Israel Murders 32 Palestinians and kidnapped hundreds

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Israeli and Palestinian Children Killed Since September 29, 2000

119 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 971 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000. (View Source)


1,027 Israelis and at least 4,345 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000. (View Source)


7,633 Israelis and 31,531 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000. (View Source)


The U.S. gives more than $7,023,288 per day to the Israeli government and military and gives no money to the Palestinians. (View Source)


Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted bynone. (View Source)


1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel. (View Source)


The Israeli unemployment rate is 9%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 40%. (View Source)


Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land. (View Source)


Who is a terrorist and who is a victim here? Who supports terrorists and who doesn't?


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Don't millions of Palestinian refuges deserve a land?


Jimmy Carter, “Palestine Peace Not Apartheid”




I"ll see if i can find it.

A very disturbing trend. It raises a question for me. "Is this the result of Muslims not doing enough or is it a result of Muslims using ineffective methods?" Another option, could it be a little of each?

Either way, something needs to be done, if Palestine is to be a Nation. I do agree the USA needs to stop assisting Israel. Palestinians need assistance in the form of economy and education. Does more need to be done, yes. But, I do not know what the most beneficial support for Palestine is.

 

[Keltoi]

This is why the Palestinian use of terrorism has done so much harm to their cause.

There are two basic realities at play here.

1. The Palestinians cannot defeat Israel militarily. The only hope they have to gain a Palestinian state is international pressure on Israel to withdraw settlements and seriously pursue a peace deal.

2. Why does Israel get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to killing Palestinians? Terrorism. It started with Munich(in large part) and it continues to this day. Every time Israeli teenagers are blown to bits by a suicide bomber, the less sympathy there will be for any Palestinian cause.

Of course I understand what many Palestinians would say. "What about our children?" There should obviously be no difference in the moral outrage between dead Israeli children or dead Palestinian children.

It boils down to perception. The Palestinians, meaning primarily the PLO and Hamas, engaged in indiscriminate murder of Israeli civilians, many of who were children or young adults. The moral high ground was automatically given to Israel, rightly or wrongly. People from all over the world saw the results of the Intifada on their television screens for years, and it had an adverse effect for the Palestinians as a whole.

 

[sudais1]

When it comes to losing a war against the Jews don't you mean "again"...as in "never again" ?

The Arabs fought for their own reasons. Not for an Islamic State. Is said Muslims as in the context of an Islamic fought war not an Arab

 

[Cognescenti]

The Arabs fought for their own reasons. Not for an Islamic State. Is said Muslims as in the context of an Islamic fought war not an Arab

I knew you were going to say that. That is the rote response for anything that goes wrong in an "Islamic country".

Problem X is because the government does not adhere to Islamic teachings.

or

President X is an apostate.

or

King X is corrupted by Western influences.

or

Sharia embarrassment Y is because the locals are uneducated.


Of course, for variety, it is also good to throw in some conspiratorial stuff like:

Israel won War X only because American aircraft carriers participated in the fight.

The same argument is advanced to explain the failure of Communist states..."it was not a true worker's state"...yada, yada yada

This is not to equate Islam with Communism, of course, or even to blame Islam for the many failed states, but your notion that if only the opponenets of Israel were pure at heart then everything would be OK seem fairly naive to me. We are talking about the real world, are we not?

 

[MTAFFI]

This is why the Palestinian use of terrorism has done so much harm to their cause.

There are two basic realities at play here.

1. The Palestinians cannot defeat Israel militarily. The only hope they have to gain a Palestinian state is international pressure on Israel to withdraw settlements and seriously pursue a peace deal.

2. Why does Israel get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to killing Palestinians? Terrorism. It started with Munich(in large part) and it continues to this day. Every time Israeli teenagers are blown to bits by a suicide bomber, the less sympathy there will be for any Palestinian cause.

Of course I understand what many Palestinians would say. "What about our children?" There should obviously be no difference in the moral outrage between dead Israeli children or dead Palestinian children.

It boils down to perception. The Palestinians, meaning primarily the PLO and Hamas, engaged in indiscriminate murder of Israeli civilians, many of who were children or young adults. The moral high ground was automatically given to Israel, rightly or wrongly. People from all over the world saw the results of the Intifada on their television screens for years, and it had an adverse effect for the Palestinians as a whole.

correctumundo

 

[islamirama]

It boils down to perception. The Palestinians, meaning primarily the PLO and Hamas, engaged in indiscriminate murder of Israeli civilians, many of who were children or young adults. The moral high ground was automatically given to Israel, rightly or wrongly. People from all over the world saw the results of the Intifada on their television screens for years, and it had an adverse effect for the Palestinians as a whole.

Perception too is based on what you are being fed. When you have zionist controlled media that shows intifada and other actions of the palestinians and hides everything the zionists terrorists do then yes that will give a wrong impression of one side and not the other. Do you know zionist have a whole company whose sole purpose is PR to the world in making zionist look good and innocent and make palestinians look like violent people.

How long do you think israel would really exist, how long US will support it and how long before Muslims attack israel in large masses and americans pressure their US to shut up and back up if someone was showing this in the media ....

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

 

[Keltoi]

Perception too is based on what you are being fed. When you have zionist controlled media that shows intifada and other actions of the palestinians and hides everything the zionists terrorists do then yes that will give a wrong impression of one side and not the other. Do you know zionist have a whole company whose sole purpose is PR to the world in making zionist look good and innocent and make palestinians look like violent people.

How long do you think israel would really exist, how long US will support it and how long before Muslims attack israel in large masses and americans pressure their US to shut up and back up if someone was showing this in the media ....

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive/atrocities.htm

Blaming the media for reporting on Palestinian suicide bombers isn't even logical. The media didn't create this situation. We all know that Hamas and others embraced suicide terrorism as their strategy. The Palestinians are living with that decision. That doesn't mean those who despise Hamas and the other terrorist supporting groups think Israel is blameless or innocent. Most rational people understand quite well that Israel has also committed unforgivable crimes in its attempt to counter Hamas and the PLO.

The question is this. Should the Palestinian authorities, most of whom have supported terrorist activities, have the right to condemn Israel for committing violent actions against them? If you have vocally supported the murder of Israeli citizens, should one be suprised if your own citizens are killed? This is why terrorism is a horrible strategy if one is even remotely concerned about the welfare of a people. You are basically giving those you kill a blank check to respond in kind...perhaps even respond double.

I think Arafat figured this out before he died, and I think Abbas understands this. Hamas obviously doesn't, and the Palestinians will suffer more because of it.

 

[snakelegs]

i don't think there is any sincere desire for peace by the leaders on either side and both sides continue to do things that don't work over and over and over. to me, it appears that it will go on like this forever and is totally hopeless.

 

[SATalha]

Exactly i think this is a very valid point most of the images that we see on TV help shape our views even if we dont directl think about it. A few Scotish researchers wrote a book about the media information that we recieve about Palestine and Isreal. The books called "Bad News From Israel". I reccomend people to track that book and read it.

 

[MTAFFI]

i don't think there is any sincere desire for peace by the leaders on either side and both sides continue to do things that don't work over and over and over. to me, it appears that it will go on like this forever and is totally hopeless.

i wouldnt say forever, if you take a look at the map that was posted earlier i cant imagine Palestine will even be here in 10 or 15 more years.

 

[snakelegs]

mtaffi,
you are quite right. probably in 25 years most national borders will be quite different, some states will disappear all together and some new ones will be created.
thanks for the perspective.

 

[Cognescenti]

Exactly i think this is a very valid point most of the images that we see on TV help shape our views even if we dont directl think about it. A few Scotish researchers wrote a book about the media information that we recieve about Palestine and Isreal. The books called "Bad News From Israel". I reccomend people to track that book and read it.

You know, I used to be quite supportive of Palestinian claims and opposed to the annoying Jewish claims on territory based on 5000 year old texts.

I still think the claims of Jewish settlers are largely invalid and that many settlements will have to go to gain peace but I have just had it with the Palestinians. A large number sided with Saddam in GWI and a large number literally danced in the streets after 9-11. They have wasted hundreds of millions of dollars of international support through incompetence, graft and infighting. Every dispute is solved with a gun. Every block seems to be someon'e fiefdom. Arafat's wife lives on a pension in Paris. They vote for a group that has the destruction of Israel in it's charter. Every problem is blamed on an outsider. It's like an island full of preteens in Lord of the Flies.

Basta! Enough already! Quit whining and make peace.

 

[islamirama]

You know, I used to be quite supportive of Palestinian claims and opposed to the annoying Jewish claims on territory based on 5000 year old texts.

I still think the claims of Jewish settlers are largely invalid and that many settlements will have to go to gain peace but I have just had it with the Palestinians. A large number sided with Saddam in GWI and a large number literally danced in the streets after 9-11. They have wasted hundreds of millions of dollars of international support through incompetence, graft and infighting. Every dispute is solved with a gun. Every block seems to be someon'e fiefdom. Arafat's wife lives on a pension in Paris. They vote for a group that has the destruction of Israel in it's charter. Every problem is blamed on an outsider. It's like an island full of preteens in Lord of the Flies.

Basta! Enough already! Quit whining and make peace.

You have every right to feel as you do but please have the courtesy and respect for the people whom you feel against by correcting your information first.

Many palestinians supported saddam and do love him, know why? becuase he's the only muslim leader that continued to support the Palestinians and spoke out against the zionists. He is their only voice from muslim leaders.

As for dancing in the steets. I saw that video too and the lies media told the americans. Those people where dancing at something else at that time. I think it had something to do with winning a soccer match that they saw on tv. And it was also maybe 10 ppl and not whole of palestine. Aren't you being like those zionists you dislike by generalizing that little video to all the palestinians?

 

[wilberhum]

As for dancing in the steets. I saw that video too and the lies media told the americans. Those people where dancing at something else at that time. I think it had something to do with winning a soccer match that they saw on tv. And it was also maybe 10 ppl and not whole of palestine. Aren't you being like those zionists you dislike by generalizing that little video to all the palestinians?

You are always willing to accept anything that supports you bias openion.

The video has been proven to be true.
Most everyone knows that.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

You are always willing to accept anything that supports you bias openion.

The video has been proven to be true.
Most everyone knows that.

I think you are wrong this time. The other person didn't made this up. I believe CNN was sued for airing that viseo. If not mistaken, they were celebrating a wedding. I will try to find a reliable source and come back. These Zionists controlled media are very clever. They don't spread propaganda on a large scale(FOX News would be an exception) but slowly creep in here and there some misquotes and wrong video fottage. Bloody Pigs.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Israel currently has 223 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

That country is NOT Israel, nor could it ever hope to be. They are a bunch of fakes and posers. On the one hand they refuse to obey the ruling of the International courts because (they say) they only have to obey Holy Law. You may as well know, they have violated Holy Law as well! They have no right to "inherit" the lands of the brothers they slaughtered, the real Israelites, not even by inter-tribal marriages. See pre-nuptials below:

So shall no inheritance be removed from one tribe to another; for the tribes of the children of Israel shall cleave each one to its own inheritance.

Sefer Misparim (Book of Numbers), Chapter 36, verse 9.

Their "entitlement" are the tribal lands of Benjamin and Judah (only those who obeyed the law... eg: no mixed marriages, etc). In truth they have defied Holy Law so many times over, I've lost count. Where I come from (United States of America) a person who kills their relative to obtain his or her property... goes to jail for murder. Likewise, a person who pretends to be someone they're not in order to benefit from the other's identity is charged with... identity theft.

It makes my blood boil. Going to take a cold shower now.

The Ninth Scribe

 

[wilberhum]

I think you are wrong this time. The other person didn't made this up. I believe CNN was sued for airing that viseo. If not mistaken, they were celebrating a wedding. I will try to find a reliable source and come back. These Zionists controlled media are very clever. They don't spread propaganda on a large scale(FOX News would be an exception) but slowly creep in here and there some misquotes and wrong video fottage. Bloody Pigs.

You are mistaken. That lie has been debunked a thousand times.
Denial is an ugly dress, no one should ware it.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

You are mistaken. That lie has been debunked a thousand times.
Denial is an ugly dress, no one should ware it.

Where is the debunking? I swear I heard they got sued on Tv or was it on the internet. I just can't seem to recall. Well, let's not make a big deal out of it. Whether they did celebrate or not(I'm waiting for your debunking), it was only a small number and your generalisation of it is a disgrace to yourself only.

I am not in a denial. If you say it was debunked, I believe you but this would be not the first time the media has done this. During the Iraq war, they creeped in some old fottage of Iraqis celebrating on the streets which was taken during the Gulf War. Indeed there were Iraqis Celebrating on the streets(mostly Shiites) when Saddam's statues were brought down but some fottage were **** obvious aired before.

 

[wilberhum]

Where is the debunking? I swear I heard they got sued on Tv or was it on the internet. I just can't seem to recall. Well, let's not make a big deal out of it. Whether they did celebrate or not(I'm waiting for your debunking), it was only a small number and your generalisation of it is a disgrace to yourself only.

I am not in a denial. If you say it was debunked, I believe you but this would be not the first time the media has done this. During the Iraq war, they creeped in some old fottage of Iraqis celebrating on the streets which was taken during the Gulf War. Indeed there were Iraqis Celebrating on the streets(mostly Shiites) when Saddam's statues were brought down but some fottage were **** obvious aired before.

Thought I would look it up for you.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp

CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew,

Read it all if you like.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Thought I would look it up for you.
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp


Read it all if you like.

Well, thanks for the link. Guess, I was quick to grasp the rumor that it was a wrong fottage. But at least, you know why! I am ashamed of what they did but I do understand why they did it. I think I would have celebrated as well if I was in their shows. Seriously, America did deserve that but not those Americans. Poor fellas.