wHY ??

[al-muslimah]

So… who defines whether or not the glorious holy warriors who committed these murders are “true” muslims or not?


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071209...omen_killed;_ylt=AqgLgkAGhRPB8g3stXWatW2s0NUE

:giggling:By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer 13 minutes ago

and your point is....................?

 

[al-muslimah]

The mujahideen are the only ones who are actually improving our condition and care about the ummah.Plus their brothers and teachers, the hard-working scholars of Islam, who are either dead or locked in the prisons of the tawaghit.Our victory is near.

 

[wilberhum]

and your point is....................?

Wow, back with total lack of understanding.

Amazing.

Who unlocked the door? :hmm:

 

[snakelegs]

i see our rent-a-jihadi-especially-for-forums* is back again.

*actually, i have been informed by a reliable source that usually they are bought wholesale as it is cheaper than renting.

 

[al-muslimah]

And you guys are trying to say.............? I really get confused when athiests talk.

 

[al-muslimah]

Wow, back with total lack of understanding.

Amazing.

Who unlocked the door? :hmm:

Are u still asleep wilber?????

 

[snakelegs]

i'm not an atheist. i believe in one god.
what i am saying is that almost all your posts are:
jihad jihad jihadity jihad. i guess it would be safe to say it's a hobby.

 

[al-muslimah]

i'm not an atheist. i believe in one god.
what i am saying is that almost all your posts are:
jihad jihad jihadity jihad. i guess it would be safe to say it's a hobby.

My posts are islamic.jihad is part of Islam.You believe in one god?:hmm:Well if that is so you should believe in Islam as well because belief in One God and rejection of tenets ofIslam is not belief in one god.

 

[snakelegs]

yes, jihad is indeed part of islam and i accept that.
it seems to be your favourite part.
it would be too off topic to discuss my religious views here - i just wanted to clarify that i am not an atheist. if you think that because i am not muslim, i don't believe in one god, that's fine with me.

 

[Rou]

yes, jihad is indeed part of islam and i accept that.
it seems to be your favourite part.
it would be too off topic to discuss my religious views here - i just wanted to clarify that i am not an atheist. if you think that because i am not muslim, i don't believe in one god, that's fine with me.

to all.....

This is just to clarify to you of what you speak....

Jihad translates to struggle may this be the struggle of the heart, the mind or the body....you struggle to support your family...or to keep yourself fit...

There are many forms of jihad...as for it being the favourite part of islam...it is but every muslims fate to struggle in islam....

However if your meaning was jihad as in war...this is a misconception of the word...as for war being the favourite part of islam...there is no part of the quran that has ever stated any muslim to start wars...

so it would put starting wars as probably the last thing on a muslims mind...

 

[snakelegs]

to all.....

This is just to clarify to you of what you speak....

Jihad translates to struggle may this be the struggle of the heart, the mind or the body....you struggle to support your family...or to keep yourself fit...

There are many forms of jihad...as for it being the favourite part of islam...it is but every muslims fate to struggle in islam....

However if your meaning was jihad as in war...this is a misconception of the word...as for war being the favourite part of islam...there is no part of the quran that has ever stated any muslim to start wars...

so it would put starting wars as probably the last thing on a muslims mind...

no, i know that and i don't have a problem with jihaad. it is just that this seems to be the very favourite subject of that particular member.
btw, what happened to your wolf?

 

[Rou]

no, i know that and i don't have a problem with jihaad. it is just that this seems to be the very favourite subject of that particular member.
btw, what happened to your wolf?

i had put him to rest but seems people want him back...

so....

Jihad in the sense of struggling is fine to be favoured however allah dislikes the slaying of any human...war is not prescribed....defence however is every muslims duty...

but again...to harm an innocent is not the path of allah...

 

[snakelegs]

i know.
the wolf is cool. :thumbs_up

 

[Rou]

i know.
the wolf is cool. :thumbs_up

Thank you brother

 

[barney]

I'm wondering how, when evry post someone writes is about the Fighty-killy Jihad, when questioned on it, Jihad is suddenly the struggle in ones soul to do good deeds.

Anyone with a base knowlage of Islam knows about the lesser and greater Jihad and what the prophet said about it.

 

[Rou]

I'm wondering how, when evry post someone writes is about the Fighty-killy Jihad, when questioned on it, Jihad is suddenly the struggle in ones soul to do good deeds.

Anyone with a base knowlage of Islam knows about the lesser and greater Jihad and what the prophet said about it.

struggle to do ones best not good deeds but yes it can be doing good deeds aswell...

as for what many say in threads...im not sure perhaps they can answer that for you...

the base of knowledge of islam...a rocky path is what i say but indeed what does the prophet say about it...or more importantly what does allah say about it?

 

[barney]

The lesser Jihad is War and the Greater is the struggle for the soul.

Having said that, the rewards for the killy Jihad are much greater than the internal struggle. And TBH it's a darn sight easier. Gain paradise by a lifetimes wrestling with the inner being, or simply die whilst trying to kill someone that God tells you to.

 

[snakelegs]

i think that is a weak hadith, but i'm not sure about that.
war is a reality, oppression is a reality, occupation is a reality. islam is not a pacifist religion.

 

[Rou]

The lesser Jihad is War and the Greater is the struggle for the soul.

Having said that, the rewards for the killy Jihad are much greater than the internal struggle. And TBH it's a darn sight easier. Gain paradise by a lifetimes wrestling with the inner being, or simply die whilst trying to kill someone that God tells you to.

002.058
And when We said: Go into this township and eat freely of that which is therein, and enter the gate prostrate, and say: "Repentance." We will forgive you your sins and will increase (reward) for the right-doers.

Far simpler just to do good....is it not? bow and say repentanc or blow someone up? i know which i would choose...


002.085
After this it is ye, the same people, who slay among yourselves, and banish a party of you from their homes; assist (Their enemies) against them, in guilt and rancour; and if they come to you as captives, ye ransom them, though it was not lawful for you to banish them. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do.

Seems the idea of killing people (killy jihad as you call it) is quite risky hmmm...slaying people and banshing them sounds risky to me....dont seem so favoured to me?

004.040
Lo! Allah wrongeth not even of the weight of an ant; and if there is a good deed, He will double it and will give (the doer) from His presence an immense reward.

Again saving a kitten is easier than slaying a tiger....

005.009To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward.

Far easier than flying a plane and then killing yourself...

007.042But those who believe and work righteousness,- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear,- they will be Companions of the Garden, therein to dwell (for ever).

Doing a good deed is childs play...killing...is not....

008.060
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

I thought you might like this one? (killy jihad) the reward seems to be well? not that much really? i get back what i put in? no mention of amazing rewards? i took the step of adding the next verse in aswell below ...

008.061
But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things).

(Killy jihad) doesnt seem that favourable by the looks of it...not over peace anyhow...

i hope this is enough to help you understand a bit better about (killy jihad) there are many diffrent rewards and punishments such as fire for those who lift a sword against even an enemy who lowers his sword?

seems in the balance of harming someone to get to heaven and just doing good deeds....

good deeds is far safer and easier...

where as harming someone is way to complicated...might harm an innocent and end up in the fire...

search as you may the rewards for good deeds out weighes the killing of any human innocent or not ten fold....

I hope this helps brother....

 

[barney]

Thanks for the quotes, and peace to you brother.
I really wish that all the quotes you provided were the only ones. But they have to fight agains other scripture and hadith such as....

Narrated Abu Huraira: A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, 'Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward).' He replied, 'I do not find such a deed.' Then he added, 'Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?' The man said, 'But who can do that?' Abu- Huraira added, 'The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope.' Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 45

Abu Hurairah narrated: “A companion passed by a valley wherein was a well with refreshing water which surprised him. After he said: ‘Supposing I removed myself from the company of people and I lived in this place (for the purpose of ‘ibaadah) but I couldn’t do that until I received permission from Rasulullaah (s.a.w). Would that be the most eminent thing to do towards Rasulullaah (s.a.w)?’ The Prophet (s.a.w) said: ‘Don’t do that, because the existence of one from amongst you Fi Sabilillaah is more eminent than Salat made at home for 70 years. Don’t you want to receive forgiveness from Allah and for Him to allow you into Jannah? Ughzuu Fii Sabiilillaah (wage war in the way of Allah), whoever fights in the way of Allah for as long as it takes a camel to recover from one milking to the next, surely Jannah is obligatory for him.” [Narrated by Tirmidhi and he said: Hadith hasan, Baihaqi and Al-Hakim said: Sahih according to Muslim’s methods].

Imam Ahmad: Sabrah bin Al Faqih states: I heard Rasulullaah (s.a.w) say: “Indeed Shaitaan waits to deter mankind…..so Shaitaan waits in the way of Jihad. He says to the person who intends Jihad: “Do you want to perform Jihad, when Jihad destroys the soul and finishes off your wealth? Do you want to fight, when you can be killed, your wife can remarry and your wealth divided?”… [Musnad Ahmad 3/483. Isnad hasan].


Allah Says: “Jihad is ordained for you though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.”

A man asked Rasulullaah (s.a.w): “..and what is Jihad?” He (s.a.w) replied: “You fight against the disbelievers when you meet them (on the battlefield).” He asked again: “What kind of Jihad is the highest?” He (s.a.w) replied: “The person who is killed whilst spilling the last of his blood.” [Narrated by Ahmad in his Musnad 4/114 - Hadith sahih. Al Haithami states: “Narrators upheld it.” Majmauz Zawaid 1/59].

I could carry on pretty much all day here.