Muslims converting to Christianity

[Grace Seeker]

WHAT language of the Bible? The Bible has countless number of copies, original doesn't exist. Or maybe by the language you mean the exegesis of the Bible? Fair enough, but how are you gonna put them all together to make sense since:

1. There's n number of the Bible translations
2. For each translation we have m different views

which gives us n x m combinations. Say trinity for example: it went so far that when some folks tried to explained the trinity, they compared it to an egg. But then again, some folks realized that an egg can go off and when it does then the smell ain't nice at all. The same is with the fabrications and lies. Especially when people lie on God. To gain personal interests - in this life. And to deserve dust and fire - in the afterlife - for eternity.

About this "which was God".
That's what you read in the englinazed Bible, I read somwehre that the true translation of the ancient text reads as "which was God's".

The Word was God's. Not God. God's.
Completely changes the meaning. Obviously somebody wanted to change the meaning of that verse and did exactly that.

I've never said this about any other person on any internet forum, but your comments take the cake in pure nonsense. I say that not because I disagree with you, but because you simply don't know what you are talking about. Plus these comments, they don't belong in this thread. If you want to have a meangingful discussion about such things let's take them elsewhere. If you don't wish to have a meaningful discussion, please, at least quit making a fool of yourself.

 

[MadeenJibreel]

I've never said this about any other person on any internet forum, but your comments take the cake in pure nonsense. I say that not because I disagree with you, but because you simply don't know what you are talking about. Plus these comments, they don't belong in this thread. If you want to have a meangingful discussion about such things let's take them elsewhere. If you don't wish to have a meaningful discussion, please, at least quit making a fool of yourself.

Nope, they're not meaningless, it's just that whatever the real Truth you hear, you don't care, but that's your choice. It's a pity that people who have some intelligence and don't want to accept all kinds of things though logic reasoning fail to accept (read: don't want because of their sick desires) that there cannot be two, three or more Gods. The One True God does not need you nor me, nor anything. We need Him.

A man who places his head on the ground to pray to His Creator cannot be God.
A man who feels fear cannot be God.
A man who doesn't know everything cannot be God.
A man who cried unto God cannot be God.
A man who (supposedly) asked God why He had betrayed him, cannot be God.
A man whose name wasn't written anywhere before the OT cannot be God, cos God doesn't change His Names.
A man who had needs like every other human cannot be God.
A man cannot be God. You cannot slice God in pieces. You cannot divide God. You cannot claim that God occupies a place. That's a nasty lie upon God. The Creator does not occupy His creation, nor is He like His creation. Whoever says so is a liar. God is not a ghost, nor the Holy Ghost for that matter. A ghost is a created thing, or should I say 'a soul'. God is not hungry nor thirsty. God does not give birth nor begets nor is begotten. God cannot be born. That's another nasty lie. One man's (supposed) death (on the cross) cannot save humanity. This is not Justice. And God is not unjust, we are unjust to ourselves. God does not get humiliated, He is the One Who can humiliate anybody. Jesus, peace upon him, is not equal to God, he said that himself (if he did, I'm just quoting the Bible). Jesus did not know everything, again - he said it himself. God most certainly does not forget, nothing escapes His Knowledge. What kind of God Christians then believe in? In a god whose knowledge is imperfect and incomplete? Does that sound like God to you? No, of course not. So why are you still sticking with that belief?

I wish I had decades of free time to write down all the illogics (read: ill-logics) that are so highly treasured by many Christians today.

May Allah, the One and Only True Lord and Creator guide you. But you gotta open your heart. You have nothing to loose. Ameen.

 

[ummzayd]

Today, when Christians pray, we are not praying to a different God than Jesus prayed.

I can say for sure that when Muslims pray it is to the same God that Jesus pbuh prayed to. but can the same really be said for Christians? don't they pray to Jesus pbuh (in his 'God the Son' guise of course).

And indeed, ummzayd, I would agree that when Muslims pray to Allah they are connecting to this very same being that Christian are when we pray to him as Father, Son, or Spirit

can you clarify this - you said 'or'. do you pray to these 3 individually (as it kind of sounds when you put it like that)? or to the 3 of them together as if they are all wrapped up in one deity? if the latter then how can you say it is the same God that Jesus pbuh prayed to - as he certainly didn't pray to himself. logically speaking (I mean according to christian beliefs) he must have prayed to God of only 2 aspects - the father and the spirit.

I'm not sure if I put that quite right. hope it's clear.

btw of course it's my insertion in bold.

peace

 

[wilberhum]

MadeenJibreel
I thought the thread was about:

Muslims converting to Christianity

Not how ignorant and stupid every Christian has to be to believe that garbage when it is so obvious your beliefs make total sence.

Let this agnostic assure you I find totally unbelievable suff in every realigion.

 

[MadeenJibreel]

MadeenJibreel
I thought the thread was about:

Not how ignorant and stupid every Christian has to be to believe that garbage when it is so obvious your beliefs make total sence.

Let this agnostic assure you I find totally unbelievable suff in every realigion.

So? I mean, a conversation or a debate is a floating thing, you can't box it.
And it's about the real Truth, not that much about illogic or things we don't understand. I certainly am not claiming I do understand all things, but the "baby stuff" was explained to me pretty well.

 

[Grace Seeker]

can you clarify this - you said 'or'. do you pray to these 3 individually (as it kind of sounds when you put it like that)? or to the 3 of them together as if they are all wrapped up in one deity? if the latter then how can you say it is the same God that Jesus pbuh prayed to - as he certainly didn't pray to himself. logically speaking (I mean according to christian beliefs) he must have prayed to God of only 2 aspects - the father and the spirit.

I'm not sure if I put that quite right. hope it's clear.

btw of course it's my insertion in bold.

peace

You ask a couple of very good questions. Rather than leading this thread farther afield, may I suggest that we take it to one of these other threads, where it seems to fit the topic more, and continue the discussion there:

Who is the Trinity to Christians & Muslims?

Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

Who invented the trinity??!!

You might even recognize one of them.

 

[ummzayd]

You ask a couple of very good questions. Rather than leading this thread farther afield, may I suggest that we take it to one of these other threads, where it seems to fit the topic more, and continue the discussion there:

and if I do that do you have a brief answer for me?

 

[guyabano]

And it's about the real Truth, not that much about illogic or things we don't understand.

Now I guess, you know this real truth right? These 2 words 'real truth' are often used here in a forum. But how can you know it is the real truth? Since you didn't meet God 'in person' neither Jesus, but you base your knowledge just on books and then you think to know what is the real truth?? ...just upon a book ?

Oh boy..... :?

 

[NoName55]

I am wondering whether it is worth it to bring the 'wrath' of mod like your pal fattah, upon myself by putting you in your place? (all the infractions you got me last time for crime 'stalking' the troll have only just expired but the stain of his name from my profile is not going away. eek!)

 

[MadeenJibreel]

Now I guess, you know this real truth right? These 2 words 'real truth' are often used here in a forum. But how can you know it is the real truth? Since you didn't meet God 'in person' neither Jesus, but you base your knowledge just on books and then you think to know what is the real truth?? ...just upon a book ?

Oh boy..... :?

Yeah, right, like you never saw "Love" or "Mercy" and similar, yet you firmly know they exist, rite? Coz you can see/feel/hear/... their manifestations. :shade:

 

[jouju]

May Allah guide us all
We don know where we wll b later on in life

Giv more info pls

 

[guyabano]

Yeah, right, like you never saw "Love" or "Mercy" and similar, yet you firmly know they exist, rite? Coz you can see/feel/hear/... their manifestations. :shade:

Of course I know what 'Love' is. I love my wife and my 2 children, and I also know why love is manifesting. But I cannot feel any love for a character I just know out of a book. That is something I keep for the nights, when I read fairy tales to my children.

I'm out here

 

[MadeenJibreel]

Of course I know what 'Love' is. I love my wife and my 2 children, and I also know why love is manifesting. But I cannot feel any love for a character I just know out of a book. That is something I keep for the nights, when I read fairy tales to my children.

I'm out here

Talking about love, mercy, things like that. Do you think they were created? They exist, no doubt about that. They were not only created, they were shaped out, designed to suit the needs of the living creatures. Somebody must have created them in the first place.

As a father, what do you think about why is that children love their mum and dad? Why they don't love their neighbours or somebody else, at a stage when they are still not aware of themselves? The same is with animals. All this love, trust, feeling safe in their arms, etc. There's a pattern to it. Somebody must have designed that too. Things don't come up on their own, I don't remember "placing myself in mama's womb"..

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Talking about love, mercy, things like that. Do you think they were created? They exist, no doubt about that. They were not only created, they were shaped out, designed to suit the needs of the living creatures. Somebody must have created them in the first place.

Love and mercy are human concepts, invented by humans to denote certain emotional states. They have no external reality.

Just like god, in fact, from my point of view.

There's a pattern to it. Somebody must have designed that too. Things don't come up on their own,

You believe god did, though, don't you?

Peace

 

[Woodrow]

Greetings,


Love and mercy are human concepts, invented by humans to denote certain emotional states. They have no external reality.

Just like god, in fact, from my point of view.

Peace CZ,

Actually we do not think that much different from each other. I could explain emotions in terms of stimulation of the limbic system and cognitive association of that being made by the frontal lobes.

To use an analogy: Let us think in terms of a human as being an automobile. we can explain in terms of physics and mechanics as to how the automobile gets from Dallas to Hartford. It is all true, we can explain how the engine runs: the spark plugs spark, the carberator carbs, the muffler muffs and the pistons they work too.

All of that can explain how the car gets from Dallas to Hartford, but it does not explain the role of the driver. so it is with us humans, we can physically explain the function of how the body functions, but physics can not explain the role of the driver.

You believe god did, though, don't you?

Peace

Yes

 

[MadeenJibreel]

Greetings,


Love and mercy are human concepts, invented by humans to denote certain emotional states. They have no external reality.

Just like god, in fact, from my point of view.

I'm not talking about actual dictionary words like love, mercy, etc. You should know I meant feelings. Not even the nonbelievers can deny them, rite?

You believe god did, though, don't you?

Peace

Well, you or I surely haven't created them, agree?

 

[Amadeus85]

Geez, actually i think that it is very strange and amazing that in nowadays godless Europe there are some muslims (even a handful) who want to embrace the religion of those who almost dont practice it at all.

 

[NoName55]

^^ Its profitable innit! and a way to gain approval too

 

[Fishman]

In some parts of West Africa it has become almost a custom to 'convert' to Christianity for the good education given by the missionaries, then go back to Islam when you leave school. This may help account for the high conversion rates of both religions there.

 

[جوري]

^^ true,my dad was on a mission in Tanzania for a number of years, and the missionaries there were constantly hovering around the school bribing the children, this I swear as Allah is my witness.

one of the children asked my dad what he'd give him if he doesn't turn christian since the missionaries were offering bicycles. He told him, we offer you nothing material at all, if you want to attend the Islamic classes you are welconme to, if you want to become christian it is your prerogative. The kid took the bike, crashed it and got another one.
I think the whole thing is hilarious.. and rather shameful.. almost riddled with as much shame as all the pederast priests who sodomize boys and are granted reprieve by papl order.
if they are happy totting up the count through bribery then good riddance to them and those fickle enough to follow them for a bike or whatever other gains.

you want to see how sneaky they are, you should see their plan for the island of maldives.
Honestly if it weren't out of respect for some of my christian friends I'd be repulsed to frank retching by how sickening and creepy some of these christians are with their cloak-and-dagger ways.
What will they convert to christianity to do? I suppose in some regions it is good to be backwards all around. steeped in superstition and worshipping a man god whose picture they keep next to their bed.

How sad that everything has to be so contracted in their lives!

7asbona Allah wa'ni3ma alwakeel