Who is Jesus- prophet or more?

[MadeenJibreel]

I appreciate your eargerness to look at that particular word but you must check other translations that make it more clear.

Jesus, Son of Mary; high honored shall he be in this world and the next, near stationed to Allah. (Quran 3:45)

his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to Allah"(Quran 3:45)

Anyways we are discussing about the virgin birth, ascension, sinless life,miracles, second coming which make him unique.

Peace

So will all the messengers of Allah be honoured. That's doesn't make Jesus unique. I can probably find dozens of translations, but nowhere you will find that "Jesus is on the same level as Allah" (astaghfirullah!) as Christians would let us to believe.

Virgin birth? Jesus at least had a mother, Adam had no father and no mother, so Adam's birth/creation is a bit more unique.

Ascension? Everything is easy for Allah, but in case you don't know, a brother of Jesus, Muhammed, peace and blessing be upon them both, was shown some of the greatest signs of Allah. This journey is far more amazing than ascension of Jesus. Again, Jesus is not unique in this either.

Miracles? All messengers of Allah were given miracles, miracles of their own era they lived in. Again, Jesus is not unique.

Second coming? Perhaps one of the reasons for this might be to clear his name - to prove all those millions of people wrong who - by believing Jesus is the Lord - are committing a blasphemy against the One Who created them.

 

[Keltoi]

Tell me, is it OK then to go around killing people with machine guns (like it became a trend in america)? Just if you believe in Jesus (that he died on the cross for the sins of humanity as Christians believe)?

No matter what you do, he will save you?

Say you have 2 children (I'm paraphrasing what one of our Shaikhs said), 1 completely innocent and another one a little beast, who does all the evil. And when you come home and see the damage that the evil one did, you decide to beat your innocent child instead? Hmmmm. Please be truthful in your answer.

PS Do you think that's justice?

It's like, say, your neighbour's wife commits adultery, and you know about this, so you beat your own wife who did nothing? How come?

Murder is against the Law of God, so obviously it is not okay to murder. I'm pretty sure you already understand this, but in the unlikely event that you don't, in order to achieve salvation one must accept Christ as Savior and follow the Law of God. There can't be one without the other.

 

[MadeenJibreel]

Murder is against the Law of God, so obviously it is not okay to murder. I'm pretty sure you already understand this, but in the unlikely event that you don't, in order to achieve salvation one must accept Christ as Savior and follow the Law of God. There can't be one without the other.

I met Christians who believe it's ENOUGH to accept Jesus - end of story. Deeds - who needs them? Obviously as there are countless Christian sects and denominations it's not a surprise if the belief system is even more messed up.

 

[Hikmah]

Salaam all freinds, Thankyou for those who participated and gave wonderful responses. learnt many things.:thumbs_up

God bless you all.

with prayer and hugs:X

Hikmah

 

[Malaikah]

Wanted to be on the Cross? Wanted had nothing to do with it. It was the Will of God. As for what Christ meant by the verse, it has to do with Christ taking the sins of the world onto Himself. God did abandon Christ during His time on the Cross, as God will not look upon sin. David said the same thing when God's presence left him. In order to accept Christ's suffering as atonement for the sins of the world, God the Father withdrew His presence from Christ during His time on the Cross...perhaps before, we certainly don't know enough to say for certain. Anyway, that is the theological explanation, you don't have to believe it.

That might have made a little sense if it weren't that Jesus was meant to be God in the first place...

 

[Hikmah]

That might have made a little sense if it weren't that Jesus was meant to be God in the first place...

If Jesus christ would have been ONLY a mere human being, then, he could not have been the perfect, sinless, universal, pleasing, acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world. he would have been just another person dying for his own sins.

But the good news is that he is divine in origin as the word of God ,spirit of God, Son of God, wisdom of God, Power of God etc for the salvation of all those who put their trust in him as their lord and savior. he is the perfect sacrifice and atonement for our sins.

Salvation is found in no one else (except Jesus), for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)

 

[NoName55]

hey

have you not done enough evangelizing yet?

is this not getting rather beyond a joke now?

we already Know who/what our Jesus is, and you have already told us about yours for the umpteenth time.

To summarize:
Our Jesus is Eesa ibn Mariam, A Prophet, messenger and Messiah.

Your Jesus is a god who cant make up his mind whether he wants to be a man or god, cant decide whether to forgive Adam or blame all humanity for his sin, then, milleniums later decides that he is not forgiving after all, he has to top himself as punishment for the offence committed by Adam.

Then all humanity is forgiven their sins but women who are afflicted with continuous punishment to this day [(must have a bad memory to forget things like that) or perhaps they are not counted as human?]

I or someone else will edit and add more later salam till then

 

[Musalmaan]

Wanted to be on the Cross? Wanted had nothing to do with it. It was the Will of God. As for what Christ meant by the verse, it has to do with Christ taking the sins of the world onto Himself. God did abandon Christ during His time on the Cross, as God will not look upon sin. David said the same thing when God's presence left him. In order to accept Christ's suffering as atonement for the sins of the world, God the Father withdrew His presence from Christ during His time on the Cross...perhaps before, we certainly don't know enough to say for certain. Anyway, that is the theological explanation, you don't have to believe it.

Hello.

i just would like to know what do christian mean by "God"?
do christians believe that God has ability to do what He wills?

[after a v. lonnnnng time i came to this forum and caught attention from this thread ]

 

[MadeenJibreel]

If Jesus christ would have been ONLY a mere human being, then, he could not have been the perfect, sinless, universal, pleasing, acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world. he would have been just another person dying for his own sins.

But the good news is that he is divine in origin as the word of God ,spirit of God, Son of God, wisdom of God, Power of God etc for the salvation of all those who put their trust in him as their lord and savior. he is the perfect sacrifice and atonement for our sins.

Salvation is found in no one else (except Jesus), for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."(Acts 4:12)

Hikmah, why are you avoiding my questions? If you were on the Truth, you would have no problems answering my questions. Like for example, how can God pray to himself? Or how can it be that God is afraid of people?

 

[NoName55]

Hikmah, why are you avoiding my questions? If you were on the Truth, you would have no problems answering my questions. Like for example, how can God pray to himself? Or how can it be that God is afraid of people?

remember, me mentioning something about these preachers being, trained adults?

I neglected to mention was that evasion is one of top lessons in the training manual.

another one is to pick an unimportant line out of opponents post and harp on about that instead of answering any real questions, and once you have managed to wind them up, start screaming, play martyr and feign outrage at their lack of compassion for you, I might send you the whole list (authored by some Nazi) later wa salaam alaikum

 

[MadeenJibreel]

remember, me mentioning something about these preachers being, trained adults?

I neglected to mention was that evasion is one of top lessons in the training manual.

another one is to pick an unimportant line out of opponents post and harp on about that instead of answering any real questions, and once you have managed to wind them up, start screaming, play martyr and feign outrage at their lack of compassion for you, I might send you the whole list (authored by some Nazi) later wa salaam alaikum

Don't worry akhi coz I am waiting for him and I can afford to wait much longer than he can afford to avoid me. The Truth is with us, elhamdulillah. Anybody who wants to accept it in his heart, has a chance until he's gone, coz after that it'll be too late, like it was for fir'awn.

 

[Keltoi]

Hello.

i just would like to know what do christian mean by "God"?
do christians believe that God has ability to do what He wills?

[after a v. lonnnnng time i came to this forum and caught attention from this thread ]

Not sure what the point of your question is, but yes, Christians obviously believe God has the ability to do what He wills.

 

[Talha777]

Assalamo alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

There is no question that Jesus (alaihi salam) was a great prophet, in fact he is the promised messiah. Sure he did many miracles, such as curing leprosy and raising people back from the dead, as well as having a virgin birth. And sure he was raised to the heavens, and will come down again. Does this mean he is superior to the Holy Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam)? The answer is no.

The position of Islam is that there is no distinction between the prophets with regard to their truthfulness and authenticity of their claims and goodness of their deeds. However, there is a distinction among the prophets with regard to rank:

Those Messengers We endowed with gifts, some above others
(Al Baqarah 2.253)​

The best of creation (Khayr-ul-Khalq) is Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), who has many distinctive qualities, some mentioned in the Holy Quran and others in the Ahadeeth:

1. Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) is the Seal of the Prophets (Khatamun Nabiyeen):

Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets
(Al Ahzab 33.40)​

2. Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) is the Mercy for the Universe (Rahmatul Alameen)

We sent thee not, but as a mercy for all creatures
(Al Anbiya 21.107)​

3. Prophet Muhammad is a Lamp which is spreading light (Sirajan Muneer)

And as one who invites to Allah's (grace) by His leave, and as a lamp spreading light.
(Al Ahzab 33.46)​

These are all exclusive qualities of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) which no other prophet, including Jesus Christ (alaihi salam) possesses.

And this is confirmed in the ahadeeth as well:

"I shall be pre-eminent amongst the descendants of Adam on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first intercessor and the first whose intercession will be accepted (by Allah)." (Sahih Muslim: Kitab Fazail)

In fact, on the Day of Resurrection, the people will go in crowds to other prophets, such as Adam (alaihi salam) and Jesus (alaihi salam) and ask them to intercede on their behalf, but these great prophets of God will say that they do not have the power to intercede, but only one such prophet has been given this right, and he is Muhammad Mustafa (The Chosen One) (Sallallahu alaihi wa salam).

And the miracles of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) are the greatest miracles which this world has ever witnessed:

The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."
(Al Qamar 54.1-2)​

These verses of the Holy Quran is referring to the great miracle and sign which Allah showed to the skeptics of Makka through Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa salam). The people of Makkah asked for a miracle or sign to confirm the truthfulness of the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam). So by the grace of Allah, he pointed to the moon and it split into two parts, both of them appeared over two different mountains and the people witnessed this sign of God. But these were a superstitious people, and when they saw such a manifest sign, they immediately claimed it was sorcery.

BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE THE SKEPTICS DO NOT BELIEVE IN SORCERY, SO HOW DO THEY ACCOUNT FOR THE REJECTORS OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD (SALLALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALAM) CLAIMING THIS WELL DOCUMENTED HISTORICAL INCIDENT WAS "SORCERY"?

Truly something extraordinary and supernatural must have occured, otherwise the Prophet's detractors would not have claimed that what they saw was mere sorcery.

So in conclusion, I hope some of these incites into the Holy Quran will shatter to pieces the false illusion dishonestly made by Christians that Jesus Christ (alaihi salaam) is more exalted than the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam). True Jesus Christ (alaihi salam) was given the power by Allah (not his own power) to physically raise the dead to life. This was a sign needed to inspire a supernatural people to submit to their Creator.

But the teachings of Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) are also a miraculous sign, because his teachings also have life-giving powers, spiritual life that is, which is more important than physical life:

O ye who believe! give your response to Allah and His Messenger, when He calls you to that which will give you life
(Al Anfal 8.24)​

Wa'lhamdulillahi Rabul Alameen (And All Praise Belongs to Allah, the Lord of all Existence)

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Peace brother, we should not get into a debate about which prophet is better. Each was sent for their own purposes and prophethood is not a competition. The prophets have their roles given to them by Allah and we accept their unanimous monotheistic religion.