More American veterans committing suicide than dieing in Iraq

[Cognescenti]

Observe:

The figure for servicemen age 20-24 in the report was 22 per 100,000. The group of returning vets are overwhelmingly male.

The rate of suicide for the general population in the US for ages 20-24 is 13.9 per 100,000 but this is for both men and women.

Men commit suide at a rate 4x higher than women so they account for 80% of the general population figue on a denominator that is half the size (about half of 20-24 year olds in the US are men, of course). That is .80 x 13.9 x 2 which comes out to......wait for it........22 per 100,000


kay:

 

[Cognescenti]

BTW...the rate of suicide for 80 year olds is about 6 times the rate for young adults. I suppose these are WWII vets reliving the Battle of the Bulge? :thumbs_do:thumbs_do

To all the America haters....keep looking....and be sure to bring it here so we can all see.

 

[islamirama]

As an American Muslim, i must say that some of what has been said in this thread horrifies me. I can completely understand hating this war....but to hate the american people and wish, and pray, for death to them?

One of my closest friends came back from Iraq in 2005 and killed himself less than a year later. He was shot and wounded trying to push a group of children inside a building when a skirmish broke out instead of taking cover himself to return fire.

Yes- there are american soldiers and civilians who are so far out of line in Iraq (blackwater comes to mind) But it appalls me to see these people generalized to encompass the entire american people. How do you feel when the uneducated american generalizes all muslims to be violent terrorists?

It saddens me to think that brothers and sisters are praying as I speak for the death of my people...

I do and will continue to pray for the death of any kuffar enemy that is in Muslim lands and murdering and raping my people. Prophet (saws) said your ummah is ONE ummah and your blood is ONE blood. Anyone who spills Muslim blood, spills my blood. Don't worry bro, there are millions of Muslims out there who are also praying for the destruction of the oppressors.

Oh and btw, it is permissible and allowed in islam to pray against your enemy and their destruction. Ask one of the mods to pull out an hadith of a man asking the prophet (saws) about this and he allowed it.

As for hating the american people, yea sure i hate the dumb and narrow minded bigots (we even got one or two on here). But that doesn't mean i pray for their death. I rather pray for their guidance to Islam and to open their eyes against their leaders before their land becomes like Iraq.

Dua: The Weapon of the Believer

Any harm incurred on the invader's army (be it on duty or at home) is good news

i'll pray for death for your people (army)

That just doesn't seem very Islamic to me.

What's so un-islamic about that?

If their soldier dies on the field or kills himself at home, then its good news either way. That just means oneless oppressor to kill my people.

And what is wrong in praying against your enemy? don't tell me you'll be praising the army that invades your land and murders and rapes your people?

 

[Woodrow]

This is a topic that is very personal too me. Going back many years to a far away place called Viet-Nam, I relate very strongly with this thread. If it had not been for the Grace and intervention of Allaah(swt) I could very well have been one of these statistics.

I do suffer from PTSD as a result of some experiences during that time. I am one of the few fortunate ones who had it diagnosed and treated, it has been under control for a good length of time now. However, PTSD will be part of my life struggle up to the day I die.

PTSD is not the result of cowardliness nor of immorality, it is a simple reflection that the average American Soldier is not a killer and is trained more to save rather than take lives. The end result is that when it is necessary to take a life, it is nearly impossible for an American Soldier to cope with the pain of doing so. It is a very expensive price to pay.

Why does any American Choose to become a soldier, knowing the possible out come? The main reason is because he honestly believes that the actions will result in saving lives, not destroying them. He believes that his duties would result in minimum deaths and if not taken more innocent people would die.

The American Soldier is not a killer, he has no desire to harm others. Sadly, at times people in power take advantage of this trait and use it as a tool for personal gain.

An analogy would be to picture your self in this fictitious scenario: "A man murdered and raped your mother. He is a psychopath and you know he is going to return for your wife and daughter. Your next door neighbor presents you with evidence that he knows who the man is. He also shows you "proof" that nobody except you is capable of stopping this man. You go out and stop him. Later you find out the man was innocent and your neighbor gave you false information, so that he could collect on a large insurance policy the man had."

sadly, that is similar to what has happened to many American soldiers. The result is often PTSD.

 

[Cognescenti]

PTSD is real.

The title of this thread is maliciously deceptive. The thread is populated with a chap who prays that American Vets blow their brains out. But, Islam is all about peace, you understand.

 

[wilberhum]

eace:Another "Reality" post by Woodrow.

A man who's wisdom is beyond his years.

And that a lot.

Well done Woodrow, you are a man all need to respect.

 

[Jayda]

She's laughing cause these so called macho soldier boys can't handle the pressure and tension of the war and the barbaric war crimes they committed so they go back home and kill their own families and commit suicide. That is their sad state and one they deserve for being where they are not wanted and oppressing a nation of people in order to steal their oil.

And what is wrong in praying against your enemy? don't tell me you'll be praising the army that invades your land and murders and rapes your people?

hola,

the part in bold is insane, and really offensive for those of us with husbands in the military...

que Dios te bendiga

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

As for hating the american people, yea sure i hate the dumb and narrow minded bigots (we even got one or two on here).

A bigot is very likely to make broad generalisations about large groups of people. Just like you did there.

Release your hate. It leads to the dark side.

Peace

 

[islamirama]

This is a topic that is very personal too me. Going back many years to a far away place called Viet-Nam, I relate very strongly with this thread. If it had not been for the Grace and intervention of Allaah(swt) I could very well have been one of these statistics.

I do suffer from PTSD as a result of some experiences during that time. I am one of the few fortunate ones who had it diagnosed and treated, it has been under control for a good length of time now. However, PTSD will be part of my life struggle up to the day I die.

PTSD is not the result of cowardliness nor of immorality, it is a simple reflection that the average American Soldier is not a killer and is trained more to save rather than take lives. The end result is that when it is necessary to take a life, it is nearly impossible for an American Soldier to cope with the pain of doing so. It is a very expensive price to pay.

Why does any American Choose to become a soldier, knowing the possible out come? The main reason is because he honestly believes that the actions will result in saving lives, not destroying them. He believes that his duties would result in minimum deaths and if not taken more innocent people would die.

The American Soldier is not a killer, he has no desire to harm others. Sadly, at times people in power take advantage of this trait and use it as a tool for personal gain.

An analogy would be to picture your self in this fictitious scenario: "A man murdered and raped your mother. He is a psychopath and you know he is going to return for your wife and daughter. Your next door neighbor presents you with evidence that he knows who the man is. He also shows you "proof" that nobody except you is capable of stopping this man. You go out and stop him. Later you find out the man was innocent and your neighbor gave you false information, so that he could collect on a large insurance policy the man had."

sadly, that is similar to what has happened to many American soldiers. The result is often PTSD.

No offense bro but i disagree with "american solder is meant to save lives and is not a killer"

There's a handful good boys out there but most let loose their evil from within knowing well they don't have to be held accountable, esp. when their commanders encourage it.


Bombing Mosque in Iraq for Fun
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2799079">http://www.ifilm.com/video/2799079


Soldiers making iraqi boy chase truck for water
http://www.youtube.com/v/uXzpUawlEGQ

US soldier's atrocities in Iraq
http://www.youtube.com/v/0_-31rFCVLg

Soldiers torturing a dog in iraq
http://www.youtube.com/v/29ubFeESQbU

Hidden Massacre of Fallujah
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-1134673789364675735&hl=en


Hidden Massacre of Haditha
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7737154868652111781&hl=en

Iraq Women Prison Atrocities
http://www.youtube.com/v/J1euPBRRxTU

http://www.inminds.co.uk/noor1.jpg
http://www.inminds.co.uk/noor2.jpg

I don't see any life saving compassionate soldiers you're talking about?

May Allah destroy them all, mind and body!

ameen!

 

[islamirama]

hola,

the part in bold is insane, and really offensive for those of us with husbands in the military...

que Dios te bendiga

What about those iraqi whose husbands never came home, who have to sell their bodies to earn a living?

It's insane for you but peace for us. More of them dead means less of us dead. It's as simple as that.

 

[Jayda]

What about those iraqi whose husbands never came home, who have to sell their bodies to earn a living?

It's insane for you but peace for us. More of them dead means less of us dead. It's as simple as that.

how is it peaceful for you to have my husband come back home and kill me and our daughters?

 

[wilberhum]

I just have to duplicate what I just posted on another thread.
islamirama

This shows how much you actually know also buddy

You must be the keeper of ALL knowledge.

You always claim that you know and no one else does.

How is that?

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

conscience?

 

[islamirama]

how is it peaceful for you to have my husband come back home and kill me and our daughters?

Think of it as God's punishment for what he did to someone's husband, wife,daughter,son, mother, father. That be one less killing machine to get rest and go back out to murder again.

 

[Jayda]

Think of it as God's punishment for what he did to someone's husband, wife,daughter,son, mother, father. That be one less killing machine to get rest and go back out to murder again.

hola,

so why don't you kill me? he is gone most of the year, it wouldn't be difficult.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[islamirama]

hola,

so why don't you kill me? he is gone most of the year, it wouldn't be difficult.

que Dios te bendiga

what he does over there (help vs oppress) will show how he will behave when he comes home (be happy or kill his family). My job is to pray for my brothers and sisters that are being oppressed and occupied and Allah take care of those who have done injustice there. Whether your husband is one of them or not depends on him and his actions there.

 

[Jayda]

what he does over there (help vs oppress) will show how he will behave when he comes home (be happy or kill his family). My job is to pray for my brothers and sisters that are being oppressed and occupied and do justice against those that have done injustice there. Whether your husband is one of them or not depends on him and his actions there.

are you aware you are really upsetting me?

 

[islamirama]

are you aware you are really upsetting me?

Is your upsetting worth more than the lives of the iraqi? I don't see why you would get upset. Don't you have faith in your husband? If he's a good guy and is actually there to help then you have nothing to worry about. If he is one of those guys (see links posted for woodrow) then you pray that Allah guide him before Allah accepts somebody's dua.

Prophet said, Three Duas are such in which there is no doubt of their acceptance:
1) Parent’s Dua
2) Traveler’s Dua
3) Dua of the oppressed”.

(Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)


Abu Hurairah narrates from the Prophet (saw), “In the court of Allah, there is no greater thing than Duaa” (Ibn Majah)

hadith, “Verily your Lord is Generous and Shy. If His servant raises his hands to Him (in supplication) He becomes shy to return them empty (Ahmad, Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi).

 

[Jayda]

Is your upsetting worth more than the lives of the iraqi? I don't see why you would get upset. Don't you have faith in your husband? If he's a good guy and is actually there to help then you have nothing to worry about. If he is one of those guys (see links posted for woodrow) then you pray that Allah guide him before Allah accepts somebody's dua.

Prophet said, Three Duas are such in which there is no doubt of their acceptance:
1) Parent’s Dua
2) Traveler’s Dua
3) Dua of the oppressed”.

(Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)


Abu Hurairah narrates from the Prophet (saw), “In the court of Allah, there is no greater thing than Duaa” (Ibn Majah)

hadith, “Verily your Lord is Generous and Shy. If His servant raises his hands to Him (in supplication) He becomes shy to return them empty (Ahmad, Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi).

is there anything (action, idea, belief) in your mind which your perspective on the iraq war would not justify?

 

[AHMED_GUREY]

how is it peaceful for you to have my husband come back home and kill me and our daughters?

Think of it as God's punishment for what he did to someone's husband, wife,daughter,son, mother, father. That be one less killing machine to get rest and go back out to murder again.

i doubt it would mean more peace for us if Jayda and her daughters were killed by ''anyone'', two wrongs don't make a right brother.

Still this war on Terror is 'illegal' and is actually terrorizing innocent civilians as we speak, basically the term is an 'oxymoron'