To muslims are atheists worse than other theists?

[Trumble]

So you don't believe our Atheism is sincere now? You think we're all secretly theists? I get tired of this nonsense. All of us Atheists here are what we say we are. I do not believe in God. My admittance of the 'truth' is an assertion that there is no evidence for the existence of a God.

Likewise. It can get tiresome being told you are 'arrogant', 'proud' or 'in denial' as opposed to simply 'wrong', which would be fair enough, of course. None of that is true. It really is a simple as the fact that while theists believe God exists, atheists do not believe that God exists. Agnostics don't know, haven't decided and/or don't believe it is even possible to know. In view of the failure so far to prove the matter either way, that seems a very strong position to me.

In all cases the same factors are at work, culture, upbringing, education, and an examination of the evidence in reaching a reasoned decision on the matter. The only 'fact' is that neither side is any more able to 'prove' their case than anyone else has been over the past 2,500 years or so. The ball there is really in the theist court, it's far easier to prove that something does exist than that it doesn't or cannot.

 

[kay106]

I still cant believe after giving so many strong evidence, people still choose hell. To me, after watching many debates and talking to non believers, it prooves to me that God is the guide, not you or me , or your intellect, just like it is stated in the Quran. If you want guidance at least from the sincerety of your heart ask God if you exist please guide me.
Also guys you need to get your thinking straight, i will recommend this book, this not written by a muslim,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asking-Righ...bs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1197673599&sr=8-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z73ohM_Rjw - See why this atheist reverted to Islam


Remember guys it was your choice and you were warned, thats our job we are not your guide.

 

[kay106]

someone mentioned about the existance of the soul. Do you have an emmotions fellings?

 

[Skavau]

I still cant believe after giving so many strong evidence, people still choose hell.

What evidence? Who is choosing hell?

Are you keeping track here?

To me, after watching many debates and talking to non believers, it prooves to me that God is the guide, not you or me , or your intellect, just like it is stated in the Quran. If you want guidance at least from the sincerety of your heart ask God if you exist please guide me.

Asking if 'God' exists is as effective as asking if 'Thor' exists.

Also guys you need to get your thinking straight, i will recommend this book, this not written by a muslim,

So what is wrong with our thinking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z73ohM_Rjw - See why this atheist reverted to Islam

I could probably find a video of an apostate of Islam explaining why he no longer believes. Pointless.

Remember guys it was your choice and you were warned, thats our job we are not your guide.

Fine. In that case, I warn you that unless you believe in Thor you will be cast down to Hel.

Now how convincing was that?

 

[Skavau]

someone mentioned about the existance of the soul. Do you have an emmotions fellings?

Yes.

And they do not provide evidence for the existence of a soul.

 

[kay106]

also guys another thing that makes sense to me is that reason why some people will eternal hell, is because they had the intention of sinning forever, intention of disbelieving forever, your choice! Allah knows best!

 

[czgibson]

Greetings Kay,

So what do you think - are atheists worse than other theists?

Peace

 

[Skavau]

also guys another thing that makes sense to me is that reason why some people will eternal hell, is because they had the intention of sinning forever, intention of disbelieving forever, your choice! Allah knows best!

That's nice. Except I don't recognise the concept of 'sin'.

May Talos guide you.

 

[kay106]

What evidence? Who is choosing hell?

Are you keeping track here?


Asking if 'God' exists is as effective as asking if 'Thor' exists.



So what is wrong with our thinking?


I could probably find a video of an apostate of Islam explaining why he no longer believes. Pointless.


Fine. In that case, I warn you that unless you believe in Thor you will be cast down to Hel.

Now how convincing was that?

Wheres your evidence? do you understand what evidence is? what about proof? Do you believe in evolution?

 

[kay106]

what if this is the truth? what is paradise hell judgement is true? what if, do you not have this in your concience?

 

[kay106]

what will happen when you die? do you guys not ask this question? why is this most unconsidered fact in the world? in other words why do people not think about it? why are people so distracted from it, do people ever have the chance to reflect?

 

[Skavau]

Wheres your evidence?

My evidence for what?

do you understand what evidence is?

Evidence is the application of phenomena which is used to demonstrate the truth value of a specific claim.

what about proof?

Proof is impossible. Only evidence.

Do you believe in evolution?

Yes I do.

 

[kay106]

have any of u guys seen the videos that were posted in this forum?

 

[Skavau]

what will happen when you die?

I have absolutely no idea. All evidence indicates that I will simply cease to exist.

do you guys not ask this question?

Yes.

why is this most unconsidered fact in the world?

Considering that approximately 80% of the world is religious in some sense, my guess is that it is considered.

in other words why do people not think about it? why are people so distracted from it, do people ever have the chance to reflect?

We do.

what if this is the truth?

Islam?

what is paradise hell judgement is true? what if, do you not have this in your concience?

Then I will go to hell. Your appeal to force fallacies are not good arguments and they fail to impress or scare me. Real discussions resort to reason and evidence, not petty threats.

 

[truemuslim]

That's nice. Except I don't recognise the concept of 'sin'.

May Talos guide you.

lol dats sad

 

[Skavau]

lol dats sad

Why is that sad? Why would I recognise sin as an Atheist?

 

[truemuslim]

well, as an athiest can you do anything you want? nothing is forbidden?

 

[Skavau]

well, as an athiest can you do anything you want? nothing is forbidden?

Atheism is not a comprehensive belief system which includes ethical values. It is just what we call people who disbelieve or believe there is no God. Every Atheist is different and we get our moral values from different places.

We can do what we want. But then so can a Muslim. It is just when someone says 'X is a Muslim' you know what the values of that individual are to an extent because of what Islam actually asserts.

I find it breathtaking still that people think Atheism is a set of beliefs.

 

[kay106]

I have absolutely no idea. All evidence indicates that I will simply cease to exist.


Yes.


Considering that approximately 80% of the world is religious in some sense, my guess is that it is considered.


We do.


Islam?


Then I will go to hell. Your appeal to force fallacies are not good arguments and they fail to impress or scare me. Real discussions resort to reason and evidence, not petty threats.

We gave you evidence and reason and you still rejected, dont ask me when! Did you know most people follow religions blindly, becuase their parents were from that religion. Ask any other religion, do you have evidence, they will say this is about faith not evidence, but we have both reason evidence faith, praise to the lord of the worlds, did you know most religions dont even know their scriptures? If you ask people from any other religion, there are many beliefs out there, how do you know you are on the right one, they will reply becuase i know, but you ask how do you know, they will say because i know. See no other religion including yours have evidence, your evolution is only a theory, but still just dont get it! u think you are using your reason!

Did you know there is only 1 truth, example a coordinate of something, can there be two right answers, or two coordinates, there is only 1 truth. And this is a definition of Allah, that he is the Al-Haq, he is the truth, he is one and only!

 

[truemuslim]

Atheism is not a comprehensive belief system which includes ethical values. It is just what we call people who disbelieve or believe there is no God. Every Atheist is different and we get our moral values from different places.

We can do what we want. But then so can a Muslim. It is just when someone says 'X is a Muslim' you know what the values of that individual are to an extent because of what Islam actually asserts.

I find it breathtaking still that people think Atheism is a set of beliefs.

but is there nothing forbidden?