A Jew defends the Taliban, by telling the Truth

[wilberhum]

http://www.hazara.net/taliban/taliban.html
" The policy of the Taliban is to
exterminate the Hazaras"

Maulawi Mohammed Hanif, Taliban
Commander
Announcing their policy to a crowd of 300
people summoned to a mosque [after killing
15,000 Hazaras people in a day]

" Hazaras are not Muslim. You can kill them.
It is not a sin."

Mullah Manon Niazi
Governor of Mazar-e Sharif
Speaking to a crowd in a mosque after the
fall of mazar city

"The use of opium is wrong, but the selling
is not wrong according to Islamic law"

Mullah Omar - the Taliban Supreme Leader
[ In reality, Islam forbids both the use of
and selling of any type of illegal drugs,
including opium ]

As I said "Drug Lords".

 

[InToTheRain]

More of I want proof but I reject all that doesn't agree with me.

No I reject anything that doesn't agree with Islam, get it right man omg

 

[Malaikah]

I have nothing to add to this discussion, but I will say is that I would have never expected you to post a single picture without the background story and act as if it explained everything.

 

[wilberhum]

No need to hide oh: (well since your head is burried in sand I guess that's a given...naah just kidding). I will accept any news source such as BBC or be it CNN. Show something to prove the Stats given in the link is wrong, or that what BOOK claims happened is wrong.

As Snake implyed, the Taliban are not 100% bad nor 100% good as nothing is 100% anything.

But how Islamic do you find kidnapping for ransom?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/11/taliban.hostages/index.html?eref=rss_world

KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Taliban militants holding 21 Korean hostages in Afghanistan will release two female hostages who are unwell, a Taliban spokesman says.

Taliban spokesperson Qari Yousuf Ahmad confirmed to CNN late Saturday that the release would take place.

They ended up murdering 2 and getting over a million dollars for the rest.

You think they are the good guys?

As far as your stats. I could care less. You ask for input, you got it.

 

[wilberhum]

I have nothing to add to this discussion, but I will say is that I would have never expected you to post a single picture without the background story and act as if it explained everything.

A truly valid complaint. It hits a bit hard when it is from someone you respect.

So here it is.
http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm
KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) - Thousands of people watched as a woman, cowering beneath a pale blue all-enveloping burqa, was shot and killed today in the first public execution of a woman in Kabul since the Taliban religious army took control three years ago.

The woman, identified only as Zarmeena, a mother of seven children, was found guilty of beating her husband to death with a steel hammer as he slept. The reason for the killing two years ago was a family dispute," according to a Taliban soldier, who didn't give his name.

Zarmeena was taken from the back of a pickup truck that drove into the sports stadium. Two female police officers, both in deep blue burqas, held Zarmeena's arms.

Witnesses said the convicted woman walked slowly, each step followed by a pause.

When she reached the center of the field she was ordered by one of the women to sit.

Behind her a young Taliban soldier, his head wrapped in the traditional turban, took aim with his Kalashnikov rifle. But suddenly Zarmeena stood up and tried to flee. A policewoman stopped her and forced her to sit, said witnesses.

The Taliban soldier moved closer and shot her three times.

Afterward from the crowd several people shouted "God is great."

The stadium was packed with men and women, many of whom had brought their children.

One woman in a burqa, who did not give her name, but was running quickly toward the stadium seats pushing her small children ahead of her, said: "This is the first time a woman has been killed. I wanted to see."

Radio Shariat on Monday announced that there would be a public execution.

The Taliban have imposed their harsh brand of Islamic law in the 90 percent of Afghanistan under their control. The Taliban say their version of Islam is a pure one that follows a literal interpretation of the Muslim holy book, The Koran.

Under Taliban laws, murderers are publicly executed by the relatives of their victims. Adulterers are stoned to death and the limbs of thieves are amputated. Lesser crimes are punished by public beatings.

Mohammed Wazay, who was collecting wood outside the stadium said that the woman, whose identity was not released on radio, "deserved to die because she must have killed her husband while he was sleeping, otherwise it's not possible."

According to a RAWA reporter, Zarmeena's children and the family of Zarmeena's husband were present in the stadium and all of her children were crying loudly for their mother. Several minutes before the execution, her husband's family announced to the Taliban that they forgave Zarmeena. But the Taliban said that it was impossible to stop the execution because they had already announced it to thousands of people. Islamic law allows the family to forgive the killer but the Taliban did not pay any attention to the law.

 

[InToTheRain]

http://www.hazara.net/taliban/taliban.html
" The policy of the Taliban is to
exterminate the Hazaras"

Maulawi Mohammed Hanif, Taliban
Commander
Announcing their policy to a crowd of 300
people summoned to a mosque [after killing
15,000 Hazaras people in a day]

" Hazaras are not Muslim. You can kill them.
It is not a sin."

Mullah Manon Niazi
Governor of Mazar-e Sharif
Speaking to a crowd in a mosque after the
fall of mazar city

"The use of opium is wrong, but the selling
is not wrong according to Islamic law"

Mullah Omar - the Taliban Supreme Leader
[ In reality, Islam forbids both the use of
and selling of any type of illegal drugs,
including opium ]

As I said "Drug Lords".

nice oh: you can use google :thumbs_up...Did you go to faithfreedom to find out about Islam by any chance oh: ?

Annnyhooow, we are discussing a "BOOK" here, it's credible and has been published. Had the contents of it being wrong his credibility would've gone down and media would've been all over since we are discussing a very politically sensitive issue no? therefore the contents of the book must be correct no?

Here is an exhert from the beginning paragraph of the article which:

[PIE]Following is an excerpt from a book by a Jewish American author, A.S. Adler, regarding his research into the Taliban and the media coverage they received. Unlike professional Zionist Islamophobes, such as Daniel Pipes, Adler deflates the media hysteria surrounding the 'evil Taliban' with cool, calm research. He even comes from a religiously Jewish perspective.[/PIE]

^ read the above. This man is an established author. He has no reason to lie as far as I know.

 

[InToTheRain]

my thoughts on the talibaan
almost any reports on the talibaan come from someone who has an axe to grind - you can pick which axe you want to believe. i think we will never know the truth, partially because of this simple fact.
also there isn't really one truth about them but many.
i think many of the original talibaan were indeed completely sincere. does this make them good? no, it just makes them sincere.
i am not at all sure of the level of their islamic scholarship though i strongly suspect that it was deficient.
i actually see the talibaan themselves as pawns in a larger game. they were largely products of u.s. and saudi funded education as far as i know.
personally, i do not believe that the u.s. cared about talibaan abuses against the afghans at all and that is so much hypocrisy and i find it sickening.
it is true that al-qaeda and the talibaan were very different in goals and strategies.
it is true that the talibaan brought what the afghans wanted the most, in most parts of the country: security. it is also true that outside of kabul, they were not that far out of line with the local people who were very religious and conservative.
depending on who you choose to believe (why choose?), they either irradicated the poppy or it was due to a horrible drought the country suffered that the poppy was wiped out.
that they abused their power is just common sense. that western media demonized them to the hilt is also common sense.
how many executions did they do that weren't reported - who knows?
why the u.s. refused to submit evidence, i do not know. if we really had any, is also unknown. i also don't know why OBL, as a religious man, found it ok to expose the afghans to u.s. bombs to save his own hind parts.
that said, just to be clear - i have no love for the talibaan and the afghans i know also have no love for them.
just an interesting off topic side note - some pashtuns regard themselves as descendants of jews.

Snakeleg thanks for the response.

Would appreciate it if some one with a mindset like yourself read the article I have linked and give some feedback as to whether it changed your perception.

eace:

 

[wilberhum]

Z.AL-Rashid,
Your "Faith Blinders" are so tight you can't see anything.

So sad, be proud of you terrorists and enyoy your ignorance.

I can not fight "Self Imposed Ignorance".

 

[InToTheRain]

I can not fight "Self Imposed Ignorance".

Well, at least you admit it my man. That's a step in the right direction

LOL...nah just messing man. Sorry if I offended you with anything I said. Forgive me

eace:

 

[wilberhum]

Well, at least you admit it my man. That's a step in the right direction

LOL...nah just messing man. Sorry if I offended you with anything I said. Forgive me

eace:

Not offened.

Life is too short to get offended about your refusal to accept reality.

I just think it is sad.

 

[islamirama]

Is willy nilly posting warlords pictures and blaming talebans for them like his masters in the media and govt?

 

[wilberhum]

Is willy nilly posting warlords pictures and blaming talebans for them like his masters in the media and govt?

Your standard denial of the obvious.

You only use sources of information that support you conclusion.

Maybe you can find some thing on Youtube to Prove your point. :giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling:

 

[barney]

I wouldnt bother. Youve put photographic evidence in front of her and because taliban are muslim, they are incapable of doing wrong, they are just Americans dressed up in turbans inflicting yet more pain on the oppressed, yadda yadda.....

 

[islamirama]

Your standard denial of the obvious.

You only use sources of information that support you conclusion.

Maybe you can find some thing on Youtube to Prove your point. :giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling:

it's rather you're in denial of the obvious. I have friends who can verify those pictures by talking to pashtuns who go to afghan and back to quetta on daily basis for business trades. Whereas you post and parrot what your media masters tell you and trying to impress others thinking that you actually know something about whats going on over there.

 

[wilberhum]

:giggling::giggling::giggling:

it's rather you're in denial of the obvious. I have friends who can verify those pictures by talking to pashtuns who go to afghan and back to quetta on daily basis for business trades. Whereas you post and parrot what your media masters tell you and trying to impress others thinking that you actually know something about whats going on over there.

Do you have any Youtube stuff to back up what you are saying?:giggling::giggling::giggling::giggling:

I should take Barney's advise.

 

[InToTheRain]

As Snake implyed, the Taliban are not 100% bad nor 100% good as nothing is 100% anything.

But how Islamic do you find kidnapping for ransom?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/08/11/taliban.hostages/index.html?eref=rss_world

They ended up murdering 2 and getting over a million dollars for the rest.

You think they are the good guys?

As far as your stats. I could care less. You ask for input, you got it.

I see you did post from sources I would consider, cool oh:. sorry I didn't see it yesterday :/ ...but geeza...with all due , how short can your attention span be?
At least have the decency to not make me repeat answers that have been provided in the orignal post...thanks. If you still do not understand what I am reffering to...and you most probably don't oh:...look at the date of the event your post is regarding and re-read my orignal post. Clocked on have we? And before you reply, I would appreciate if you take your time and
put some thought into what you post before you do to avoid time wastage oh: thanks.

A truly valid complaint. It hits a bit hard when it is from someone you respect.

So here it is.
http://www.rawa.org/murder-w.htm

No I don't find it hard to believe actually. If someone murders some one then penalty is death to the murderer or for them to

pay blood money under Sharia. This event has been addressed in the link I gave and you would have known had you bothered reading it so please please read it to Avoid posting information I have provided already. Here is the post regarding that particular event from the link I have provided. Read post number 10, I am not denying it happened and neither is the author.

I do not want your opinion on what you think of Shariah Law. I just want you to know if your conception of the founders of Taliban would change IF what the Author said is true . If you don't believe what the author says at least read it and tell me which points you disagree with and why...that is all I want. So what I am requesting basically is:

1) READ ORIGNAL POST INCLUDING LINK,
2) WHEN READING ORIGNAL POST, SAY AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT READ ON ORIGNAL POST.
3) IF DISAGREE SAY WHY?

See folks I ain't asking for much

Also Wilber, you are quite the hypocrite for accusing by saying "More of I want proof but I reject all that doesn't agree with me" yet it is evident that it was you who did not even bother reading what I had to say because it goes against your prejudice, no? :/

Life is too short to get offended about your refusal to accept reality.

Your right, life is short and I should accept that trying to expect a reasonable discussion with those blinded by prejudice is futile...I should just accept reality but alas I maybe too optimistic :hmm:

I wouldnt bother. Youve put photographic evidence in front of her and because taliban are muslim, they are incapable of doing wrong, they are just Americans dressed up in turbans inflicting yet more pain on the oppressed, yadda yadda.....

READ MY POST! I ain't saying Muslims or the Talibans are angels ****it :grumbling


So far, the only decent response I have gotten was from Snakeleg although I don't think he read the OP fully. Keltoi, Wilber and Blimey, your responses suck :thumbs_do laying:
MUHAHAHAha :X

 

[wilberhum]

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So far, the only decent response I have gotten was from Snakeleg although I don't think he read the OP fully. Keltoi, Wilber and Blimey, your responses suck :thumbs_do laying:
MUHAHAHAha :X[/B]

As I said:

You wanted input, you got it.

You rejected it just like I knew you would.

Any response that is contrary to what you want "sucks".

Next time you don't want input, don't ask for it.

 

[snakelegs]

So far, the only decent response I have gotten was from Snakeleg although I don't think he read the OP fully. Keltoi, Wilber and Blimey, your responses suck :thumbs_do laying:
MUHAHAHAha :X

i did read it, and the link as well, and took it into consideration when i wrote my post.
do i get a cookie now? laying:

 

[Jayda]

hola

i think it is interesting that the caption of this thread pretty much substantiates the biggest stereotypes of muslims... what do the other non muslims here think?

que Dios te bendiga

 

[InToTheRain]

As I said:

Any response that is contrary to what you want "sucks".

Next time you don't want input, don't ask for it.

You know...your avatar suits you well. Mindless gibberish which only adds to the confusion ^o)...no I wasn't talking about you geeza it ish teh tazmanian devil which I eshpeak of you gets me oh:

anyways .... eace:

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