Crime and Punishment

[tomtomsmom]

I am very torn about this subject. I think that shariah law could work in the proper setting. I have a problem with "western law" as it is now. Example: man rapes, tourtures, and murders 5 women and gets the death penalty. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it. Yet he sits on deathrow (with us paying for it) for years as he goes through the appeal process. Then we spend almost a million dollars to kill him humanely!!!! WHAT!!!!! There was no humanity in what he did so why does he deserve a sterile needle? I say, go to the hardware store and spend $5 on a rope. It is much more economical and it is "green" because it is reusable!!!!!!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

btw, When did you become expert on christianity?


The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus and the swine, as he divideth the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you. Leviticus chapter 11 verse 7 and 8:

And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass. Deuteronomy chapter 14 verse 8:


A similar prohibition is repeated in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

Yeah, but Jesus, who came after Moses and Isaiah, changed the rules.kay:

 

[believer]

OK, So from this I believe you agree that adultery should not be treated as a criminal prosecution, but as a civil matter (the wife can sue for divorce in family court). Great, no problems then.

Thanks.

Not from the perspective that it is breaking a partnership law...

But yes on the perspective of criminal law... somebody trespassed into your very private garden. he even left some waste product in it. Yes problems of course. A wife and a husband becomes a conjugal property of both parties... that's why they are regarding as a couple... spouses... they are considered as one entity... an institution. In this premise, they become one sacred entity which must be guarded to keep their sanctity, fidelity and purity to each one. This is also healthy for the children... having an morally upright parents will provide a strong moral foundation for the children... which makes up the whole society and country... therefore, looking at marriage as merely just a partnership alone is to ignore it's sanctity. When a violation is made on something sacred... then it should not be treated lightly... however, Islam only has a set of prescribed punishments... it didn't say it's absolute orders... therefore, one can avail of it for his own good or not... for his own detriment in the afterlife.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

btw, When did you become expert on christianity?

Dunno

 

[believer]

I am very torn about this subject. I think that shariah law could work in the proper setting. I have a problem with "western law" as it is now. Example: man rapes, tourtures, and murders 5 women and gets the death penalty. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it. Yet he sits on deathrow (with us paying for it) for years as he goes through the appeal process. Then we spend almost a million dollars to kill him humanely!!!! WHAT!!!!! There was no humanity in what he did so why does he deserve a sterile needle? I say, go to the hardware store and spend $5 on a rope. It is much more economical and it is "green" because it is reusable!!!!!!

I fully agree!!! In fact... he doesn't even deserve the publicity.... and the books they will be writing about it... perhaps even a segment feature in Oprah.... Why is Hollywood glorifying criminals???

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I fully agree!!! In fact... he doesn't even deserve the publicity.... and the books they will be writing about it... perhaps even a segment feature in Oprah.... Why is Hollywood glorifying criminals???

:haha::haha::haha:

 

[islamirama]

I am very torn about this subject. I think that shariah law could work in the proper setting. I have a problem with "western law" as it is now. Example: man rapes, tourtures, and murders 5 women and gets the death penalty. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it. Yet he sits on deathrow (with us paying for it) for years as he goes through the appeal process. Then we spend almost a million dollars to kill him humanely!!!! WHAT!!!!! There was no humanity in what he did so why does he deserve a sterile needle? I say, go to the hardware store and spend $5 on a rope. It is much more economical and it is "green" because it is reusable!!!!!!

How about the fact that the cops didn't follow some procedures and forgot the warrant or some other issue and a murder, rapist, pedophile walks free. There was even a case of police opening the car trunk without permission and found a dead woman body in it but the man walked cuz the cop didn't seek permission or had warrant to look. I like asian countries in this aspect, there is no blind justice there. If they law fails and its quite clear of what the criminal did, then he gets public justice

 

[tomtomsmom]

How about the fact that the cops didn't follow some procedures and forgot the warrant or some other issue and a murder, rapist, pedophile walks free. There was even a case of police opening the car trunk without permission and found a dead woman body in it but the man walked cuz the cop didn't seek permission or had warrant to look. I like asian countries in this aspect, there is no blind justice there. If they law fails and its quite clear of what the criminal did, then he gets public justice

I know!!!!! It makes me so mad I throw things at the TV when I see stuff like this on the news.

Although we have you on video tape beating your kid to death we are gonna let you go because the arresting officer hit you in the back of the head with a rolled up newspaper!


What kind of crap is that!!!!!!:raging::enough!::raging::enough!:

 

[islamirama]

I know!!!!! It makes me so mad I throw things at the TV when I see stuff like this on the news.

Although we have you on video tape beating your kid to death we are gonna let you go because the arresting officer hit you in the back of the head with a rolled up newspaper!


What kind of crap is that!!!!!!:raging::enough!::raging::enough!:

yea you wouldn't see that fly in asia, be it a muslim or non-Muslim nation. The public is pretty good at taking care of such filth.

 

[Qingu]

You can spit in th streets all you want in (lets say USA) but if you do it in Singapore, then you get cained. You respect and obey the laws of the land you are in or face the punishment, it's that simple.

Do you think it should be illegal to spit on the streets? I don't, that's silly.

Do you think it should be illegal to say that Vishnu and Shiva are figments of people's imaginations? I don't.

Do you think it should be illegal to say that Allah is a figment of people's imagination? If your answer is "yes," please explain why we can't say this about one deity and not about other deities.

Muslim world was ruled by Shariah law thru out history upto when monarchy came.

A caliphate is a form of monarchy.

Are you saying that all Muslim societies before Ibn Saud's takeover of the Arabian peninsula were happy wonderlands under Shariah law? I seem to recall that most were plagued by fitna for most of their history and I fail to see how Ibn Saud changed much of anything.

Saudia Arabia is shariah law based (some what) and somalia was starting to thrive under shariah law of the courts before ethiopia and US bombed them to stop such an "evil thing" to continue and show the world it can solve your problems.

You're blaming the lack of Shariah law (TM) on the United States now? Why am I not surprised, of course all problems in the Muslim world are the West's fault.

It's too bad for you that the United States was established only 300 years ago and not 1300 years ago. Otherwise you could find a way to blame America for Uthman's assassination. Perhaps it was American time travellers? Or maybe it was the Jews.

i think it would be prudent for you to visit this site below to clear any myths and misconceptions you hold on this topic.

Is there anything particular on there you'd like to discuss? I generally don't appreciate it when people link to websites to make discussion for them.

 

[Qingu]

While the punishments and the law in general is strict, what is wrong with having a good moral code to live by? Sure I cuss, I have had sex with many women, I drink from time to time, I used to eat pig, and the list goes on and on of the things that I have done in my life that could and should be considered immoral, however imagine a country that enforced "rules" against these things. What would be wrong with living your life righteously? What would be wrong with not cussing, or having sex with as many people as you can before marriage? What would be wrong with capital punishment on a wife or husband that commits adultry? IF my wife ever cheated on me I would feel as though she carried out capital punishment on me, so why shouldnt she be punished? Imagine if every pedophile knew that should he get caught in such a dispicable act he would have his genitals removed and a second perpetration would cost his life, I can guarantee the cowards wouldnt carry their acts out in great numbers like they do all over the world today. Imagine if murder was automatic death penalty, rather than 25 yrs, people would think twice before they went shooting up a neighborhood or a liquor store (or a gas station if the liquor store didnt exist).

Really? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that stricter punishments cause less crime?

Capital punishment was common throughout the middle ages and rennaissance, but the crime rate seems to have been just as high then as it is now, if not higher.

In the United States today, many states with the death penalty have higher violent crime rates than states that do not.

For that matter, crime is pretty common in Muslim countries today with strict laws.

There are downsides and upsides to everything, perhaps instead of trying to pick at the worst of each others way of life, it would be more beneficial to our entire race to find a common ground to integrate the two, filter the negative aspects, and become a more powerful, intelligent and peaceful people than we are today.

I agree, but this is only possible if people are willing to admit their ideology is flawed. I think most Westerners will readily admit that our legal system has flaws and there is much room for improvement. I haven't met a Muslim yet who is willing to admit this about Shariah law.

Ultimately, this is the key difference between a "progressive" society and a "traditional" society, and goes a long way towards explaining all kinds of differences between the two.

 

[جوري]

I'd hate to interject a good duologue between good members... you may certainly do a random search on thefts committed in saudi Arabia compared to that in the U.S.. I am sure the numbers will astound you..

To me it isn't a matter of setting an example to others or minifying the crime rate.. chances are if you are a criminal by nature.. and there are people who are professional at it, you'll committ your crime in the canary islands or in central Honshu... It is more of 'properly deserved' outcome to a crime..

So No even if I were to not have the expectation of lesser crimes.. I simply would be happy knowing someone who murdered in vain will receive an equally capital punishment..
I really don't see the point of feeding a criminal off tax payers money and giving them a roof on their head.. I mean for the love of God, there are children roaming the world who don't even have that and they are guilty of nothing!

as for progressive or traditional.. I'll pass that as again.. you are simply not studied in sharia law and passing a random opinion.. no harm in that, but I certainly wouldn't make a sweeping 'explaining ALL' kinds of differences.. in fact I'd refrain from using absolute terms in general, not just for the purposes of this discussion.. with that said, I'll take myself out of this gracefully... do carry on gents!

 

[MTAFFI]

Really? Do you have any evidence whatsoever that stricter punishments cause less crime?

Do you have evidence it doesnt? I can say that the US jails are among the most crowded in the world. I would also say that many (probably over 50%, and that is a low guess) are repeat offenders. So my question would be how can a stricter punishment not be at least a little more effective, when the punishment we are currently inflicting is obviously have very little effect

Capital punishment was common throughout the middle ages and rennaissance, but the crime rate seems to have been just as high then as it is now, if not higher.

Really? Do you have a link to show the number of violent crimes committed in the middle ages? Who was that was keeping track of that, the Middle Age Bureau of Statistics of Violent Crime? LOL, I am just kidding

Seriously though, IF crime were as high back in the middle ages, I am sure that a majority of it may have had to do with the fact that forensics werent nearly what they are today, if they were existent at all beyond finding the killers belonging at the scene of the crime. Basically what I am saying is, people then could get away with things easier and IF the crime were as high, that is why,

In the United States today, many states with the death penalty have higher violent crime rates than states that do not.

I did not know that, could you provide a link as proof? Also, I would like to add that not all violent crime is punishable by death, and violent crime could include, rape, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder, etc. A criminal commiting these acts would recieve 10 years max, which may be a good break from their pitiful life, under Shariah the punishment would be much more severe and a person commiting such a crime may well think twice before putting his own life on the line or putting his back out for whatever the number of lashings may be.... Also, from what I have looked at about the states with the death penalty, look at the number of people on death row in those states, it isnt like it is being carried out on every murderer, like it should, if the punishment is unlikely to be carried out, I wouldnt think many would be scared of it.

For that matter, crime is pretty common in Muslim countries today with strict laws.

There is no Muslim country that institutes Shariah law, also I would add to that, that it is not fair to call Middle Eastern countries Muslim, I prefer Arab, because even though the overwhelming majority of the people there may be born Muslim, it doesnt mean they are practicing Muslims, and a non practicing Muslim wouldnt live by the rules of the Quran, which would lead to crime, etc. Dont judge Islam by the actions of the Arabs, judge Islam by the Quran and what it really stands for.

I agree, but this is only possible if people are willing to admit their ideology is flawed. I think most Westerners will readily admit that our legal system has flaws and there is much room for improvement. I haven't met a Muslim yet who is willing to admit this about Shariah law.

Ultimately, this is the key difference between a "progressive" society and a "traditional" society, and goes a long way towards explaining all kinds of differences between the two.

I agree with this, I dont really find many Muslims that think Shariah is in any way flawed. In my opinion, (and I know islamirama) already refuted me about this, but we all know you couldnt have a pagan or an atheist in an Islamic state, they would be killed, and this in my opinion is wrong, but then who am I to refute the Quran, but in my opinion as a man, I dont think it is right in todays time.

 

[islamirama]

Is there anything particular on there you'd like to discuss? I generally don't appreciate it when people link to websites to make discussion for them.

I won't bother replying to your other remarks and waste my time. I'll just say this in regards to above and just over all. The links are given so ignorant people like you can go educate yourself first then come back and have an intelligent discussion, and so we don't waste our time correcting the lies and misinformation you have taken as fact from other's mouth rather then go open up a book and educate yourself by real facts.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Hey, Islamirama. I would like to hear your responce to this question. Please, answer it.:sunny:

Do you think it should be illegal to say that Vishnu and Shiva are figments of people's imaginations? I don't.

Do you think it should be illegal to say that Allah is a figment of people's imagination? If your answer is "yes," please explain why we can't say this about one deity and not about other deities.

 

[Isambard]

I'd hate to interject a good duologue between good members... you may certainly do a random search on thefts committed in saudi Arabia compared to that in the U.S.. I am sure the numbers will astound you..

To me it isn't a matter of setting an example to others or minifying the crime rate.. chances are if you are a criminal by nature.. and there are people who are professional at it, you'll committ your crime in the canary islands or in central Honshu... It is more of 'properly deserved' outcome to a crime..

So No even if I were to not have the expectation of lesser crimes.. I simply would be happy knowing someone who murdered in vain will receive an equally capital punishment..
I really don't see the point of feeding a criminal off tax payers money and giving them a roof on their head.. I mean for the love of God, there are children roaming the world who don't even have that and they are guilty of nothing!

as for progressive or traditional.. I'll pass that as again.. you are simply not studied in sharia law and passing a random opinion.. no harm in that, but I certainly wouldn't make a sweeping 'explaining ALL' kinds of differences.. in fact I'd refrain from using absolute terms in general, not just for the purposes of this discussion.. with that said, I'll take myself out of this gracefully... do carry on gents!

Actually, it costs more to give a person in the US the death penalty then it does to keep them in prison for the rest of their life.

Thnx of course to appeals, hearings, lawyers, etc.

 

[جوري]

^^ too bad they make it so complicated? frankly I think justice should be swift.. I don't think people protest for the victim or shed as many tears for the deceased or raise as much controversy and protest as they do for the defendants...it makes you shrug your shoulders in wonderment... did we really need all that sensationalism for the BTK killer or Jeffrey Dahmer?

waste of everyone's time and money! another reason sharia law should be implemented.. I have always enjoyed the adage ' don't do the crime if you can't do the time' ..

btw it would be interesting to note, though I despise wikipedia but look at the very notable difference between crimes in the U.S and other countries.. and pls don't mention size to me since Russia and China are quite sizeable! and England that speck of an island to be producing so many criminals.. they'll run off places to send their convicts too even with all their colonizing!

List of serial killers by country
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1.1 Argentina
1.2 Australia
1.3 Austria
1.4 Belgium
1.5 Canada
1.6 China
1.7 Colombia
1.8 Czech Republic
1.9 Denmark
1.10 Ecuador
1.11 Finland
1.12 France
1.13 Germany
1.14 Ghana
1.15 Hong Kong
1.16 Hungary
1.17 India
1.18 Indonesia
1.19 Iran
1.20 Israel
1.21 Italy
1.22 Japan
1.23 Kazakhstan
1.24 Latvia
1.25 Mexico
1.26 Netherlands
1.27 Norway
1.28 Pakistan
1.29 Poland
1.30 Portugal
1.31 Romania
1.32 Russia
1.33 Slovenia
1.34 South Africa
1.35 South Korea
1.36 Sweden
1.37 UK
1.38 Ukraine
1.39 USA
2 Unidentified serial killers
3 See also
4 References


[edit] Argentina
Cayetano Santos Godino - aka Petiso Orejudo; killed four individuals before he turned 17
Robledo Puch - aka The Death Angel or The Black Angel; killed eleven individuals

[edit] Australia
Eric Edgar Cooke - killed at least seven people; last person to be hanged in Western Australia
Paul Denyer - aka Frankston Serial Killer
Peter Dupas - serving two life sentences for multiple murder and rape charges
Leonard Fraser - convicted of killing three people in Rockhampton, Queensland
John Wayne Glover - aka North Shore Granny Killer; found dead in his cell in 2005
Caroline Grills - aka Auntie Thally; serial posioner of at least four family members
Eddie Leonski - aka Brownout Murderer; killed at least four people
William MacDonald - aka the Sydney Mutilator
Ivan Milat - aka Backpack Murderer; killed at least seven tourists
James Miller - the Truro murders; convicted of killing six victims
The Snowtown murders (John Justin Bunting, Robert Joe Wagner, Mark Ray Haydon, James Spyridon Vlassakis, Elizabeth Harvey, Thomas Trevilyan) - convicted of, or in relation to, killing ten victims
Christopher Worrell - the Truro murders; killed seven victims

[edit] Austria
Elfriede Blauensteiner - poisoner of three individuals
Irene Leidolf - Angel of Death who, with three other nurses confessed to murdering 49 patients
Jack Unterweger - author and sexual sadist; convicted of ten murders; believed to have killed 12 women

[edit] Belgium
Marc Dutroux - child molester and killer
András Pándy - family-murderer

[edit] Canada
Paul Bernardo - aka the Scarborough Rapist; Ontario man who killed three teenage girls (including his wife's sister) with the aid of his wife Karla Homolka
William Patrick Fyfe - convicted of murdering five women; confessed to killing four more individuals in Quebec
Russell Johnson - killer of seven women; confined to a mental institution since 1978
Gilbert Paul Jordan - Killed between eight and ten women, by alcohol poisoning
Allan Legere - aka Monster of Miramichi; killer of five individuals
Michael Wayne McGray - convicted of the murders of four individuals; confessed to killing sixteen
Clifford Olson - murdered 11 children in British Columbia
Peter Woodcock - murdered three children in 1956 and 1957 and a fellow psychiatric institute patient in 1991

[edit] China
Hu Wanlin - a self-styled "doctor" who practiced the traditional medical art of qigong -- a deep-breathing technique dating back 5,000 years -- was arrested for killing between 100 to 190 patients
Yang Xinhai - confessed to killing 65 individuals; executed in 2004

[edit] Colombia
Luis Garavito - Admitted to killing and raping 172 persons (also killed victims in Ecuador)
Pedro López - aka The Monster of the Andes; apocryphal with 300 alleged victims (also killed victims in Ecuador)

[edit] Czech Republic
Václav Mrázek - convicted of the murders of seven women; executed in 1957

[edit] Denmark
Dagmar Overbye - childcare provider who killed between nine and fifteen children; sentenced to death in 1921 then reprieved

[edit] Ecuador
Daniel Barbosa - aka The Beast Of The Andes; apocryphal, with 71 alleged victims

[edit] Finland
Antti Taskinen - poisoner of three men; sentenced to life imprisonment

[edit] France
Marie-Madeleine-Marguerite d'Aubray, Marquise de Brinvilliers - French poisoner; executed in 1676
Michel Fourniret - confessed to nine murders; allegedly killed ten more
Hélène Jegado - domestic servant who poisoned at least 23 people between 1833 and 1851; executed in 1852
Henri Désiré Landru - killed 11 people; inspired the character of Monsieur Verdoux played by Charlie Chaplin
Émile Louis - preyed on young handicapped women
Thierry Paulin - aka the Beast of Montmartre; preyed on the elderly in the 1980s
Marcel Petiot - doctor who killed 63 would-be refugees from the Nazis; executed in 1946
Gilles de Rais - 15th century demonolator and child-killer
Joseph Vacher - aka The French Ripper; 19th century serial killer of 11 individuals

[edit] Germany
Jürgen Bartsch - killed four, one escaped; died by wrongful overdose during castration surgery
Karl Denke - cannibal; allegedly killed 30 people
Volker Eckert - he is accused of 19 murders between 1974 and 2006
Karl Grossmann - killed women and sold their flesh on the black market
Fritz Haarmann - preyed on young men and boys; executed in 1925
Fritz Honka - murdered four women in Hamburg and kept the bodies in his apartment
Joachim Kroll - claimed 13 victims over three decades
Peter Kürten - the Vampire of Düsseldorf; executed in 1932
Stephan Letter - Male nurse who killed 29 patients; was arrested in 2006
Bruno Lüdke - killed at least 51 individuals beginning in 1928; executed in 1944
Peter Stumpp - self-proclaimed werewolf who killed 16 people during the 1500s
Anna Maria Zwanziger - Bavarian poisoner, killer of four individuals; executed in 1811

[edit] Ghana
Charles Quansah - convicted of the strangulation deaths of nine women in Accra, suspected of killing 34; sentenced to death in 2003

[edit] Hong Kong
Lam Kor-wan - sexual sadist who murdered and dismembered four women in the 1980s; sentenced to life imprisonment

[edit] Hungary
The Angel Makers of Nagyrév - Hungarian poisoners thought to have killed as many as 300 people
Erzsébet Báthory - countess who killed servant girls; rumored to have killed more than 600
Béla Kiss - murdered at least 24 women; escaped justice in the confusion of World War I
Sylvestre Matuschka - aka the Train Killer; derailed trains for sexual gratification

[edit] India
Thug Behram - leader of a gang of Thugs in Avadh, India, who confessed to participating in 931 individual murders and to having personally strangled approximately 125 men
Raman Raghav - killed street urchins and others in their sleep
Auto Shankar - auto rickshaw driver who preyed on teenage girls
Charles Sobhraj - preyed on Western tourists in Southeast Asia in the 1970s

[edit] Indonesia
Ahmad Suradji - a serial killer who admitted to killing 42 women

[edit] Iran
Mohammed Bijeh - aka the Tehran Desert Vampire; killed at least 16 young boys near Tehran, Iran; executed in 2005
Saeed Hanaei - aka The Spider Killer; killed at least 16 women around Mashhad, Iran; executed in 2002

[edit] Israel
Nicolai Bonner - killed four people in 2005 in Haifa, Israel; most victims were homeless

[edit] Italy
Luigi Chiatti - aka the Monster of Foligno; victims were children
Leonarda Cianciulli - aka Soap-Maker of Correggio; murderess of three women
Locusta - Roman poisoner; thought to be the world's first documented serial killer
Pietro Pacciani - aka the Monster of Florence; victims were young couples
Roberto Succo - murdered at least five individuals, including his parents

[edit] Japan
Hiroshi Maeue - lured people from suicide clubs promising to kill himself with his victims
Futoshi Matsunaga and Junko Ogata - killed at least seven people between 1996 and 1998, including Junko's family.
Tsutomu Miyazaki - aka The Otaku Murderer, The Little Girl Murderer, and Dracula; killed four preschool-age Japanese girls and ate two of them

[edit] Kazakhstan
Nikolai Dzhumagaliev - aka Metal Fang; cannibal and rapist thought to have killed nearly 50 individuals

[edit] Latvia
Kaspars Petrovs - convicted of murdering 13 elderly Riga women in 2005; confessed to killing 38

[edit] Mexico
Sara Aldrete - aka La Madrina; associate of cult-leader Adolfo Costanzo who took part in ritual serial slayings
Juana Barraza Samperio - aka Mataviejitas ("Old Lady Killer"); operated within the metropolitan area of Mexico City until January 25, 2006
Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo - aka The Godfather of Matamoros; serial killer and cult leader in Mexico
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales - aka Las Poquianchis; killed a total of 91; arrested and sentenced in 1964
Raúl Osiel Marroquín - aka El Sádico; killed four male homosexuals in Mexico City.
Abdul Latif Sharif - Egyptian alleged to be responsible for dozens of murders in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico

[edit] Netherlands
Lucia de Berk - nurse, convicted of killing at least seven and attempting three murders in the 2000s and probably more.
Maria Swanenburg - killed 27 with arsenic in the 1880s

[edit] Norway
Arnfinn Nesset - Geriatric assistant nurse who poisoned 22 dwellers at the institution "Orkdal alders - og sjukeheim" over a period of some years before being convicted in 1984

[edit] Pakistan
Javed Iqbal - believed to have killed a hundred boys

[edit] Poland
Julian Koltun - raped and murdered women in eastern Poland
Zdzisław Marchwicki - aka Zagłębie Vampire; convicted of murdering 14 women; executed in 1976
Władysław Mazurkiewicz - aka The Gentleman Killer; killed up to 30 women
Stanisław Modzelewski - murdered seven women in Łódź during the 1960s; executed in 1970
Leszek Pękalski - aka the Vampire of Bytów; killed up to 17 women
Łucjan Staniak - aka The Red Spider and The Red Ripper; killed up to 20 women

[edit] Portugal
António Luís Costa - allegedly killed three young women; convicted but will appeal

[edit] Romania
Vera Renczi - poisoned two husbands, one son and 32 of her suitors in the 1920s and 1930s
Ion Rîmaru - murdered and raped young women in Bucharest from 1970 to 1971; executed in 1971

[edit] Russia
Andrei Chikatilo - aka The Rostov Ripper and Hannibal Lecter ; killed 52 women and children throughout the many countries of the former Soviet Union before being arrested, convicted, and executed in 1994
Darya Saltykova - 18th century Countess who torutured and killed serfs on her estate
Sasha Spesivtsev - cannibal convicted in the murders of nineteen women

[edit] Slovenia
Silvo Plut - killed three women, committed suicide in prison in 2007
Metod Trobec - raped and killed at least five women, committed suicide in prison in 2006

[edit] South Africa
Daisy de Melker - poisoner; killed two husbands and one son; executed in 1932
Cedric Maake - aka the Wemmer Pan Killer; murdered at least 27 people. Also serial rapist
Moses Sithole - believed to have killed at least 38 young women

[edit] South Korea
Yoo Young-chul - killed and ate about 20 people, mainly rich elderly men and prostitutes

[edit] Sweden
Thomas Quick - child molester and alleged serial killer

[edit] UK
John Bodkin Adams - doctor acquitted of one murder in 1957 but according to police archives, the likely killer of at least 163 of his patients
Beverly Allitt - an Angel of Death; paediatric nurse who killed four patients and injured at least nine others, convicted in 1991
Robert Black - Scottish schoolgirl killer; convicted of three murders, suspected of many more
Ian Brady and Myra Hindley - aka Moors Murderers - murdered 5 children, aged between 10 and 17 years old, and buried them on Saddleworth Moor.
George Chapman - poisoned three women, suspected by some authors of being Jack the Ripper
John Childs - murdered six individuals; jailed 1980
Robert George Clements - doctor who murdered one wife but committed suicide before being arrested. Three previous wives died in suspicious circumstances and he signed their death certificates
John Christie - aka The Necrophile who killed 7 women (including his wife) and disputably 1 infant between 1943 and 1953 and hid them in his house and garden at 10 Rillington Place, Notting Hill, London. Hanged in 1953
Mary Ann Cotton - British Victorian killer, said to have taken more than 20 victims
Thomas Neill Cream - aka Lambeth Poisoner, began his killing spree in the US then moved to London. Hanged 1892
Amelia Dyer - murdered infants in her care; executed in 1896
Bruce George Peter Lee - aka the Hull Arsonist was convicted of 26 charges of manslaughter in 1981
Kenneth Erskine - aka Stockwell Strangler; jailed in 1988 for murdering seven pensioners
John George Haigh - aka the Acid Bath Murderer and the Vampire of London. Active in England during the 1940s. Was convicted of 6 murders, but claimed to have killed 9. Executed in 1949
Anthony Hardy - aka the Camden Ripper; convicted of three murders; suspected of at least four
Colin Ireland - aka Gay Slayer; killed five victims in the early 1990s
Michael Lupo - aka Wolf Man; convicted of four murders and the attempted murder of two others
Patrick Mackay - confessed to killing 11 people
Robert Maudsley - killer of four; killed three in prison
Peter Moore - businessman who killed men at random in Wales
Donald Neilson - aka Black Panther; killed four people including heiress Lesley Whittle
Dennis Nilsen - killer of 15 (possibly 16) men between 1978 and 1983
William Palmer - aka The Rugeley Poisoner
Mark Rowntree - 19 year old who killed four people at random
Harold Shipman - doctor convicted of 15 murders; a later inquiry stated he had killed at least 215 and possibly up to 457 people over a 25 year period
George Joseph Smith - aka The Brides in the Bath killer
John Straffen - child-killer and Britain's longest serving prisoner
Peter Sutcliffe - aka the Yorkshire Ripper; convicted in 1981 of the murders of 13 women and the attacks on 7 more from 1975 to 1980
Fred West and Rosemary West - aka House of Horrors murderers in Gloucester. They are believed to have tortured and murdered at least 12 young women between 1967 and 1987, many at the couple's home in Gloucester, England. He committed suicide in 1995 while awaiting trial for murder
Graham Frederick Young - aka The Teacup Poisoner; killed three individuals from 1962 to 1971

[edit] Ukraine
Anatoly Onoprienko - aka The Terminator; murdered 52 people from 1989 until his capture in 1996

[edit] USA
Charles Albright - killer of three; known for surgically removing the eyes of victims
Richard Angelo - aka The Angel of Death; nurse
Joe Ball - aka The Alligator Man, killed at least 20 women in the early 20th century in Texas
Velma Barfield - North Carolina poisoner of five individuals; executed in 1984
Martha Jule Beck - one of the Lonely Hearts Killers, along with Raymond Fernandez, killed at least three women and one child in the 1940s.
David Berkowitz - aka Son of Sam and The .44 Caliber Killer
Bloody Benders - a family who killed guests of their inn in Labette County, Kansas, in 1872
Robert 'Bob' Berdella - convicted of killing six men in 1988 in Kansas City, Missouri, undoubtedly killed others, sexually tortured and dismembered his victims
Kenneth Bianchi - Californian who with his cousin Angelo Buono were the Hillside Stranglers
William Bonin - aka The Freeway Killer; with several accomplices, claimed the lives of 20 boys in California
Robert Charles Browne - Convicted of two murders in Colorado, but says he has killed 48, some of which have been corroborated.
Jerry Brudos - aka The Shoe-Fetish Slayer, killed at least five women
Ted Bundy - aka The Campus Killer, Lady Killer and Chi Omega Killer; law student who raped and murdered more than 30 women in several states
Angelo Buono, Jr. - Californian who with his cousin Kenneth Bianchi were the Hillside Stranglers
Dean Carter - murdered at least four women
Richard Chase - aka the Vampire of Sacramento murdered six people in the '70s
Dean Corll - aka The Candy Man; committed the Houston Mass Murders with Elmer Wayne Henley and David Brooks
Juan Vallejo Corona - Killed 25 people in the space of just six weeks
Charles Cullen - nurse in New Jersey and Pennsylvania who killed as many as 40 patients through lethal injection
Jeffrey Dahmer - Milwaukee cannibal who kept heads, skulls and body parts in his apartment
Albert DeSalvo - aka The Boston Strangler
Westley Allan Dodd - child molester and killer of three young boys in Vancouver, Washington; hanged on January 5, 1993
Nannie Doss - aka The Giggling Granny; serial poisoner who killed four husbands, two children, her two sisters, her mother, a grandson and a nephew.
Mack Ray Edwards confessed to the murders of six children in Los Angeles County between 1953 and 1969.
Raymond Fernandez - one of the Lonely Hearts Killers, along with Martha Jule Beck.
Albert Fish - aka The Cannibal, The Moon Maniac and The Werewolf of Wisteria; sadist and pedophile who cannibalized several children
Wayne Adam Ford - aka Wayward Wayne; confessed to murdering four women, believed to have killed others
Joseph Paul Franklin - racist serial killer who targeted interracial couples and attempted to assassinate Larry Flynt and Vernon Jordan
John Wayne Gacy - aka the Killer Clown; killer of at least 33 men and boys who kept bodies buried under his Chicago home
Carlton Gary - Georgia murderer convicted of the murders of seven elderly women
Donald Henry "Pee Wee" Gaskins - aka the Meanest Man in America; Gaskins, executed on September 6, 1991, confessed to over 200 murders.
Ed Gein - two known victims, one suspected victim, four missing persons; elements of Gein's life and crimes have inspired, at least in part Psycho, The Silence of the Lambs and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Janie Lou Gibbs - Georgia poisoner who killed her three sons, a grandson, and her husband
Kristen Gilbert - Angel of Death serial killer, convicted of killing four by injection of epinephrine while working as a nurse
Harvey Murray Glatman - Californian rapist and killer of three women; lured women to pose for "bondage photographs" and would rape and murder them.
Jeffrey Gorton - convicted of two rape-murders in Michigan, suspected of more
Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Michigan duo who murdered five elderly nursing home residents in their care
Belle Gunness - murder-for-profit killer who murdered her suitors and her own children in Indiana
Robert Hansen - Alaskan baker who killed prostitutes at his cabin
Donald Harvey - aka Angel of Death; hospital orderly, confessed to more than 80 "mercy killings" with 37 confirmed killings
Gary M. Heidnik - kept sex slaves in his basement and killed two of them
H. H. Holmes - active 1890-1894 during Chicago's 1893 World's Columbian Exposition
Waneta Hoyt - murdered her five children
Philip Carl Jablonski - killed at least four women in Utah
Vincent Johnson - aka the Brooklyn Strangler; a homeless crack addict who killed at least five prostitutes
Genene Jones - Texas pediatric nurse who poisoned infants in her care
Patrick Kearney - necrophile who killed 28 men in California
Edmund Kemper - started killing when he was aged fifteen in Santa Cruz, CA
Sante Kimes - grifter and murder-for-profit killer who, along with her son Kenneth Kimes, is believed to have killed upwards of four people
Paul John Knowles - raped and murdered 18 people
Randy Steven Kraft - murdered as many as 68 young men in California
Peter Kudzinowski - killed children in New Jersey in the 1920s
Richard "Iceman" Kuklinski - professional hit man by trade with a serial killer passion on the side
Leonard Lake and Charles Ng - ex-marines and survivalists who collected female slaves
Derrick Todd Lee - aka the Baton Rouge Serial Killer
Eddie Leonski - aka the Brownout Strangler
Henry Lee Lucas - confessed to hundreds of murders, although most confessions were false
Rhonda Belle Martin - Alabama poisoner who murdered six family members, suspected of poisoninng at least nine; executed in 1957
John Allen Muhammad - Washington D.C. area sniper
Herbert Mullin - schizophrenic in Santa Cruz, CA who killed people to prevent earthquakes
Earle Nelson - aka Gorilla Man; necrophiliac serial killer
Carl Panzram - murderer, rapist, arsonist; executed in 1930
Jesse Pomeroy - teenaged psychopath who killed two children
Dorothea Puente - killed and robbed nine elderly boarders
Dennis Rader - aka the BTK Killer; killed 10 people over 20 years
Richard Ramirez - aka the Night Stalker; terrorized Los Angeles in 1984 and 1985
Ángel Maturino Reséndiz - killed nine people in Texas, Kentucky, and Illinois
Bruce Mendenhall - aka The Truck Stop Killer
Gary Ridgway - aka The Green River Killer; convicted of murdering 58 women in the state of Washington
Ripper Crew - a satanic cult composed of Robin Gecht, Edward Spreitzer, and brothers Andrew and Thomas Kokoraleis, murdered women and ate their breasts.
Joel Rifkin - murdered 17 women in the New York City and Long Island area
John Edward Robinson - aka the Cyber Sex Killer; lured victims through the internet
Danny Rolling - pleaded guilty to murdering five students in Florida
Michael Ross - raped and murdered seven women in Connecticut
Efren Saldivar - respiratory therapist who killed six patients, and possibly as many as 120
Altemio Sanchez - aka the Bike Path Rapist/killer who was responsible for three murders and numerous rapes spanning over a 25 year period in Buffalo, New York. He is currently serving three consecutive 75 years-to-life sentences for the murders.
Gerard John Schaefer - aka The Killer Cop and The Florida Sex Beast; police officer who killed up to 34 women and girls
Tommy Lynn Sells - admitted to murdering dozens of people from all over the USA, possibly in excess of 70
Arthur Shawcross - aka the Genesee River Killer
Lemuel Smith - confessed to the murders of five people, including that of an on-duty female prison-guard
Morris Solomon Jr. - handyman killed six young women between 1986 and 1987 in a Sacramento, California, neighborhood
Gerald Stano - convicted murderer of 41 women; executed in 1998
Cary Stayner - aka the Yosemite Murderer who killed four women
Michael Swango - physician and surgeon who poisoned over 30 of his patients and colleagues
William Suff - aka the Riverside Killer who killed up to 19 women near Riverside, California
Marybeth Tinning - New York woman who poisoned nine of her children
Ottis Toole - Henry Lee Lucas's accomplice; convicted of six murders in Florida
Chester Dwayne Turner - murderer of women in Los Angeles, California
Henry Louis Wallace- Charlotte, North Carolina, serial killer of at least nine young women over a two year period from 1992 to 1994
Coral Eugene Watts - aka The Sunday Morning Slasher; killed dozens of women in Texas and Michigan
Wayne Williams - aka the Atlanta Child Murderer; convicted of two (and believed responsible for more) of the murders of more than twenty children in Atlanta, Georgia
Randall Woodfield - aka the I-5 Killer
Aileen Wuornos - shot six men dead in Florida; executed in 2002
Robert Lee Yates - murdered at least 13 women in Spokane County, Washington

[edit] Unidentified serial killers
The Alphabet Killer (USA)
The Axeman of New Orleans (USA)
The Servant Girl Annihilator, aka the Austin Axe Murderer (USA)
The Baseline Killer (USA) - One man has been charged with 9 murders attributed to the Baseline Killer
Bible John (UK)
The Cincinnati Strangler (USA) - Although presumed by many to be Posteal Laskey, who was convicted of a strangling during a rash of stranglings, there was a lack of evidence linking him to the other victims of the Cincinnati Strangler, though the stranglings stopped after his arrest and conviction.
The Claremont serial killer (Australia)
The Cleveland Torso Murderer, aka The Mad Butcher of Kingsbury Run (USA)
2006 Ipswich murder investigation (UK) (unidentified killer, aka the Ipswich Ripper, Suffolk Ripper, Red Light Ripper, East Anglia Ripper, Suffolkator or Suffolk Strangler) — Nobody yet convicted, but one man has been charged with five murders
Jack the Ripper, the most famous serial killer of all, murdered prostitutes in the East End of London in 1888 (UK)
Jack the Stripper (UK), 1964-65
The Lisbon Ripper — A ripper that murdered three women in Lisbon (Portugal)
The Oakland County Child Killer
The Original Night Stalker (USA)
The Phantom Killer (USA)
The Stoneman (India) — An individual or gang that killed a number of homeless individuals through the 1980s
The Zodiac Killer (USA)

[edit] See also
Mass murder
Spree killer
List of criminals by nickname
List of terrorist incidents (includes Unabomber, Theodore Kaczynski)

[edit] References
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country"
Categories: Serial killers by nationality | Death-related lists

 

[Isambard]

I got a feeling you'd have a different tune if you were wrongfully convicted

The reason for all that jazz is that death is kinda permanent and there have been serveral cases where the overwhemling evidence that someone is guilty, was no longer so overwhemling and what then?

At least with the American system you could say "well at least there were plenty of opportunities" but under yours PA, there isnt that luxary/ What do you say to the familly? Oops?

Life Imprisonment is better. Cheaper, and if the person turns out to be innocent then the sentence can be reversed.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Crimes are usually committed by sick, unbalanced or desperate people, who cannot think sanely and objectively and therefore are not fully responsible for their crimes. That's one of the main reasons why I am opposed to the death penalty, the other one being innocent people getting executed. I am also opposed to life imprisonment. A criminal should be imprisoned until he or she has been rehabilitated.

 

[جوري]

No. I wouldn't feel differently because I believe in the justice of sharia, not American BS....
the system that lets OJ roam free is the only likely to convict the wrong folks. .. the system that is also likely to produce that many criminals.. these aren't Islamic statistics up above...

Again.. can't pay for your sins, the price seems steep and heavy?.. simply DON'T COMMIT crimes!