suicide

[Shorty x]

salaamz.....

hope someone can help me

In my home town over the summer, a couple of young muslim lads had committed suicide, both are not connected, but similar age, 24-25,
it is a sin to commit suicide, so why do it?
it hit us pretty hard as we knew both boys who passed away

i was wondering, what happens to them, in the hereafter, do they get same treatment as everyone else?

w'salaams
shorty
xx

 

[Ibn Al Aqwa]

Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak

The Prophet said, "Whoever swears by a religion other than Islam, is, as he says; and whoever commits suicide with something, will be punished with the same thing in the (Hell) Fire; and cursing a believer is like murdering him; and whoever accuses a believer of disbelief, then it is as if he had killed him."

(Bukhari)

so in other words, lets say they drowned themselves (for example) they will drown repeatedly in the hereafter

and just to elaborate...

Narrated Abu Huraira-

The Prophet said, "He who commits suicide by throttling shall keep on throttling himself in the Hell Fire (forever) and he who commits suicide by stabbing himself shall keep on stabbing himself in the Hell-Fire."

(Bukhari)

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

subhanAllah, our local turkish masjid also informed us of two muslim youths that have recently committed suicide. Audhubillah

the sin is scary, you continue doing that which you murdered urself with infinity amount of times.

Allah help us..

 

[Shorty x]

Salaamz

Thank you,

What is someone who commits suicide is not in the right state of mind, and suffered from a mental illness, paranoya, depression etc. resulting from abusing drugs?

Is it still the same case?

w'salaamz

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^ all we can say is Allahu A'lam, if someone is not in the right state of mind then doesnt it become someone elses responsibility to take care of the person?

 

[sevgi]

i dnt know why u thought it was valid to post that...but i hope noone ever goes through such depression...it is not pretty and very hard to abate and get rid of.

i hope peace and blessings upon all my LI and other bros and siss.

salams.

 

[Re.TiReD]

:salamext:

None of you should long for death, for if he is a good man he may increase his good deeds and if he is an evildoer, he may stop the evil deeds and repent (Bukhaari)

May Allah help and guide us all. Ameen

 

[Anwarica]

When I was a kid, I didn't exert any effort to realize that suicide is non-sense .. one should ask oneself, where is he/she going eventually?

In addition, I didn't create myself to give myself the right to end my life .. thus, it's Amanah.

What is someone who commits suicide is not in the right state of mind, and suffered from a mental illness, paranoya, depression etc. resulting from abusing drugs?

Is it still the same case?

Islamic rules are executed for sane and adult personnels.

 

[bewildred]

Please help me with the following : If Allah (sws) has written everyone's death's day.... How come people commit suicide????

S.

 

[Woodrow]

Having more then a few days experience as a psychologist. I never found a case of attempted suicide in which the person would be considered legaly sane or rational. Naturally, I never interviewed anybody who succeeded at it and do not know if they died sane and in full control of their actions. However, with the attempts that I did have contact with the most common cause was clinical depression, which is a physical disease that manifests itself in depressed thinking. It is a disease easily treated if diagnose. the second largest group were those diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder. The final out come of BPD is suicide unless it is treated. Oddly most people with Bi-polar are most likely to attempt suicide while they are in an elated state than in a depressed state, they can not seem to comprehend they will not survive suicide.

Just my opinion, I believe most suicides are not by sane, rational people, although the family and those close to them may not see that the person is incapable of caring for his/her self. I just know Allah(swt) is all just and all merciful and I do not believe anybody will ever be punished without just cause. In other words only if the suicide is a deliberate controlled act, that the person understands and has the ability to stop.

 

[Khayal]

salaamz.....

hope someone can help me

In my home town over the summer, a couple of young muslim lads had committed suicide, both are not connected, but similar age, 24-25,
it is a sin to commit suicide, so why do it?
it hit us pretty hard as we knew both boys who passed away

i was wondering, what happens to them, in the hereafter, do they get same treatment as everyone else?

w'salaams
shorty
xx

​

Sister, I hope you find this article helpful. InshaAllah.​

:arabic6:​

Suicide ​

:salamext:
The confusion on what is suicide and who may be targeted in war

A small minority of Muslims (who are not in the category of those who have nullified their Islam*) misunderstand the word shaheed (martyr) when it comes to war and the act of suicide.
Muslims may engage in defensive wars and if they happen to die in this way, doing it for the sake of Allah, insha'Allah they die shaheed, and as we know, a shaheed may attain paradise.

Hadith - Sahih Bukhari 1:35, Narrated Abu Huraira

The Prophet [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]

[/FONT] said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."

Some Muslims incorrectly think that suicidal bombings during war is not suicide but an act of defensive war. They see it the same as fighting with guns or swords in a war. However, shooting in a war, one goes in with the intention NOT to die. Using oneself as a walking or flying bomb, one goes in with the intention of killing oneself (and the perceived enemy).
Sometimes a Muslim may have enough knowledge to quote the hadith in which it was said that the companions of Prophet Muhammad (saaws) would throw their bodies on top of the Prophet and were willing to take a hit for him. However, this does not mean they were intending to kill themselves! This means they were willing to perhaps take an attack to an arm or leg to prevent death to the Prophet saaws. Or that they would shield him and escort him to safety, and by shielding him, preventing the enemy from striking at that moment since the Prophet couldn't be clearly seen in the crowd. Putting oneself at risk is not the same thing as intending to do an act that would surely kill oneself!
As we know, the religion of Islam is based upon intentions, as we are judged according to our intentions. A good deed is not accepted by Allah if we have intentions other than doing it for the sake of Allah, or if it is not in accordance with Quran and Sunnah.
SUICIDAL BOMBINGS ARE AN ACT OF WAR **AND** SUICIDE and therefore haram (prohibited) since suicide (INTENTIONALLY KILLING ONESELF) is such a terrible sin with terrible consequences.
In addition, such Muslims are completely unaware of the ayat (proof) against killing women and children. Ignorance is so sad. And any haram act by any Muslim anywhere, hurts the Muslim ummah as a whole. [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Al-Muwatta 21.9 (Similar proofs in 21.8, 21.10, and 21.11) [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children. [/FONT]
Of course if any woman or child is shooting directly at you, it is permissible to act in self-defense to an immediate situation, but (unarmed) women and children cannot be an intentional target during war or any such attacks. And of course, Islam does not support women in military, but it does permit an individual woman to pick up a weapon to use in self-defense if a specific situation dictates that. The general intent is to shield women and children from the brutal fatalities of a war front altogether and to place the responsibility on the men in society to protect them.
*see http://muttaqun.com/kuf.html for a list of what disqualifies a person from being Muslim despite their claim to be Muslim, keeping in mind that Allah is the only One who knows the true status of any person as a believer or disbeliever and Allah alone knows who will enter paradise or hell. Muslims are at all different levels of faith, some committing many sins, some very little, and this should be recognized. The Muslims are one nation, a nation that must punish its own, according to the law of Quran and Sunnah, and that must pray for one another in Muslim unity.



[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Bukhari 2:445, Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Prophet

said, "Whoever intentionally swears falsely by a religion other than Islam, then he is what he has said, (e.g. if he says, 'If such thing is not true then I am a Jew,' he is really a Jew). And whoever commits suicide with piece of iron will be punished with the same piece of iron in the Hell Fire." Narrated Jundab the Prophet

said, "A man was inflicted with wounds and he committed suicide, and so Allah said: My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him."[/FONT]




[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Bukhari 7:576, Narrated Qais bin Abi Hazim[/FONT], see also Bukhari 8:361, 438

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]We went to pay a visit to Khabbab (who was sick) and he had been branded (cauterized) at seven places in his body. He said, "Our companions who died (during the lifetime of the Prophet

) left (this world) without having their rewards reduced through enjoying the pleasures of this life, but we have got (so much) wealth that we find no way to spend it except on the construction of buildings. Had the Prophet

not forbidden us to wish for death, I would have wished for it." We visited him for the second time while he was building a wall. He said, -A Muslim is rewarded (in the Hereafter) for whatever he spends except for something that he spends on building."[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Bukhari 7:670, Narrated Abu Huraira[/FONT]


[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Prophet

said, "Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever."[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Muslim #6485[/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hammam b. Munabbih said: Abu Huraira narrated to us ahadith from Allah's Messenger

and out of these one is that Allah's Messenger

said: [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]none amongst you should make a request for death, and do not call for it before it comes, for when any of you dies, he ceases (to do good) deeds and the life of a believer is not prolonged but for goodness.[/FONT]



[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Muslim #6480[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Anas (b. Malik) reported Allah's Messenger

as saying: [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]None of you should make a request for death because of the trouble in which he is involved, but if there is no other help to it, then say: O Allah, keep me alive as long as there is goodness in life for me and bring death to me when there is goodness in death for me.[/FONT]






Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #1613, Narrated Jabin ibn Abdullah [Ahmad transmitted it.]
Allah's Messenger [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]

[/FONT] said, "Do not wish for death, for the terror of the place whence one looks down is severe. It is part of a man's happiness that his life should be long and Allah Who is Great and Glorious, should supply him with repentance."



Hadith - Qudsi 28

There was amongst those before you a man who had a wound. He was in [such] anguish that he took a knife and made with it a cut in his hand, and the blood did not cease to flow till he died. Allah the Almighty said: My servant has himself forestalled Me; I have forbidden him Paradise.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]The Noble Qur'an - An-Nisa 4:29[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]...And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Ruling of Scholar of Today's Times - Sheikh Ibn 'Uthaymeen - Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 119[/FONT]


Question: What is the ruling regarding acts of jihaad by means of suicide, such as attaching explosives to a car and storming the enemy, whereby he knows without a doubt that he shall die as a result of this action?


Response: Indeed, my opinion is that he is regarded as one who has killed himself (committed suicide), and as a result he shall be punished in Hell, for that which is authenticated on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam).
[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].
However, one who is ignorant and does not know, and assumes his action was good and pleasing to Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala), then we hope Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) forgives him for that which he did out of (ignorant) ijtihaad, even though I do not find any excuse for him in the present day. This is because this type of suicide is well known and widespread amongst the people, so it is upon the person to ask the people of knowledge (scholars) regarding it, until the right guidance for him is differentiated from the error.
And from that which is surprising, is that these people kill themselves despite Allaah having fordbidden this, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

{And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allaah is Most Merciful to you},
[Soorah an-Nisaa., Aayah 29].
And many amongst them do not desire anything except revenge of the enemy, by whatever means, be it halaal or haraam. So they only want to satisfy their thirst for revenge.
We ask Allaah to bless us with foresight in His Deen and action(s) which please Him, indeed He is all Powerful over all things.


[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Ruling of Scholar of Today's Times - Shaykh Ibn 'Uthaymeen (Rahimahu 'Llah)[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]- Kayfa Nu'aalij Waaqi'unaa al-Aleem - Page 120[/FONT][/FONT]


Question: What is the ruling regarding suicide in Islaam?


Response: Suicide is when a person kills himself intentionally by whatever means. This is haraam and regarded as amongst the major sins, and likewise included in the general statement of Allaah (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala):
{And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein, and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him}, [Soorah an-Nisaa, Aayah 93].
And it is established from the Sunnah on the authority of the Prophet (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) who said:
((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)].
In reality, the one who commits suicide, generally does so because of his desperate situation, either as a direct result of an act of Allaah or a human being. So you find him unable to cope with that which has afflicted him, and in actual fact he is like one who is calling for help from the scorching heat of the fire. So he has progressed from that which was tough (bad) to that which is worse. And if he was patient, then Allaah would have assisted him in dealing with the difficulty.


[FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Ruling of Scholar of Today's Times[/FONT] - Kitaab Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) – vol. 13, p. 122
A person who has killed himself should be washed, prayed over and buried with the Muslims, because he is a sinner but he is not a kaafir. Killing oneself is a sin but it is not kufr. If he killed himself – we seek refuge with Allaah – he should be washed, shrouded and prayed over, but the khaleefah and important people should not pray for him, by way of rebuke, lest anyone think that they approve of what he did. If the khaleefah, ruler, judges, president or mayor do not pray over him in order to denounce this action and announce that it is wrong, then this is good, but some of the Muslims should still offer the (funeral) prayer for him.


The following excerpt is taken from the book, "The Inevitable Journey Part 3: Funerals - Regulations and Exhortations by Muhammad al-Jibaly.

PRAYING FOR THE SINFUL

Sinful Muslims
As stated earlier, the janazah prayer must be offered even for a faajir (a corrupt person or sinner who had indulged in disobedience and transgression), such as one who did not pray [regularly*], did not pay zakah, was an alcohol addict, used to commit zinaa, and so on. However, those who are respected for their knowledge and piety in the community should attempt not to attend, as a form of punishment and reprimand for people like him. This was the practice of the Prophet (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam), as in the hadith of Zayd Bin Khalid (in the beginning of this chapter) regarding the man who stole from the booty.
Also, Abu Qatadah (radiyAllahu 'anhu) reported that when Allah's Messenger (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) was invited to pray janazah he would inquire about the deceased. If he is praised as having been good, he (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would stand and pray for him. But is he is described as having been otherwise, he (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would tell his family, "You take care of him." And he (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) would not pray for him.
And Jabir Bin Samurah (radiyAllahu 'anhu) reported that a man fell ill, and his family wailed over him. His neighbor came to Allah's Messenger (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and told him that he died. The Prophet (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) asked him "How did you know?" The man replied, "I saw him." He (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "He did not die." So he went back and heard the wailing again. His wife said, "Go to Allah's Messenger and tell him (about the wailing)." The man said, "May Allah curse him." Then he went to his neigbor's house and found that he had cut his throat with a knife. He went to the Prophet (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) and told him that he died. He (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) again asked him, "How did you know?" He replied, "I saw him cutting his throat with a blade that he had with him." He (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) asked "You saw him do that?" He said, "Yes." The Prophet (sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said, "Then I will not pray janazah for him." (Recorded by Muslim, Abu Dawud and others)
At-Tirmithi said:
This is a good hadith. The people of knowledge have differed about this; some of them say that the Muslims should pray for everyone who faces the Qiblah in prayer, and for the one who commits suicide. This is the opinion of Sufyan at-Thawri and Ishaq. Ahmad said, 'The imam should not pray for the one who commits suicide, but other people than the imam should.'" (Sunan ut-Tirmithi)
Ibn Taymiyyah said:
"If someone refuses to pray janazah for one of those (a killer, robber, and one deep in debt), as a warning for those like him from doing similar acts - this is good. And if one refused to do that in public, but makes supplication for him in secret, thereby fulfilling both interests - this is even better." (Al-Iktiyarat p. 52)

*word inserted by Muttaqun OnLine, as those who completly abandon salat are not Muslim, and if reliable witnesses establish before the Ameer (leader) that the person had undoubtedly abandoned salat altogether, the person would not be considered Muslim and would not, of course, receive a Muslim funeral. Establishing this is harder (requires a very high burden of proof) once the person is dead, as the dead person cannot defend themself.

• [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Hadith - Related by Ahmad, Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, anNasa'i and Ibn Majah[/FONT] ​
  
  
  [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]Buraidah reported that the Prophet [FONT=Helvetica, Arial]

  

  [/FONT] said, [/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Arial]"The pact between us and them is prayer. Whoever abandons it is a disbeliever."[/FONT]​

Source.

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[syilla]

:salamext:

i don't know if anyone will agree with me on this...

But I think these days the youth are too ambitious but lack of 'humbleness' and being 'grateful'.

wassallam.

 

[north_malaysian]

My sister is working with Children Protection Society (CPS). As she has a degree in psychology, her bosses ask her to evaluate/examine the kids sheltered there. 85% of the kids there are non-Muslims.

One of her cases, there is a Chinese boy (6 year-old) who witnessed his mother hanging herself in front of him.... he doesnt talk at all since he was brought into CPS... sometimes he try to hurt himself by stabbing pencil on his legs and hands, he even try to cut his wrist with a ruler..

My sister said that his mother might attempted suicide several times before she hung herself by stabbing hands/legs or cutting wrist ... as the 6 year-old can emulated whatever he had seen.:heated:


When a person commited suicide, he/she not only destroying his/her life... but also the lives of people around him/her...

 

[syilla]

My sister is working with Children Protection Society (CPS). As she has a degree in psychology, her bosses ask her to evaluate/examine the kids sheltered there. 85% of the kids there are non-Muslims.

One of her cases, there is a Chinese boy (6 year-old) who witnessed his mother hanging herself in front of him.... he doesnt talk at all since he was brought into CPS... sometimes he try to hurt himself by stabbing pencil on his legs and hands, he even try to cut his wrist with a ruler..

My sister said that his mother might attempted suicide several times before she hung herself by stabbing hands/legs or cutting wrist ... as the 6 year-old can emulated whatever he had seen.:heated:


When a person commited suicide, he/she not only destroying his/her life... but also the lives of people around him/her...

I'm so sad when hearing about the lives of young children shattered.
The case of pedophiles, child abuse, child prostitution, orphans...
It just keep disheartening... i was reading the crimeboard the other day on child abuse.... Astaghfirullah...it is sooo sad. I just can't imagine how they are surviving in this world. But i know Allah swt is fair in His judgement.

May they are been given guidance, taufiq and hidayah. And may the children be happy in this world and hereafter.

 

[Tania]

My sister said that his mother might attempted suicide several times before she hung herself by stabbing hands/legs or cutting wrist ... as the 6 year-old can emulated whatever he had seen.:heated:


When a person commited suicide, he/she not only destroying his/her life... but also the lives of people around him/her...

Its so true We had a student who finished 2 years ago the high school and who had so many issues than the psychology of the school said he will never be able to be healthy again because of the childhood trauma (his father hung in a tree straight in front of his window).

 

[north_malaysian]

I'm so sad when hearing about the lives of young children shattered.
The case of pedophiles, child abuse, child prostitution, orphans...
It just keep disheartening... i was reading the crimeboard the other day on child abuse.... Astaghfirullah...it is sooo sad. I just can't imagine how they are surviving in this world. But i know Allah swt is fair in His judgement.

May they are been given guidance, taufiq and hidayah. And may the children be happy in this world and hereafter.

my sister live alone in Penang... because she dont want to have Iftar alone... she bring some of them to Bazaar Ramadan and have Iftar with her...

She told my mum that she want to bring all of them to our house on the first day of Eid... so we have to hide our "beef" delicacies when they come as many of those kids dont eat beef.

 

[syilla]

my sister live alone in Penang... because she dont want to have Iftar alone... she bring some of them to Bazaar Ramadan and have Iftar with her...

She told my mum that she want to bring all of them to our house on the first day of Eid... so we have to hide our "beef" delicacies when they come as many of those kids dont eat beef.

why they don't eat beefs? :?

remind me of my son who doesn't eat beef because he watched qurban last two years. He asked me back why do we have to eat beef? I don't realy know how to answer him...hew

 

[Sky_flower]

A good friend of mine committed suicide five years ago. He wasn't like one of those weird emo's "Nobody likes me blah... blah... I'm gona slit my wrist". But he was loved by all. It was just that he had a terrible childhood, and although he tried to be stonge and move on about it. He just couldn't take it anymore. So your right it is hard for people that love them, but for me and my friends we just remembered how much of great person he was, and thats all that mattered to us.

 

[north_malaysian]

why they don't eat beefs? :?

Hindus and some chinese dont eat beef. I asked my chinese friend, why some Chinese dont eat beef, do they believe it's holy as the Hindus believe.

He said, the word "cow" in Chinese has similar sound to "stupid" in Hokkien... so ... being superstitious... they dont eat beef as they afraid they would be stupid as the cows...:scared:

 

[Pk_#2]

^^ LOL

anyways erm ahh suicide. :'(

Someone answer Bewildred's question.