America - nation in Sea of Booze

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If you are going to lament over americas flaws in this category....we should also speak of the fact hasish (pot) is openly smoked in eygpt and yemen...poppies are the crop of choice in afganistan (where 80% of the worlds supply comes from)...I think that it would be far more beneficial for humanity as a whole not to single out any one nation/culture when speaking of intoxicants.."by the way I have been to eygpt on two seperate occasions and know of what I speak.) You can find kids smoking pot in amercia.but lol, not in a coffee shop where the owner provides the hookaas to put the hash in, and sits there with you and talks while you smoke....
If you are going to lament over americas flaws in this category.

Right, but you see, the thread creater is an American who is only interested in bashing America.

It is not the land he loves, it is the land he hates.
 
It is not the land he loves, it is the land he hates.

I think you need to step outside your sandbox and look at the bigger picture.

The point of this post was to highlight the problem so rampant in america unlike any other western or eastern nation. Alcohol is a major problem and disease and is detrimental to the well being of any society. It's sad to see americans embracing this chaotic way of life....
 
I think you need to step outside your sandbox and look at the bigger picture.

The point of this post was to highlight the problem so rampant in america unlike any other western or eastern nation. Alcohol is a major problem and disease and is detrimental to the well being of any society. It's sad to see americans embracing this chaotic way of life....

Alcohol is a major problem. I don't dismiss that in any way shape of form.

I know people who have suffered greatly from the problem.

But when you offer a helping hand, it has a mouse trap in it. :D

Your facts are true but your purpose is just your continued hatred of America.
 
The point of this post was to highlight the problem so rampant in america unlike any other western or eastern nation.

If that is the case you have failed rather miserably. I don't see anything about any other nation that provides comparative evidence to support that claim. The numbers actually show alcohol consumption varies widely across the US and levels are broadly similar to all the Western European countries. The list is far from comprehensive... I suspect a little research will reveal the problem is as bad, if not worse, in Russia and parts of Eastern Europe for example. It certainly is in parts of South America.. try visiting Punta Arenas sometime!
 
If that is the case you have failed rather miserably. I don't see anything about any other nation that provides comparative evidence to support that claim. The numbers actually show alcohol consumption varies widely across the US and levels are broadly similar to all the Western European countries. The list is far from comprehensive... I suspect a little research will reveal the problem is as bad, if not worse, in Russia and parts of Eastern Europe for example. It certainly is in parts of South America.. try visiting Punta Arenas sometime!

You should learn to read first before replying....

Other countries drink also, no doubt. Italy doesn't even have age limit and even kids drink there. But again the PROBLEM is in the US. Read the article again about American univs/colleges and the whole alcoholic culture in the US.


But when you offer a helping hand, it has a mouse trap in it. :D

Your facts are true but your purpose is just your continued hatred of America.

I learn from the kuffars i live among :D
 
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Hashim said:
Drinking was forbidden in Islam for many reasons.

I have learnt about Islam from visiting this forum.

A glass of red wine per day is healthy for a person. But 1 person in 1,000 is an alchaholic. And therefore Islam says that the other 999 cannot drink red wine.

But Islam is OK with cigarettes. They kill more than red wine does. But they were not available at the time of the prophet and therefore nobody cares!

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I have learnt about Islam from visiting this forum.

A glass of red wine per day is healthy for a person. But 1 person in 1,000 is an alchaholic. And therefore Islam says that the other 999 cannot drink red wine.

But Islam is OK with cigarettes. They kill more than red wine does. But they were not available at the time of the prophet and therefore nobody cares!

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sorry but islam is not ok with cigarettes... islam is not ok with anything that can harm your body, especially something that is known to harm everyone like cigarettes:smile:
 
sorry but islam is not ok with cigarettes... islam is not ok with anything that can harm your body, especially something that is known to harm everyone like cigarettes:smile:


well,

u see my dear sis...islam is against everything which harms ur body.yes..but the issue of cigarettes is a convoluted one.

there is no precise ruling on the consumption of cigrattes. so it is labelled makrooh and is advised as 'haraam' when the body is at the state of dying due to cigrattes and the doctor says 'no more!'...

things like alchohol have been ruled out of islam both in ayah and in hadeeth,,,

peace.
 
well,

u see my dear sis...islam is against everything which harms ur body.yes..but the issue of cigarettes is a convoluted one.

there is no precise ruling on the consumption of cigrattes. so it is labelled makrooh and is advised as 'haraam' when the body is at the state of dying due to cigrattes and the doctor says 'no more!'...

things like alchohol have been ruled out of islam both in ayah and in hadeeth,,,

peace.

well i dont think its a "convoluted one"... its actually quite clear...it is an epidemic that is seriously damaging our society and dimishing our health... isn't it?:D
 
Cigarettes have been around for 500 years.

How long does it take to make a decision?

(Hint: they don't get a mention in the koran)



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it is convoluted in islamm...

we cannot make a ruling on issues as 'haraam' or 'halal'...we are not Allah.tovbe.

to make a decison is not our place...great imaams can make fatwas...and their fatwas are 'convoluted' in the way which i directed below..people can accept whichever view they feel is teh best...

w/s
 
it is convoluted in islamm...

we cannot make a ruling on issues as 'haraam' or 'halal'...we are not Allah.tovbe.

to make a decison is not our place...great imaams can make fatwas...and their fatwas are 'convoluted' in the way which i directed below..people can accept whichever view they feel is teh best...

w/s

:heated:stop writing teh mannn:grumbling
 
I agree with that, but the American experience with Prohibition wasn't a good one. People are going to drink, and to be frank, drinking alcohol is almost a tradition with most Caucasian ethnicities. Not sure what the answer to the problem is...

islam
 
Emblems of the Bush Age: Adrift in a Sea of Booze

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Politicians here still parrot Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign against teen drug use. Barrack Obama's in trouble for supposedly having told teens as part of his counseling that he too used bad drugs including heroin.

right here is what proves counterpunch to be a load of crap, Obama said he used marijuana and cocaine, he never used heroin... I always find it is the more subtle misconveyances that make the biggest differences and counterpunch has perfected it
 
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as for drinking regularly and the effects to society I do agree with the article. I have been a heavy drinker my whole life, in college I drank excessively and I think I drank my first beer at 17, and it is a hard habit to kick. I dont drink excessively anymore but at night before I go to bed I find it difficult to fall asleep unless i have a drink of whiskey. Alcohol is no doubt a downfall in society but as someone else said it is also a kind of "tradition".... Sadly I dont think there is anyway to solve it for our generation, we have already been brought up how we are, the best thing that could happen is for parents of this generation to show their kids a better way and hope that they dont fall into the same trap
 
And among many tribal people in Asia too (especially the Dayak in Borneo)...

Alcohol consumption is world wide, it is not limited to any one culture. It seems to be one of the first things people discover. Then again to live in a temperate to tropical climate it is nearly impossible to stop the natural production of alcohol. In the tropics you are going to have wine if you leave any fruit out for over a day or two. Fruit juices will naturally turn into wine if you try to store them without pasteurizing them.

Nearly every tribe in Africa will have their own alcoholic concoction that they drink heavily. Same with the American Indian tribes in South America. I found that in desert areas where fruit is scarce people will make wines out of milk, honey, vegetables, cactus, etc. In my younger non-Islamic past I discovered that you could always find home made date wine in Iran, Iraq and Saudi. I found that many villagers did not believe date wine contained alcohol, because it was not made from grapes.

Now if we are speaking of commercially produced alcohol products I believe the Western World has the largest variety. But, I doubt if there are any nations in which people do not consume alcohol. In the countries where it is restricted or forbidden, is where you find the most home recipes for making it.

The per capita consumption of bought alcoholic drinks can be measured and it is quite high:

The per capita annual consumption by the 30 largest consumers of bought Alcohol is:

#1 Luxembourg: 15.5 litres per capita

#2 France: 14.8 litres per capita

#3 Ireland: 13.5 litres per capita

#4 Hungary: 13.4 litres per capita

#5 Czech Republic: 12.1 litres per capita

#6 Spain: 11.7 litres per capita

#7 Denmark: 11.5 litres per capita

#8 Portugal: 11.4 litres per capita

#9 United Kingdom: 11.2 litres per capita

#10 Austria: 11.1 litres per capita

#11 Switzerland: 10.8 litres per capita

#12 Belgium: 10.7 litres per capita

#13 Germany: 10.2 litres per capita

#14 Australia: 9.8 litres per capita

#15 Netherlands: 9.7 litres per capita

#16 Korea, South: 9.3 litres per capita

#17 Finland: 9.3 litres per capita

#18 Greece: 9.2 litres per capita

#19 New Zealand: 8.9 litres per capita

#20 United States: 8.3 litres per capita

#21 Poland: 8.1 litres per capita

#22 Italy: 8 litres per capita

#23 Canada: 7.8 litres per capita

#24 Slovakia: 7.6 litres per capita

#25 Japan: 7.6 litres per capita

#26 Sweden: 7 litres per capita

#27 Iceland: 6.5 litres per capita

#28 Norway: 6 litres per capita

#29 Mexico: 4.6 litres per capita

#30 Turkey: 1.5 litres per capita

Source:http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_alc_con-food-alcohol-consumption-current

Now if we look at the mid eastern countries, for the LEGAL consumption of alcohol:

Afghanistan AFG 0.0

Algeria DZA 0.1

Bahrain BHR 7.0

Cyprus CYP 11.5

Egypt EGY 0.2

Iran, Islamic Rep
IRN 0.0

Iraq IRQ 0.2

Israel ISR 2.5

Jordan JOR 0.3

Kuwait KWT 0.0

Lebanon LBN 3.2

Libyan Arab Jamahiriya LBY 0.0

Morocco MAR 0.4

Oman OMN 0.3

Qatar QAT 4.4

Saudi Arabia SAU 0.0

Syrian Arab Rep SYR 0.5

Tunisia TUN 1.2

Turkey TUR 1.4

United Arab Emirates ARE 0.0

Yemen YEM 0.0

source: http://earthtrends.wri.org/searchable_db/index.php?step=countries&ccID%5B%5D=3&allcountries=checkbox&theme=4&variable_ID=1186&action=select_years

The only countries that have no legal consumption are the countries in which it is illegal, so any consumption is illegal and not noted.

The point being is the United States is not the highest per capita user of alcohol and that the use of alcohol is a world wide issue, not limited to any nation or region.
 
it is convoluted in islamm...

we cannot make a ruling on issues as 'haraam' or 'halal'...we are not Allah.tovbe.

to make a decison is not our place...great imaams can make fatwas...and their fatwas are 'convoluted' in the way which i directed below..people can accept whichever view they feel is teh best...

w/s

Those who claim "differences of opinion" are either ignorant or looking for some shayd shake to justify their haraam means.

The fatwas of reputable scholars are not "convoluted" but rather based on the Quran and sunnah and a fact of life. Anyone with a decent amount of islamic knowledge will tell you that cigrettes are haraam.

Islam says that your body has a right over you and you can't do anything that harms your body. Allah says do not throw yourself in path of destruction. Prophet (saws) says your body is a LOAN to you and Allah will question you on how you take care of that loan when He takes it back from you.

It's a fact that smoking causes lung cancer, sends your health down the drain, and in essence is nothing more than slow rate suicide. Rather then taking a poison and killing yourself right now, you're smoking to slowly kill yourself over time till your lungs collapse or your heart gives away.

Ruling on smoking
 
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