Clothing

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Aleykum selam (lol you've got many selams)

It doesn't mean he's not thinking about her (we can't stop that factor completely, whatever we may do), but what about her can differ a lot. Also, as a hijabi myself I've gotten the look often. They stare at me, but of course I cannot guarantee what they are thinking (and God forbid I do not wanna know). See, some body parts are "less sexual" than the others... Or so I have heard. And if like half her arms are bare, only that, and then the hair for example, then I would be surprised if he had sexual thoughts just by looking at her for a brief moment. (if he's not in love or just a random pervert)

lol But I do understand you too. And I think the sister got us too.


Also, I agree 100% with ummzyad's above post.

Ma'salam

They stare at me, but of course I cannot guarantee what they are thinking (and God forbid I do not wanna know).

are u sure that they stare at you in that sense? they could stare at you simply because you are dressed differently.:sunny:

And if like half her arms are bare, only that, and then the hair for example, then I would be surprised if he had sexual thoughts just by looking at her for a brief moment.

you may be suprised....lolkay:

 

[Al-Zaara]

are u sure that they stare at you in that sense? they could stare at you simply because you are dressed differently.:sunny:

Aleykum selam,

Hun, I think I'm old enough to understand some stares. But see my point was, can you know for sure? No, not 100% and actually, as I said, I wouldn't want to know in case it could be a bad thought.

And if like half her arms are bare, only that, and then the hair for example, then I would be surprised if he had sexual thoughts just by looking at her for a brief moment.

you may be suprised....lolkay:

Same goes for the ones covered, sadly. Just the face or the fact you pass by, can for some... :uhwhat That's why it's better not to be so naive and not think about it too much, but yeah covering does help, elhamdulillah.

Ma'salam

 

[thydavidcome]

It is quite rediculous to say the least. It is all culture, this rule of covering your hair and what not was made in arabia, which has a huge precent of sexual harassment and rape EVEN with the Nijab, As you can see its a failing system. It is used to oppress women. The Quran mentions "And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments . . . that they should draw their KHIMAR over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands. . . . " If you find hair beauty, then you SERIOUSLY need HELP. Its about the female body's shape.

But, hair can still be considered beauty in the eyes of some people. So my next point showing that the Hijab can actually be considered a bad thing the further you are from the Equator.

For all of you who doubt harming one self, or exposing to harm is haram here is some quotes for ya

You shall not kill yourselves. (4:29) He also says: Do not expose yourselves to ruin. (2: 195) The Prophet (pbuh) said: "There shall be no inflicting of harm on oneself'. Similarly, it is not permissible to a Muslim to expose himself to the risk of illness or injury in any way or form. The Prophet (pbuh) said: "No believer may humiliate himself'. When he was asked how any person would humiliate himself, he said: "By exposing himself to risks with which he cannot cope".

The Hijab/Nijab as we know covers the body completely with the exception of there eyes(face for hijab). Thats the FLAW. The clothing (especially if its black, which it is) Blocks the skin's ability to absorb Vitamin D3 and Calcium from the SUN. (also giving a whiter complexion). Of course this does nothing at first but as women get older we all know osteoporosis begins to set in. In an egyptian study, the women who wore the Hijab, and ESPECIALLY the Nijab all had the worse case of osteoporosis. If that isnt long term harming your self I don't know what is.

Once again if you disagree do it, but dont be rude.

 

[ummzayd]

The clothing (especially if its black, which it is) Blocks the skin's ability to absorb Vitamin D3 and Calcium from the SUN. (also giving a whiter complexion). Of course this does nothing at first but as women get older we all know osteoporosis begins to set in. In an egyptian study, the women who wore the Hijab, and ESPECIALLY the Nijab all had the worse case of osteoporosis. If that isnt long term harming your self I don't know what is.

Once again if you disagree do it, but dont be rude.

if you have some kind of academic study proving this could you give us all the details cos otherwise you're just blowin hot air.

having face and hands exposed is plenty enough to absorb all the vitamin D you need from the sun. and as for women wearing niqab, they don't wear it in their houses and I don't know any house that hasn't got any sunlight coming into it at all.....unless they live in dungeons or summat.

One more thing - every heard of SKIN CANCER.....even here in northern Europe it is killing people whose skin is exposed to the sun. once global warming takes a hold methinks the safest thing for everyone is to wear burkhas outside!

peace.....hope I wasn't rude insha'Allah

 

[aamirsaab]

I studied psychology at A level; I know what attributes of men and women constitute as sexy

Women: Hair, body shape (hourglass figure is seen as sexy due to excellent child-bearing size), eyes, mouth/teeth.

Men: size (bigger the better), muscle and overall body shape (wedge shape is seen as sexy due to it relating to physical strength thus meaning that men are seen as protectors) teeth and mouth to some extent.

Therefore, the clothing (in womens case, hijab and in mens case, covering neck to ankles) is to cover up the sexy attributes of the two genders to PREVENT people from commiting Zina of the eyes.

Bish, bash bosh, Wam bam strawberry jam.

p.;s there are cultural as well as non-physical attributes too; the ones I gave above are those that are innate/global physical attributes.

The Hijab/Nijab as we know covers the body completely with the exception of there eyes(face for hijab). Thats the FLAW. The clothing (especially if its black, which it is) Blocks the skin's ability to absorb Vitamin D3 and Calcium from the SUN. (also giving a whiter complexion). Of course this does nothing at first but as women get older we all know osteoporosis begins to set in. In an egyptian study, the women who wore the Hijab, and ESPECIALLY the Nijab all had the worse case of osteoporosis. If that isnt long term harming your self I don't know what is.

1) you can get different coloured hijabs such as white.
2) You'd have to be in the sun for several hours to be affected THAT adversely, whilst wearing hijab.

 

[thydavidcome]

2) You'd have to be in the sun for several hours to be affected THAT adversely, whilst wearing hijab.

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Oh it has to be 1 extreme or the other? How about we follow what the prophet said, and do the moderate way, sometimes with the Hijab other times without.

If you seriously consider all that sexy you are sexually deprived. For example I live in florida, beaches are everywere. Shorts, and short sleaves is considered moderate, the adverage temperature is 98 degrees (summer) with 85% hummidity. It would be tourcher to wear the hijab in that wether. I look at a girl in shorts and short sleaves and I don't get sexually excited at all, why? Because
1. Im not a pervert
2. I see it all the time


Also the Quran mentions to lower your gaze, but doesn't mention any punishment for not lowering your gaze. Therefore its a suggestion not an actual rule. God knows that Humans can stare, sometimes not even on purpose, and to punish all the people that stare wouldnt be merciful.

 

[aamirsaab]

Oh it has to be 1 extreme or the other? How about we follow what the prophet said, and do the moderate way, sometimes with the Hijab other times without.

I mentioned no extremes. Moderation does come into it obviously, but the whole point of keeping yourself covered is to retain basic dignity; otherwise, we might as well all run around completely naked.

If you seriously consider all that sexy you are sexually deprived.

What are you talking about?!

For example I live in florida, beaches are everywere. Shorts, and short sleaves is considered moderate, the adverage temperature is 98 degrees (summer) with 85% hummidity. It would be tourcher to wear the hijab in that wether.

Obviously, but common sense would kick in; ''I'm wearing a hijab, surrounded by semi-naked people and it is really hot. Maybe I should go inside?"

If she is in an environment where there are no men, then quite simply she can take the hijab off - it's main purpose is to prevent the unlawful gaze of a non-mahram male.

I look at a girl in shorts and short sleaves and I don't get sexually excited at all, why? Because
1. Im not a pervert
2. I see it all the time

1. Neither am I, but I would still try to look away
2. That doesn't make it right. An unlawful gaze is an unlawful gaze.

Also the Quran mentions to lower your gaze, but doesn't mention any punishment for not lowering your gaze. Therefore its a suggestion not an actual rule. God knows that Humans can stare, sometimes not even on purpose, and to punish all the people that stare wouldnt be merciful.

Who mentioned anything about a punishment? I was refering to basic dignity. Yes you have eyes and yes you use them to look. But, does it mean you stare at every women who walks by?

The whole point of these islamic rulings is to control both body and mind - do that and then you (plural) have permission to preach to me.

 

[thydavidcome]

I mentioned no extremes. Moderation does come into it obviously, but the whole point of keeping yourself covered is to retain basic dignity; otherwise, we might as well all run around completely naked.


What are you talking about?!


Obviously, but common sense would kick in; ''I'm wearing a hijab, surrounded by semi-naked people and it is really hot. Maybe I should go inside?"

If she is in an environment where there are no men, then quite simply she can take the hijab off - it's main purpose is to prevent the unlawful gaze of a non-mahram male.



1. Neither am I, but I would still try to look away
2. That doesn't make it right. An unlawful gaze is an unlawful gaze.


Who mentioned anything about a punishment? I was refering to basic dignity. Yes you have eyes and yes you use them to look. But, does it mean you stare at every women who walks by?

The whole point of these islamic rulings is to control both body and mind - do that and then you (plural) have permission to preach to me.

we might as well all run around completely naked.

Again with the extremes

Obviously, but common sense would kick in; ''I'm wearing a hijab, surrounded by semi-naked people and it is really hot. Maybe I should go inside?"

Typical oppression towards women, lets all stuff them inside so that men can't look at them. Prehaps we should stuff the men inside for looking eh? Women have things to do. Shop, Go to school, etc. Dressing up as a Mummy in a VERY hot area is ridiculously.

An unlawful gaze is an unlawful gaze.

Looking at a womens hair or face or w/e in not an unlawful gaze, staring at someones butt would be. If you have proof to say otherwise please post it

Who mentioned anything about a punishment? I was refering to basic dignity. Yes you have eyes and yes you use them to look. But, does it mean you stare at every women who walks by?

I did, if its "unlawful" to look at everyone who walks by then there would be a punishment. Covering your self head to toe doesnt increase your dignity in parts of America. In places like Florida (the south) it makes you look silly, and out of touch with reality. Especially with high amounts of racism wearing the Hijab has caused many women to be attacked (A pregnant women was beaten to critical condition because the teens thought she was a terriorst)

The whole point of these islamic rulings is to control both body and mind - do that and then you (plural) have permission to preach to me.

These ruling were made by arabs 100s of years after the prophets death. The Hijab doesn't control the body nor the mind. In Saudi Arabia rape and sexual harassments rates are VERY high. In parts of America wearing the Hijab makes you a target. Countless cases of women coming to me after getting beaten in school, harrased, cars stoned, houses egged, hate crimes (someone sent a picture of a quran being peed on to a sister VIA cell phone) and the list doesnt end.

I am not preaching if you want to hear me preach come to my Masque.

 

[aamirsaab]

Again with the extremes

I don't need someone to put words into my mouth; I can do it myself.

Typical oppression towards women, lets all stuff them inside so that men can't look at them. Prehaps we should stuff the men inside for looking eh? Women have things to do. Shop, Go to school, etc. Dressing up as a Mummy in a VERY hot area is ridiculously.

If covering up is oppression then let us run wild naked. That is the point I was making before but you for some odd reason see that as extreme but not your comments. In short; you have your wires crossed.

Looking at a womens hair or face or w/e in not an unlawful gaze, staring at someones butt would be. If you have proof to say otherwise please post it

Looking at the opposite gender (who fall into non-mahram category) IS an unlawful gaze.

if its "unlawful" to look at everyone who walks by then there would be a punishment.

I'm saying at least try to avoid looking and staring.

Covering your self head to toe doesnt increase your dignity in parts of America. In places like Florida (the south) it makes you look silly, and out of touch with reality. Especially with high amounts of racism wearing the Hijab has caused many women to be attacked (A pregnant women was beaten to critical condition because the teens thought she was a terriorst)

That is not the hijab's fault. It is the fault of the ignorant teens who beat her up and racism in general.

These ruling were made by arabs 100s of years after the prophets death. The Hijab doesn't control the body nor the mind.

Indeed it doesn't but the concept of it is to control yourself.

In Saudi Arabia rape and sexual harassments rates are VERY high. In parts of America wearing the Hijab makes you a target. Countless cases of women coming to me after getting beaten in school, harrased, cars stoned, houses egged, hate crimes (someone sent a picture of a quran being peed on to a sister VIA cell phone) and the list doesnt end.

Again, that is not the fault of Islam or the hijab - human corruption and society's general inability to comprehend anything 'slightly different' are to blame. Also, saudi arabia can hardly be called Islamic when it is run by a King.

I am not preaching if you want to hear me preach come to my Masque.

Thanks for the offer, but I think I will pass.

P.s; I myself don't mind if musim women wear hijab or not. In fact I honestly don't care how you dress, just as long as you are retaining some basic dignity (i.e you are wearing some clothes). I understand that not everyone follows the Islamic rulings 100% and I also understand that they have their reasons. What I do honestly care about though is people who change the Islamic rulings to fit their purpose. The points I made with regards to hijab in this post and the previous are relating to those who do wear it. In simplest terms: if you are going to follow the teachings of Islam, then follow them properly. You cannot pick and mix.

 

[Nicro]

Dress of women isnt bad. And it is not meant to make you hot. Look in the Middle east where it get 135 degrees in the summer and women AND men are covered. The dress helps to actually keep you cool.

 

[snakelegs]

Dress of women isnt bad. And it is not meant to make you hot. Look in the Middle east where it get 135 degrees in the summer and women AND men are covered. The dress helps to actually keep you cool.

you are correct. people going out in the desert are advised to be covered - it sets off the bodies natural cooling system.

 

[IB-Staff]

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If the thread starter would like to have this thread re-opened, please PM me.

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