Benazir Bhutto Died

[~Taalibah~]

There are so many violent military groups running around killing anyone that apposes them. Musharraf tries to eliminate those groups. Don't forget they have tried to kill him too.

Though I don't approve of Musharraf, I don't go stupid and make illogical accusations. :?

He is the one able gain by her death, think. Anyway it was just a guess. We don't know who is responsible. Its always possible for her party to have tried killing him and vice versa.

Pakistan: Al-Qaeda claims Bhutto's death

Karachi, 27 Dec. (AKI) - (by Syed Saleem Shahzad) - A spokesperson for the al-Qaeda terrorist network has claimed responsibility for the death on Thursday of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto.

“We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen,” Al-Qaeda’s commander and main spokesperson Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid told Adnkronos International (AKI) in a phone call from an unknown location, speaking in faltering English. Al-Yazid is the main al-Qaeda commander in Afghanistan.

It is believed that the decision to kill Bhutto, who is the leader of the opposition Pakistan People's Party (PPP), was made by al-Qaeda No. 2, the Egyptian doctor, Ayman al-Zawahiri in October.

full story
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1710322437

Al Qaida and Islamic extremists. Is there anyone else out there?:uhwhat

What saddens me is the state Pakistaan is in! Ya Allah, what a mess. Very true Qiyaamat is near. The only time the Muslim Ummat is going to rise again is with Imam Mehdi. Is it not so?

 

[~Taalibah~]

Originally Posted by Cognescenti View Post
Wow. It sounds like we have half a dozen here ready to step up into the void left by the tragic death of the homicide bomber.
"Puppet of the West"???? Oh man. This is going to be a long war. Is anyone else getting a bad feeling?

Both her and Musharraf.

"The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy," said Bush, who looked tense and took no questions.

Does it look like this chap had his apple cart upset?:hmm:

 

[S_87]

Greetings,


That's irrelevant. You've basically implied that you support murder. Well done!

Peace

Thanks but i actually wanted to see the persons reaction.
if youre wondering if im sad about her death then the answer is no.

May jannat be upon Benazir Bhutto, she was a wonderful lady.
and may those responsible be punished and brought to justice.

she wanted to get rid of Islam in Pakistan. she wanted secularism. how is that wonderful sister?

 

[Muslim Knight]

And at that, why don't we heap all curses upon Yazid for causing the death of the Prophet's grandson, Husayn.

Grow up dear. There's nothing to be gained from backbiting a dead person. Big or small her sins to Islam, no one has the right to kill her off like that. All previous discussions in this forum have concluded that there is no vigilante justice in Islam. If we're professing to be good Muslims, let's start by properly giving due regard to the the shariah.

Can someone close this thread please. There's nothing so Islamic or Sunnah-wise from cursing the dead.

 

[thinktank]

The fact that she was killed in a so-called 'martyrdom operation'/suicide bombing kinda points in the direction of religious radicals, does it not? Or are there examples out there of secular extremists blowing themselves up for the cause? Are there Musharraf supporters using such tactics?

just a slight diversion, your talking as if its only them who commit political assasinations, the west does it all the time albeit covertly, likewise israel does it every other day when killing members of hamas etc, i think the lot are mad!

anyway what really bugs me is the collatoral dammage this has caused, the killer killed her by gunfire why the heck did he need to takeout another 20 ppl!?

 

[Cognescenti]

Both her and Musharraf.

Bhutto held pro-democratic ideals, but they were her own ideals. She wasn't taking orders from Washington.

Musharraf is more of a "kept man" than a puppet. His options after 9-11 were limited. Dick Cheney paid him a nice visit and told him "you will cooperate in the War on Terror or we will bomb the **** out of you". It's called diplomacy ;D

Does it look like this chap had his apple cart upset?:hmm:

What do you expect Bush to do? You don't think there is a US contingency plan to attack the tribal areas of Pakistan? I guarantee there is also a contingency plan to seize or destroy Pakistan's nuclear inventory should the country fall into complete chaos. Is that what you want? The truth is, Pakistan is so screwed up, at least for now, that only a leader with the support of the military has a chance to retain order. Honestly, I don't recall a time in my lifetime when Pakistan wasn't screwed up but maybe I am beign too harsh. I don't find the whole thing very funny. A lot of people could get killed.

The other curious thing is Mr. Zawahari, with his giant pulsating brain, may have shot himself in his dung-covered foot. He wants the Dems to win the US election then he does things which push voters toward security candidates (ie Republicans like Giuliani..who used to be the Mayor of New York and is kind of angry about 9-11)

 

[KAding]

you know whats funny is that so many ppl are using this to bash Islam and Muslims, while Bhutto herself was a Muslim! in the same sentence that they bash Muslims and Islam as backward violent barbarians, they go on to praise what a brave wonderful woman bhutto was, remember she was Muslim! so how does that work?

Indeed! This is always a problem with extremists, they are incapable of seeing shades of gray! Incapable of seeing that there are indeed many Muslims you can work with, with which we could easily cooperate and coexist. This works on both sides of course, since quite a few extremist Muslims have labeled Bhutto an 'enemy of Islam' as well. Calling fellow Muslims ' Zionist puppets' and 'un-Islamic' seems a widespread phenomenon in the Muslim world. "So how does that work?"

 

[~Taalibah~]

she wanted to get rid of Islam in Pakistan. she wanted secularism. how is that wonderful sister?

I agree that she has involved herself in terrible deeds. While i understand why you disapprove of such a Dua, one cannot make any judgment on what she deserves in the hereafter. Dont forget one act, just one act, can get you Jannat.

 

[KAding]

just a slight diversion, your talking as if its only them who commit political assasinations, the west does it all the time albeit covertly, likewise israel does it every other day when killing members of hamas etc, i think the lot are mad!

anyway what really bugs me is the collatoral dammage this has caused, the killer killed her by gunfire why the heck did he need to takeout another 20 ppl!?

Sorry if I gave that impression, I didn't intend to. Of course political assassinations are not limited to Muslim countries, let alone to 'muhajedeen'. Heck, the Netherlands had it's own high-profile political assassination in 2002, though it is incredibly rare here.

But the tactic of using suicide bombers for that purpose is more widespread among Islamic extremists, rather than secular extremists, is it not? At least in the Muslim world. Martyrdom operations are simply less appealing for those who are probably less religiously inclined.

On the other hand, suicide bombings are very widespread among the Tamil Tigers and they are more secular and Hindu. So I suppose the context matters as well!

 

[Grace Seeker]

if u had someone fighting to put shariah law in the US like benazir wanter secular law in pakistan wouldnt you want them dead and oppose them ?

Yes, I would oppose them.
No, I would not want them dead.

I would oppose them with voice and vote. Violence is not the answer to reconciling problems between individuals of disperate views.

 

[thinktank]

Sorry if I gave that impression, I didn't intend to. Of course political assassinations are not limited to Muslim countries, let alone to 'muhajedeen'. Heck, the Netherlands had it's own high-profile political assassination in 2002, though it is incredibly rare here.

But the tactic of using suicide bombers for that purpose is more widespread among Islamic extremists, rather than secular extremists, is it not? At least in the Muslim world. Martyrdom operations are simply less appealing for those who are probably less religiously inclined.

On the other hand, suicide bombings are very widespread among the Tamil Tigers and they are more secular and Hindu. So I suppose the context matters as well!

suicide bombing is a whole new ball game, very confusing topic and yet no real clear cut answer, heard both arguments, and i understaqnd both their logic but i still cant make a decsion.

in this particualr case i dont understand why if they wanted to kill her a sniper didnt do the job? i guess we will never know.

 

[aamirsaab]

Aaaaaalrighty then I think it's time to lock this thread.

 

[Woodrow]

In spite of what any of us think of Ms. Bhutto or what she represented. There are some serious questions that need to be answered, and it will take many years for anybody to see the result.

1.Will this make Pakistan Islamic?

A. Yes, it has removed the supporter of secularism.

B. No, It will cause people to turn against Islam and condemn the killing of a woman.


2. Will this make Pakistan a powerful nation?

A. Yes, the people will now unite and Islamic rule will bring the country together.

B. The immediate chaos will open the window of opportunity for those who desire to divide Pakistan. This has opened the door for invasion by India, Iran and Afghanistan, with little chance of the USA interceding to stop the division.

3. Is this the best possible time for India to begin a massive assault against Pakistan?

A. Yes, the people are divided and India would be foolish to miss this opportunity, if that is their desire.

B. No, the confused populace would be too difficult to control.

 

[chosen]

My take on Bhutto assasination

I have been away for a while..and I have not posted in weeks..very busy..but I have to comment about the assasination of Bhutto...the moment I heard that she was dead my mind automatically focused on musharaff..this is a man who declared a state of emergency with with hopes that it would stop the election process..he only dropped it because of all the international pressure put on him, when the world figured out his game....so now Bhutto is assasinated and the country is in turmoil..lets guess is the next state of emergency comming soon...and ofcorse this time it would be justified because this time there really is a serious problem...smells like musharaff