Somalia: 1 million civilians displaced

al-muslimah said:
By Chechnya---heres a peaceful solution for ya :

ethiopians p**s off back to ethiopia--

Yup tell me about.They should be dragged back to Ethiopia.I love our mujahideen.They rock!!
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:sl: :hmm: I remember when bodies were being dragged down the street by supporters of the 'Islamic Courts Union'. That doesn't seem 'Islamic' to me sis. Though I do agree that they brought peace and stability to a country war-ravaged, but displacement has been happening in Somalia since '90. That's the reason why the Somali population is dispersed around the diaspora.

They need to come to a peaceful resolution, for the sake of the Somali people because all of this fighting is doing our people no good. I feel so badly for the Somalis back home still suffering, may Allah make things easy on them (ameen). :cry:
 
There is no such thing as "peace negotion" until they the coalition of kuffar keave our lands.after that then we can talk global peace.
 
^:sl: If peaceful negotiation will avoid more bloodshed and killing, then it should be done.

This 'kill the kufaar' mentality is doing no one good.

Besides, the ICU seems a bit shady itself. They were basically the ones who said that they would travel all the way to Addis to liberate the Ethios, no? If both sides really cared for the people, then they would stop it. No more displacement, hunger, poverty, and innocent people dying. If killing can be avoided through means of peaceful negotiation, it should be done, period.
 
al-muslimah said:
There is no such thing as "peace negotion" until they the coalition of kuffar keave our lands.after that then we can talk global peace.
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How very generous of you. Might we know exactly where "our lands" are? How about Israel and Lebanon? How about Andalucia? Can we have Turkey back? How about Birmingham and Hamburg or the Paris suburbs?

Your idea is childish.
 
Cognescenti said:
How very generous of you. Might we know exactly where "our lands" are? How about Israel and Lebanon? How about Andalucia? Can we have Turkey back? How about Birmingham and Hamburg or the Paris suburbs?

Your idea is childish.
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the idea of ALL muslim lands being liberated might seem childish to you, but it is part of our way of life.

you must understand, to muslims if the prophet Muhammad saws forbade us to give up one hand span of muslim land then that is it for us, no negotiation over the final status, though there can be temporary ceasefires - there can be no peace in palastine etc.

as far as birmingham and paris are concerned though i have never heard then described as darul islam, the abode of islam as they are in the lands of the disbelievers.

it is simply a matter of how seriously do you take your religion or way of life, if you took it like us, then it would be simple - if you believed in Allah like we believe in Allah then there would not be this problem of you believing this point of view childish as it would be not just a matter of life and death, but of salvation and ****ation.

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
the idea of ALL muslim lands being liberated might seem childish to you, but it is part of our way of life.

you must understand, to muslims if the prophet Muhammad saws forbade us to give up one hand span of muslim land then that is it for us, no negotiation over the final status, though there can be temporary ceasefires - there can be no peace in palastine etc.

as far as birmingham and paris are concerned though i have never heard then described as darul islam, the abode of islam as they are in the lands of the disbelievers.

it is simply a matter of how seriously do you take your religion or way of life, if you took it like us, then it would be simple - if you believed in Allah like we believe in Allah then there would not be this problem of you believing this point of view childish as it would be not just a matter of life and death, but of salvation and ****ation.

Abu Abdullah
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And what about this notion that non-Muslims are to be tolerated in "Islamic lands". What about the Jews and Zororastrians of Medina (or was it Mecca) a millenium ago? Weren't they supposed to be tolerated according to you know who?

It might also help if there were a map somewhere that said "Islam/the rest of the irremediable swine Kuffar". Is there such a map?

BTW..your strategy kind of leaves the Muslims in the swine Kuffar lands up a creek doesn't it?
 
Cognescenti said:
And what about this notion that non-Muslims are to be tolerated in "Islamic lands". What about the Jews and Zororastrians of Medina (or was it Mecca) a millenium ago? Weren't they supposed to be tolerated according to you know who?

It might also help if there were a map somewhere that said "Islam/the rest of the irremediable swine Kuffar". Is there such a map?

BTW..your strategy kind of leaves the Muslims in the swine Kuffar lands up a creek doesn't it?
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you make many assumptions, i did not say that the kuffar cannot live in the muslims lands, as far as i am aware they are only not permitted upon the land of the two holy sanctuaries.

and i do not call any disbeliever irremediable, anyone can change, the strongest (and therefore worst) disbelievers often become the best believers, if you studied the lives of the companions of the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) you would see many were enemies of Allah's messenger before they entered into islam.

finally, coming to the muslims in the abode of disbelief, well as long as the disbelievers keep to the covanant of security then there is no issue here.

hope that has answered your questions and calmed you a little.

Abu Abdullah
 
Dawud_uk said:
you make many assumptions, i did not say that the kuffar cannot live in the muslims lands, as far as i am aware they are only not permitted upon the land of the two holy sanctuaries.

and i do not call any disbeliever irremediable, anyone can change, the strongest (and therefore worst) disbelievers often become the best believers, if you studied the lives of the companions of the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) you would see many were enemies of Allah's messenger before they entered into islam.

finally, coming to the muslims in the abode of disbelief, well as long as the disbelievers keep to the covanant of security then there is no issue here.

hope that has answered your questions and calmed you a little.

Abu Abdullah
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Good answer Dawud. I am still having trouble knowing how a "non-believer" (big improvemnt over previous terminology :okay:) is to know when he is welcome in a Mulsim land and when he is not welcome in a Muslim land. This seems quite important as the consequences seem often to be that his head is separated from his body if the later pertains. There is also the problem of knowing when he is in a "Muslim land". May he visit Jerusalem? How about the Southern Balkans? How about a Yazdi in Iraq. It seems they are better off wearing disguises. How about Korean Christians? It seems they made a wrong turn somewhere, eh? How about a Western doctor or engineer in Saudi Arabia?

You seem to be avoiding the tough questions.
 
Cognescenti said:
Good answer Dawud. I am still having trouble knowing how a "non-believer" (big improvemnt over previous terminology :okay:) is to know when he is welcome in a Mulsim land and when he is not welcome in a Muslim land. This seems quite important as the consequences seem often to be that his head is separated from his body if the later pertains. There is also the problem of knowing when he is in a "Muslim land". May he visit Jerusalem? How about the Southern Balkans? How about a Yazdi in Iraq. It seems they are better off wearing disguises. How about Korean Christians? It seems they made a wrong turn somewhere, eh? How about a Western doctor or engineer in Saudi Arabia?

You seem to be avoiding the tough questions.
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not at all,

you've never posed these particular questions to me.

darul islam is the abode of islam, in it the non muslims have a protected status, they pay the jiziyyah tax, obey the public laws and are allowed to live their own private lives in their own homes and churches.

the lands that should be darul islam are all those lands that were historically under the rule of shariah, so yes al-quds also (arabic for jeruselum) but once again no problem with non muslim pilgrims as long as they obey the laws

i answered your question regarding non muslims in saudia, it is specifically forbidden by a narration from a narration from the prophet Muhammad saws, but they are allowed in the rest of darul islam as long as pay the jiziyyah and follow the public laws.

in my opinion, the foreign workers are another reason many saudis have become so fat and lazy and corrupt, because others do the work for them.

regarding the Korean missionaries, well they were just that and one of the laws in islam is that although it allows for debate from non muslims it does not allow missionary activity and the penalty under our law is death

i hope that answers your questions to your satisfaction

Abu Abdullah
 
Trumble said:
Er, right... :okay: Back to the real world...

I'm not sure what point you think is being made, here. If there were no Islamist insurgents there would be no fighting and nobody being displaced anywhere. No fighting, no uprooting. It's the reverse of the situation before when the Islamic Courts controlled Mogadishu, but in both cases it took two to tango. The only solution is to put away the guns, sit down, talk, and come up with a peaceful agreement.
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You know nothing of my country so it's better for you to do research :grumbling Point 1 Somali's are all Muslim 99.99% of the population is Muslim and we all hate Abdullahi Yusuf. He wants a secular state where he would give all the Somali oil to the United States for Cheap. He's a puppet. While the Islamic courts had power there was mostly peace and they started to clean rubble and their was even city buses run by the city for the first time. But America and the West don't want Peace so they sent there puppets (Ethiopia) to attacks us. But don't worry we'll go from Mogadishu to Addis Ababa
 
Most people on hear no absoulety rubbish about Somalia that my hair is turning Grey reading it.

Now listen up:

Before ICU there was no stop violence for power between rival factions. People were being looted and the poor were not looked after. Before the Dumb Ethio Army came ( Allah Yal 3nak) We had peace. The Somali people don't want no stupid secular government that the stupid west wants to implement on us. We want an Islamic State by the Name Khilafah. We want a Caliph and not a president. Take your democracy and stick it up your behind because it will do us no good. And if the West continues and tries to implement its on ways and Ideoligies we will continue to fight you until you stop fighting us. The Mujahideen will win In Chechnya and they will go from Grozny to Moscow and we will go From Mogadishu to Addis Ababa. who started these wars and put these western governments in the Muslim World. I can tell you that We want Islamic ways not Western Ways and Since the Kufar brought there armies to Somalia and Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir and so on we will take our armies one day after we are victorious and put them in your cities. You want to put your armies here? then we will beat you and Put our armies with you.

1 million Muslims are displaced because of your rubbish governments that came to our land. What if 40 million Americans were displaced ( Somalis are only 8 million so the ratio compared to US would be close to 40 million) just because of a war that was fought because another country didn't like that peoples policies. Since the U.S is the biggest power they see any country that doesn't follow its ideologies as an illegitimate government that must be taken out. Especially if that government has Oil. So scoot off back to Washington, London, and Moscow.
 
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sudais1 said:
You know nothing of my country so it's better for you to do research :grumbling Point 1 Somali's are all Muslim 99.99% of the population is Muslim and we all hate Abdullahi Yusuf. He wants a secular state where he would give all the Somali oil to the United States for Cheap. He's a puppet. While the Islamic courts had power there was mostly peace and they started to clean rubble and their was even city buses run by the city for the first time. But America and the West don't want Peace so they sent there puppets (Ethiopia) to attacks us. But don't worry we'll go from Mogadishu to Addis Ababa
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:sl: Not everyone hates Abdullahi Yusuf, I don't think you're making a fair judgement of the guy. Even though you may disagree with his policies and the horrible things he's done, let's not pretend that things like this weren't already happening in Somalia.

It's pretty funny how people act like looting is a new occurence, it isn't. My house, as was probably many Somalis in the diaspora homes, was looted. The people living in there basically stole it and are murderers. Do you think it's okay for them to be doing that and to be still living there lavishly (istaqhfurallah)? I think Abdullahi isn't such a good guy, but he has been doing good things, like giving back looted properties. At the same time, the TFG is made up of horrible horrible people, it's comprised of those who participated in the mass murders and killings of innocent Somali people, Allah jaanada haa siiyo, who are now 'ministers', subhanallah. People think it's okay because everyone's clan is represented, but how dare they put a number on your clan's worth (refer to the 3.5 rule)?

All in all, the ICU has fizzled and were shady, and inshaa'Allah everyone can come to a resolution in which Somalia becomes an Islamic state which it has forever longed for - ameen.

PS. Please, let's not act like the ICU was an 'innocent' Islamic movement, because if it were trust me aboowe i'd be the first to support it.
 
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sudais1 said:
Most people on hear no absoulety rubbish about Somalia that my hair is turning Grey reading it.

Now listen up:

Before ICU there was no stop violence for power between rival factions. People were being looted and the poor were not looked after. Before the Dumb Ethio Army came ( Allah Yal 3nak) We had peace. The Somali people don't want no stupid secular government that the stupid west wants to implement on us. We want an Islamic State by the Name Khilafah. We want a Caliph and not a president. Take your democracy and stick it up your behind because it will do us no good. And if the West continues and tries to implement its on ways and Ideoligies we will continue to fight you until you stop fighting us. The Mujahideen will win In Chechnya and they will go from Grozny to Moscow and we will go From Mogadishu to Addis Ababa. who started these wars and put these western governments in the Muslim World. I can tell you that We want Islamic ways not Western Ways and Since the Kufar brought there armies to Somalia and Palestine, Chechnya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir and so on we will take our armies one day after we are victorious and put them in your cities. You want to put your armies here? then we will beat you and Put our armies with you.

1 million Muslims are displaced because of your rubbish governments that came to our land. What if 40 million Americans were displaced ( Somalis are only 8 million so the ratio compared to US would be close to 40 million) just because of a war that was fought because another country didn't like that peoples policies. Since the U.S is the biggest power they see any country that doesn't follow its ideologies as an illegitimate government that must be taken out. Especially if that government has Oil. So scoot off back to Washington, London, and Moscow.
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Yeah..that's it. Somalia was a garden spot laden with milk and honey before the first US soldier ever set foot there (to aid a UN food mission, buy the way) years before the 9-11 attack and even before the AQ attacks on American embassies in Africa. Your thesis is so preposterous as to paint you as a mere caricature.

Do tell us how many cruise lines stopped at Magadishu to sample the welcoming culture and the famous Somali cuisine. Also, when Somalia exports its first drop of oil...please let us know.

BTW, when the Mujahadin marches into Addis Ababa, please post something here. That will be something to see. All the Kuffar forces will flee in disarray when the mighty Ethiopina war machine is crushed.
 
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Abayo look the ICU were shady but that's was something that could have been dealt with. But allah knows best if they were haw then Allah would never let them lose. What bothers me is the united states of the world coming and send ethio forces to fight us. One day they will regret everything and beg for mercy.
 

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