Briton faces lashes in Sudan over teddy named Mohammed

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I just want to quote brother Ansar:


Shaykh Muhammad Al-Khudayri cites some important ahadith on the attitude of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:
A Jewish man once greeted the Prophet (peace be upon him) by saying: “Death be upon you.” He used the Arabic word ‘sâm’, meaning ‘death’, in a parody of the Islamic greeting for peace which is the word ‘salâm’.

Though the Prophet (peace be upon him) knew exactly what the man had said, he paid it no heed and gently replied: “And upon you.” He did so without repeating the misused word “sâm” and behaved as if he had not noticed it.

However, Aishah, who had also heard what the man really said, immediately retorted: “And death be upon you and a curse as well!”

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Take it easy, A?’ishah. Allah loves kindness in everything.” In another narration of the story, it is related that he also said: “Beware of coarseness and indecency.”

A?ishah complained to the Prophet (peace be upon him) saying: “Didn’t you hear what they said?”

The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “Did you not hear my reply? I responded to their offensive supplication. My supplication will be answered by Allah while their supplication against me will not be answered.” [Sahîh al-Bukhârî and Sahîh Muslim]


Some of the Companions once asked the Prophet (peace be upon him) to pray to Allah to invoke His curse upon the pagans. He replied: “I was not sent to curse people but as a blessing. [Sahîh Muslim]

Also, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “It is not fitting for a sincere lover of truth to invoke curses.” [Sahîh Muslim]

And he said: “A believer should not invoke curses.” [Sunan al-Tirmidhî with authentic line of transmission]


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I think I answered this previously as well when I said, The conclusion was that Prophet Muhammad pbuh never allowed anyone to be killed for personal insults - he was the most forgiving to the extent that he forgave one who tried to poison him, and he forgave those who persecuted his followers and drove him out of his home..


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If a person is innocent, and didn't do something wrong purposely - they are not held accountable, and therefore do not receive a punishment. This is well known in our religious texts. The whole issue is taken out of proportion totally, and i'm sure its to give a bad message of Islam. And Allah knows best.
 
If a person is innocent, and didn't do something wrong purposely - they are not held accountable, and therefore do not receive a punishment. This is well known in our religious texts. The whole issue is taken out of proportion totally, and i'm sure its to give a bad message of Islam. And Allah knows best.
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I agree, the teacher who complained that it insulted Islam, the Police who arrested the teacher and closed the school down until the new year, and the Police who will now interview the little girl who owned the teddy bear. They all took it out of proportion, totally


It's a farce just like when they lashed a christian girl for nor wearing the Hijab back in 2003.

Islamic moderation 0 Islamaphobes 1.
 
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This does bring up an interesting point. The Teddy bear is a second innocent victim here, but what of the many millions of men named Muhammed? Surely, there are no small number who insult the prophet with un-Islamic behavior like vacationing in Lebanon or Cairo and having a fews nips of brandy or a prostitute or two.

Shouldn't they be flogged too?
 
bottom line is that this punishment was givien because she insulted the prophet...for you to say this isnt a radical form of islam is ridiculas..apparently the justice, or in this case, the unjustice system..in the sudan allows for such punishments based on their belief in islam..this IS THE DEFINATION OF RADICAL ISLAM..therefore this punishment in and of itself proves the there is radical islam alive and well in the goverment of the sudan....instead of saying I annoy you..why dont you start a letter writing campaing directed at the goverment of sudan for allowing this..all of the muslims on this board seem to think this is an unfair harsh punishment..so raise your voices..
 
Cognescenti said:
Shouldn't they be flogged too?
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The issue at hand is whether this was even a crime or not, especially since she didn't intend it as something insulting and made a mistake.


I strongly urge you to check these links out:

Criminal Law

Discover Islam Project


I think i even heard on the news that they would probably release her anyway, so yeah.



Hope you benefit from them links. :)



Regards.
 
chosen said:
bottom line is that this punishment was givien because she insulted the prophet...for you to say this isnt a radical form of islam is ridiculas..apparently the justice, or in this case, the unjustice system..in the sudan allows for such punishments based on their belief in islam..this IS THE DEFINATION OF RADICAL ISLAM..therefore this punishment in and of itself proves the there is radical islam alive and well in the goverment of the sudan....instead of saying I annoy you..why dont you start a letter writing campaing directed at the goverment of sudan for allowing this..all of the muslims on this board seem to think this is an unfair harsh punishment..so raise your voices..
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Is it "Radical Islam" or "Intolerant Muslims"?

As a non-believer, I often fine it difficult to figure out which it is.
 
- Qatada - said:
The issue at hand is whether this was even a crime or not, especially since she didn't intend it as something insulting and made a mistake.


I strongly urge you to check these links out:

Criminal Law

Discover Islam Project


I think i even heard on the news that they would probably release her anyway, so yeah.



Hope you benefit from them links. :)



Regards.
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Thank you sir for your thoughtful answer. I will check that out.
 
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A British primary school teacher in Sudan is facing 40 lashes and up to six months in prison after allowing her pupils to name a teddy bear after the prophet Mohammed.


Link to full story -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/26/wsudan226.xml

Your reaction?
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I've not read through the whole thread but i would think a 7 year old kid should be taught that it is not correct to name a moorat (haraam/with eyes) object after The Prophet of Allah Ta'aala as well as it is not allowed in the first place.
Allah knows best.
 
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even if they do let her go without the punishment...they will only be doing it to save face in the eyes of a shocked world, that can not believe this punishment was givin to begin with.....if this womens story never leaked to the media the punishment would have gone on as planned.what does this say to the world..
 
chosen said:
even if they do let her go without the punishment...they will only be doing it to save face in the eyes of a shocked world, that can not believe this punishment was givin to begin with.....if this womens story never leaked to the media the punishment would have gone on as planned.what does this say to the world..
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That's not the case at all, they may have released her anyway but playing the 'but' or 'what if' game won't get us nowhere. We hope she will be released soon without any harm.
 
Thats not the sace at all.."they may have realeased her anyway"....

maybe maybe not...but this should not even be a question..she should have never been charged..there was no crime..i feel for the children she teaches..what does this teach them..
 
chosen; said:
....what does this teach them..
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The muslims in Sudan don't understand Islam. And therefore they should not be allowed to run the place as the will give Islam a bad name.
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Last time I checked Sudan was 70% Muslim
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Turkey got Muslims which compromise more than 90% of the population.

does Sudan have Islamic laws in force or does it have mixed laws(some Islamic some from the Brits)?

I checked wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan#Politics

anyways we are talking about this coming verdict not about Sudan being Islamic or not.my point of view:irrational .this is one of the things I dislike(or rather hate) about Muslims;they make the biggest deals out of the smallest things and do nothing to fix major issues.
I feel sorry for the woman though;it's really unfortunate.
Insulting the Prophet pbuh is a major crime in an Islamic country and can sometimes carry the death penalty;however the woman here really didn't insult the Prophet pbuh;besides Mohammad is the most common name in the world(well learned it from a Trivia section a mag lol).

The muslims in Sudan don't understand Islam. And therefore they should not be allowed to run the place as the will give Islam a bad name.
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we are talking about Sudan.Isn't still torn by war or something?what can you expect from the judiciary of such a country?
 
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Greetings,

It's a ludicrous decision, of course. I gather that the name was the children's choice, not the teacher's. She tried to persuade them to give it another name, but they wouldn't budge. Pesky kids!

Unfortunately, this is just another in a long line of crazy legal decisions that continue to give fuel to the Islamophobes.

Peace
 
Alright, here's a reaction from a group of muslim clerics in Sudan. Don't know if this group is really as influential the article claims, but its in my opinion, a little nuts.

"But Sudan's top clerics said in a statement Wednesday that the full measure of the law should be applied against Gibbons, calling the incident part of a broader Western "plot" against Islam.

Northern Sudan's legal system is based on Islam's Sharia law, which harshly punishes blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad. Any depiction of the prophet is forbidden in Islam, for fear it would provoke idolatry. Caricatures of Muhammad in some European media last year sparked riots in several Muslim countries.

The Sudanese clerics said this was blasphemy and believed it was intentional.

"What has happened was not haphazard or carried out of ignorance, but rather a calculated action and another ring in the circles of plotting against Islam," the Sudanese Assembly of the Ulemas said the statement.

"It is part of the campaign of the so-called war against terrorism and the intense media campaign against Islam," they said.

The clerics said the "plot" was exemplified "in the writings of renegade Salman Rushdie and the blasphemous caricatures of Prophet Muhammad." Rushdie has received multiple death threats from hardline Muslims for publishing a novel questioning Muhammad's morals.

Sudan's Assembly of Ulemas is a semiofficial body of top preachers, clerics and scholars of Islam. It is generally viewed as a moderate body that has the ear of the Sudanese government."

If true, these guys are just a wee bit paranoid.

Its taken from this updated story - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sudan_british_teacher;_ylt=AgtxjfSg.KvPTY02xpEJCpcDW7oF
 
Greetings,
Gator said:
Sudan's Assembly of Ulemas is a semiofficial body of top preachers, clerics and scholars of Islam. It is generally viewed as a moderate body that has the ear of the Sudanese government."
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These are the guys at the top of the intellectual food chain? Good grief! They've clearly got nothing better to do all day than sit around fostering their victim complex.

Peace
 
It is a classic Catch 22. We are told their is a Quranic order that the "non-believer" is to be accepted in an Isalmic land (as long as he pays his taxes :D)...unless...wait for it....the "non-believer" (aka, Kuffar, Kuffar swine, Kuffar dog, infidel etc etc) does something, perhaps even out of ignorance, that reveals him to be a "non-believer".

Then he is in deep doodoo.
 
Cognescenti said:
It is a classic Catch 22. We are told their is a Quranic order that the "non-believer" is to be accepted in an Isalmic land (as long as he pays his taxes :D)...unless...wait for it....the "non-believer" does something, perhaps even out of ignorance, that reveals him to be a "non-believer".

Then he is in deep doodoo.
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About the non muslim in an Islamic state;

Sahih Bukhary:

Volumn 009, Book 083, Hadith Number 049.
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Narated By 'Abdullah bin 'Amr : The Prophet said,

"Whoever killed a Mu'ahid (a person who is granted the pledge of protection by the Muslims) shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be smelt at a distance of forty years (of traveling)."

And a Quote what is mentioned in Islamqa in one of the Fatwa:

"The non muslims who are protected by sharee’ah (laws of islam) are of three types:

1 – Al-dhimmi. This is one with whom we have a contract or treaty of al-dhimmah (i.e., one who lives in a Muslim state)

2 – Al-mu’aahad. This is one with whose people we have a peace treaty.

3– Al-musta’man. This is one who has entered the Muslim land and has been guaranteed safety, such as those who come to do business, to work, to visit relatives, and so on."


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The rest of your statement is false.

Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

[Qur'an 60: 8]


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I think the thread might be closed soon if it heats up, since it's not really getting anywhere except saying things about Islam which aren't even true.
 
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