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Brown announced a new strategy today. Concentrating on rebuilding rather than suppressing the tallys.

Hmm. That will turn rapidly into a we build a powerplant, the tallys knock it down...regardless if it's powering life support equipment in a hospital.

Still, theres a lot to do to help the Afgans and we have to do it in spite of their tormenters.
 
That was your claim, not mine :D

Where did you learn that increase in the number of troops becomes a surety for success :D

my claim is that when the troop levels are increased success should follow, and probably will. Your statement above didnt make any sense in relation to my comment, hence my retort.

As for your second sentence :D, a troop increase does not mean automatic victory, but if 50,000 troops, mostly NATO forces who dont really ever make much aggression towards the Taliban can manage to hold them from taking the capital and taking the country, then what would 150,000 troops or 200,000 troops do? The Taliban havent been that much of a challenge to be honest with you, everytime they fight they lose men, everytime they fight they lose ground, the US knows this, the worlds military commanders know this, it is simple to see.

Iraq has been the bigger problem and the bigger black eye if you will, in the face of America. The US was dupped into thinking Iraq was a threat and the result was sending the country into total mayhem, which is looked at as the US's fault and our problem to fix, which is why most of the US effort is concentrated there, and as of late it seems to be working better and better.

Now Afghanistan is a whole different story, the US has all the right and reason in the world to be there and to kill the Taliban and OBL and God willing we will do both. Once Iraq is capable of handling at least some of its own affairs US troops will leave and will continue to leave and then the Taliban will get their turn, they will run to Pakistan and into the mountains like the cowards they are and they will suffer defeat just as they do now and hopefully the world and the Afghan people will be lucky enough to be rid of them. :statisfie
 
Once Iraq is capable of handling at least some of its own affairs US troops will leave and will continue to leave and then the Taliban will get their turn, they will run to Pakistan and into the mountains like the cowards they are and they will suffer defeat just as they do now and hopefully the world and the Afghan people will be lucky enough to be rid of them. :statisfie

A wishful thinking perhaps, away from the existing realities.
 
A wishful thinking perhaps, away from the existing realities.

so what is the reality then? From what I see violence has significantly decreased since the surge and more and more Iraqis are pushing the insurgents out of their country and siding with the US.

I already know you are going to say "As soon as that is done the Iraqis will turn on the US troops", my answer to that is once the Iraqis can hold their own there wont be need for US troops, so why attack the US troops if they are no longer occupying your country.

We will see, the Talibans days are numbered, it wont be soon but within a couple years they two will be defeated just as AQI is being done right now
(I am sure you are one of those who used to glorify or make excuses for the AQI arent you, probably praised their attacks on US troops, not much to glorify anymore is there?LOL:ooh:)
 
here is a nice look at the progress in Iraq, maybe this will help you find "reality"

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/12/our-view-on-war.html

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Our view on war in Iraq: Surge's success holds chance to seize the moment in Iraq
Instead, Democrats are lost in time, Bush lowers the bar for Baghdad.
Iraq remains a violent place, but the trends are encouraging.

U.S. and Iraqi casualties are down sharply. Fewer of the most lethal Iranian-made explosive devices are being used as roadside bombs. In community after community, Sunni groups who were once in league with al-Qaeda have switched sides and are working with the U.S. forces.

On the Shiite side of Iraq's sectarian chasm, something similar is happening. About 70,000 local, pro-government groups, a bit like neighborhood watch groups, have formed to expose extremist militias, according to Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations.

But as much as facts have changed on the ground, little seems to have changed in Washington. There are plans to withdraw some troops next year, but there is no clear picture of the endgame in Iraq. How long will troops be needed? Exactly what do we expect success to look like? Will we leave behind a permanent presence?

None of the answers are any clearer than they were when the news began improving. In fact, they seem fuzzier.

On the Republican side, the White House has been busy making excuses for the Iraqi government's failure to move toward national reconciliation (which is the goal of the troop surge), and it has lowered the benchmarks for success to the level of irrelevance. That translates into reduced accountability, continued dependency and an open-ended commitment. Lowering the bar for the Iraqi government sends a message that Baghdad can enjoy security paid for in American lives, and reconstruction aid paid by America's taxpayers, and ignore its responsibilities.

Congressional Democrats, meanwhile, seem lost in a time warp. They could try to impose new benchmarks that acknowledge the military progress. Instead, too many seem unable or unwilling to admit that President Bush's surge of 30,000 more troops has succeeded beyond their initial predictions. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who in the spring declared the war lost, said last week that "the surge hasn't accomplished its goals." Anti-war Democrats remain fixated on tying war funding to a rapid troop withdrawal. Yet pulling the troops out precipitously threatens to squander the progress of recent months toward salvaging a decent outcome to the Iraq debacle.

What's needed is acknowledgment that the surge is achieving what was intended: not complete military victory but enough stability to make political compromise possible. What's missing is Iraqi will to take advantage of the success.

So far, the Iraqis have missed just about every benchmark that Congress set early this year and Bush promised to enforce. Too often, they just don't seem to be making an effort. Those benchmarks included passing laws on sharing oil revenue, allowing more former Baath Party members into official jobs and holding provincial elections.

To some degree, the positive "bottom up" developments mitigate that failure. The Sunnis, for instance, have abandoned their political isolation and now want to participate in the government. But the Shiites' persistent resistance to letting them in makes a case for new, meaningful benchmarks, not trivial certainties such as simply passing a budget, one of the requirements the White House has set.

Beyond benchmarks, the military progress has been paralleled by a less aggressive stance by Iran, creating another opening. Iran has enormous influence in Iraq, particularly in Shiite regions. More aggressive diplomacy of the kind advocated by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group would help — even a regional conference such as the one the United States recently hosted in Annapolis, Md., to restart Middle East peace talks.

If the United States has learned anything over the past few years of war, it's that apparent calm can change in an instant. (Just Wednesday, car bombs killed at least 41 people and wounded 150 at the main market in the southern Shiite city of Amarah.) The U.S. military is stretched thin and cannot maintain 160,000 troops in Iraq beyond next spring. So now, before the surge starts to unwind, is the time to refocus the war effort and begin defining the endgame, while leaving the timetable flexible.

The Iraq war, which has cost so much in U.S. lives and treasure, deserves far more than muddling through with fingers crossed. It demands a credible, long-term plan that will allow the United States to get out in a way that preserves U.S. interests in the region, not a political stalemate that forces it to stay in.
 
(I am sure you are one of those who used to glorify or make excuses for the AQI arent you, probably praised their attacks on US troops, not much to glorify anymore is there?LOL:ooh:)

An opinion?
 
Diplomats face expulsion from Afghanistan for 'talking to the Taleban'

From Times Online
December 26, 2007

The United Nations is trying to reverse a decision by the Afghan government to expel two British and Irish diplomats who have been accused of negotiating with the Taleban.

Michael Semple, acting European Union mission head, and Mervyn Patterson, a senior UN official, are due to be deported tomorrow after the President’s office deemed that “their presence was detrimental to the national security of the country”.

The news comes amid claims the British secret service has engaged in peace talks with senior Taleban insurgents in the country.

The Daily Telegraph reported today that MI6 agents held a number of discussions, known as “jirgas”, with members of the hardline Islamist group.

If true, the revelation could embarrass Gordon Brown, coming just weeks after he told MPs: “We will not enter into negotiations with these people.”


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3096583.ece
 
am i confused (again)? :muddlehea
i thought even the afghan government had offered to negotiate with the talibaan and were turned down?
i doubt that there is any room for compromise from either side, but what is wrong with negotiating?
 
US backs Afghan reconciliation talks
By FISNIK ABRASHI, Associated Press Writer Thu Dec 27, 10:09 AM ET


KABUL, Afghanistan - The United States supports reconciliation talks with Taliban fighters who have no ties to al-Qaida and accept Afghanistan's constitution, the U.S. ambassador said Thursday.

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William Wood said the U.S. is in favor of a "serious reconciliation program with those elements of the Taliban who are prepared to accept the constitution and the authority of the elected government" of President Hamid Karzai.

"The only place where we have concern would be the members of the Taliban with close connection to al-Qaida, the reason being that al-Qaida is an international threat, it is a global threat and we don't believe that there should be separate peaces with al-Qaida," he said.

At a news conference in Kabul, Wood also said the United States was not involved in the controversy over the expulsion of two senior officials from the European Union and U.N. But he said he was confident the EU and U.N. were acting with good intentions.

The government of Afghanistan had accused Michael Semple, the acting head of the EU mission, and Mervyn Patterson, an official with the U.N. mission in Afghanistan, of holding unauthorized talks with Taliban militants in the country's south.

The decision to expel them seems to be the result of a "misunderstanding" and lack of coordination with the government of Afghanistan, Wood said.

"In any situation like this, coordination, transparency and communication among the good guys is absolutely necessary," he said.

Karzai has voiced a growing interest in meeting with Taliban leaders to try to persuade them to join the government and put down their arms.

But the expulsion of the two officials could make some Western nations and international organizations wary of making their own overtures to the militants in an effort to end the insurgency, which has left over 6,300 people — mostly militants — dead this year alone.

Wood said Afghan and foreign troops have killed or arrested many Taliban field commanders and other militant leaders and thwarted their offensive operations.

As a result, there have been an increase in the flow of foreign fighters into the country and also a rise in terrorist attacks, he said.

"The leadership of the Taliban may have felt that they had lost so many leaders that they could not replace them easily with Afghans, or they may have felt that the morale among their troops was falling and they needed leaders of a more ideological character," Wood said.

Following a takeover earlier this month by Afghan, British and U.S. troops of the town of Musa Qala — which the Taliban had controlled since February — officials discovered drugs worth $500 million in street value, Wood said. Afghan officials have said that Musa Qala hosted dozens of heroin labs.

"No clearer proof can be found of the cooperative relationship between the Taliban, who used to dominate Musa Qala, and the druggers, who were using Musa Qala as a storehouse and the center for distribution," Wood said.

Wood said that the U.S. and its allies were stepping up their training of the country's security forces, with a particular focus on its troubled police force, which is often accused of corruption. The Afghan army will reach its target of 70,000 troops by the end of 2008, he said.

Wood also said that Iran "remains an ambiguous neighbor ... providing money to finance projects that are important to Iran inside Afghanistan."

"But there have also been instances in which weapons from Iran were found to be going to the Taliban," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_as/afghan_us_1

THIS SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS
 
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