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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_new_awakening

US offers Iraqis service jobs By ELENA BECATOROS, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 32 minutes ago

HUDA, Iraq - Children skip across a stream of raw sewage on a side road, trash piles up in a dusty lot and there are few desks — and even fewer chairs — in the village school's dark, cold classrooms.

On the main street, fruits and vegetables are displayed for sale on sacks lying under corrugated metal awnings.

Huda, a Shiite village of about 3,000 southeast of Baghdad, sits on the edge of a region the U.S. military and locals say is dominated by insurgents and al-Qaida in Iraq. Here, many men are out of work, and the village is in desperate need of basic services.

Grinding poverty and disillusionment with the government and U.S.-led coalition can create fertile ground for insurgent or militia recruitment.

But the U.S. military believes it has a way to help residents and the village by providing jobs that also could dim the allure of militancy.

Modeled on a program under which the U.S. pays armed groups who turned against al-Qaida in Iraq, the military has begun recruiting villagers for public service jobs — working to improve sanitation, do repairs and pick up trash.

"Today is a new idea," said Capt. John Horning, the 36-year-old company commander of C Company, 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment stationed in the area. Instead of hiring people to secure their neighborhoods, "we'll have them doing sanitation, cleaning up the area, reconstruction."

"It's a pilot program," said Horning, from Houston, Texas. "We'll see how it works."

The hope is that the jobs will give residents a legitimate way to make a living and prevent them from turning to militia or insurgent groups, many of which are suspected of paying men to carry out attacks.

"Only barely second to security in my neighborhood is employment, and so I've got to find a way to make that bridge," said Lt. Col. Jack Marr, commander of the 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment. Instead of having Iraqis "out there with guns ..., I hand them a shovel and get them digging up trash."

Each person hired will receive a salary of $300 a month, the same amount as members of the mainly Sunni armed groups known as Awakening Councils who now protect their neighborhoods with the help of American and Iraqi forces.

The Awakening Councils — 70,000-strong and growing fast — have contributed to a 60 percent decrease in violence across Iraq since June, along with a six-month cease-fire called in August by Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr for his Mahdi Army militia and an extra 30,000 U.S. troops sent into Baghdad.

Horning's region, which covers about 100 square miles and 12 towns, has both Sunni and Shiite Awakening groups.

With less violence — residents say Huda hasn't been attacked by mortars for three months — people can concentrate on rebuilding their lives.

"Here where security is better, we need the return to normalcy," Horning said. "We're putting dollars into the economy, to get people working. People see that there's hope, that there's an alternative."

But with the project funded by the U.S., what happens when American forces leave?

"If we have a strong area and government, then there will be no problem," insists Sheik Zeidan Hussein Ali al-Masoudi. "The Americans are visitors. We must do something for ourselves. We want to live free. All Iraqis need is for the (foreign) forces to leave as soon as the work is done. ... All Iraqis want this."

On the first day of recruiting in Huda last week, three dozen men — some barely out of their teens, others with graying hair — lined up outside the dilapidated schoolhouse, their application forms in bright yellow, blue and pink folders rolled in their fists. Some have been out of work for years.

"The people here need money," Sheik Naheth Ouaidi al-Shameri, one of several sheiks who turned out, told the U.S. officer.

Majid Kerim Ali, a 35-year-old former air force sergeant under Saddam Hussein, has found only odd jobs since the U.S.-led coalition disbanded Iraq's military after the 2003 invasion.

"I am looking for a job — I'm very poor," said Ali, who has 10 children. "This will give us a chance for work, a chance for the people."

Horning said he was looking to recruit about 600 people in his region. Each area would have three groups: one for sanitation, one for building and construction, and a smaller one to provide security. In the past, Shiite militias have threatened Iraqis working on projects funded or run by the U.S. military, so workers will need protection, Horning said.

Like Awakening Council volunteers, all applicants go through biometric screening — fingerprinting, iris scans, photographs — in an attempt to ensure none are known insurgents or criminals.

Apart from boosting the economy, the new civil affairs teams could provide a solution to a pressing problem — what happens to the Awakening Councils after they have restored security.

The fighters have said they want to join the Iraqi army and police. But the Shiite-dominated government has only promised that 20,000 will be absorbed, and has pledged not to allow them to turn into a separate security force. Redirecting the rest toward reconstruction might ease tensions.

U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker said Sunday that Iraq is matching $155 million the U.S. has set aside to create jobs and provide vocational training for the fighters.

The new project might also help heal the sectarian divide.

In the nearby Shiite village of Wahida, where C Company's projects include a new clinic and refurbishing a school, Sheik Ali Hussein hands Horning a list of candidates for a new civil affairs group. It contains the names of four Sunnis.


It is nice to see things progessing in Iraq finally, if this trend continues the US might emerge from this situation victoriously. In the grand scheme of things, if the fighting continues to slow and hopefully eventually stop, people 100 years from now may look back and say it was a good idea to invade Iraq and overthrow the dictator, but who really knows? Just keep praying for these people that they may experience peace at some point in this life. :thumbs_up
 
I guess it is better than nothing considering they illegally invaded their country, stole their oil, destroyed their infrastructure, started an ethnic war, and killed thousands of innocent people.
 
the "ethnic war" was not started by the USA... I didn´t see Americans blowing them selfs in markets or roads... Maybe in that point you should ask Iran where the Iraqi terrorists get their guns.
 
the "ethnic war" was not started by the USA... I didn´t see Americans blowing them selfs in markets or roads... Maybe in that point you should ask Iran where the Iraqi terrorists get their guns.

actually the ethnic war was started by USA, you just like to act ignorant.....first of all think to yourself, is it a coincidence once america went into iraq all hell broke loose between shiites and sunnis? how come when these same sunnis and shiites leave iraq to syria, jordan etc etc they get along just fine? yet in iraq they cant? very simple, america has created the atmosphere between the two.

offcourse your ignorant and didnt look at what america did in the early stages of the war, they removed all sunnis from power, and then replaced them with shiites, wow now who wouldnt think some sunnis werent going to react in a violent way....there was a power vaccum, because smart america decided to get rid of every politician, police officer, and soldier, basically america turned iraq into a lawless country thanks to their stupidity. go look at new orleans, for a few days only there was no police and all hell broke loose, in iraq for years there was no police and no army, and no goverment because america decided to disband it all......offcourse you want to ignore all of this, but too bad you cant ignore this because these are the direct causes of what led to the ethnic war.......

and secondly, they have caught british soldiers in southern iraq planting bombs in the city, just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen......

and lol its so funny, you say ask iran where iraqi terrorists get their weapons from, america right now is giving weapons to sunni insurgents who used to kill america and iraqi soldiers! and they continue to do so, yet america is giving them weapons!!!!!!!!!!! so you just showed why you should never come and argue politics because your so ignorant and dont know what your saying, by trying to make Iran look bad by infering their giving weapons to shiite militias, you just made USA look just as bad because they give weapons to sunni insurgents! lol nice one man, really.

in fact lets expose you even more, america was and is in bed with the puppet al-maliki, he himself is an ally with the mahdi millitia whom you consider to be terrorists, yet America is backing al-maliki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so seriously go educate yourself abit on Iraq plz, because you only make yourself look like a fox news clown with the silly comments you make. next thing you will be telling us iran gave saddam the chemical weapons right?
 
I guess it is better than nothing considering they illegally invaded their country, stole their oil, destroyed their infrastructure, started an ethnic war, and killed thousands of innocent people.

don't forget they have poisoned the country as well with their uranium........
 
infact a hundred years from now americas dirty legacy in iraq will still be for all to see thanks to the uranium they have dropped in Iraq, so ppl in iraq a hundred years from now will still be suffering from the effects of this war!!!!
 
I guess it is better than nothing considering they illegally invaded their country, stole their oil, destroyed their infrastructure, started an ethnic war, and killed thousands of innocent people.

so basically something positive is posted and you try and bring on the negative?

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How exactly do you "illegally" invade another country? How exactly is declaring war "illegal"? OBL attacked our country in the name of Islamic Jihad, was that "illegal"?

Show me one single drop of stolen oil... Show me one article (legitimate), one ounce of proof that a single drop hasnt been paid for... yes that is right, you cant because it is a lie that is all to common on this forum, thanks for being a liar.

Destroyed infrastructure? Yes for about 3 days, the militant factions have been doing a real good job of that ever since

Started an ethnic war :? or removed a dictator who created the animosity and conditions for such long before we arrived in the country?????What do you think would have happened when SH died? Do you think the Iraqis would never have revolted? Economic sanctions were ripping that country in two because Saddam wouldnt allow humanitarian aid without military aid

Killing thousands of people, this is sad indeed, the thousands that were killed in the early stages of the war, I am truly sorry for their deaths, I could put them off on Saddam for not turning himself and his programs over but I wont, I know that the US's decision to invade Iraq and execute the operations it did are 100% responsible for those deaths and I am truly saddened by those events and the loss of every innocent life. However if you are attributing the deaths since then all to American troops that would be just as saddening because it would be a typical "blame game" comment rather than allowing the militants and other groups that ALSO invaded Iraq and needless and senselessly took many many many more lives.
 
actually the ethnic war was started by USA, you just like to act ignorant.....
What total junk
first of all think to yourself, is it a coincidence once america went into iraq all hell broke loose between shiites and sunnis?
It was perpetuated by the influx of militants from neighboring countries, not the US, do you think it is coincidence that every time an attack happens it is claimed by one Al-qaeda type group or another? Do not act like there hasnt been a sectarian animosity in Iraq and around the world, I have seen comments on this forum saying that Shia are not even Muslim.
how come when these same sunnis and shiites leave iraq to syria, jordan etc etc they get along just fine?
How can the be the "same" when the ones causing the violence are still in Iraq and the ones who only want peace are not? That doesnt even make sense, it is ignorant to say that there hasnt been animosity between the differenct factions in Iraq and elsewhere for a very long time. You blaming everything on everyone else will never solve your problems and obviously never has.

yet in iraq they cant? very simple, america has created the atmosphere between the two.
yeah that is why in the posted article it talks of shia and sunni's uniting for a common cause

"The new project might also help heal the sectarian divide.

In the nearby Shiite village of Wahida, where C Company's projects include a new clinic and refurbishing a school, Sheik Ali Hussein hands Horning a list of candidates for a new civil affairs group. It contains the names of four Sunnis."

offcourse your ignorant and didnt look at what america did in the early stages of the war, they removed all sunnis from power, and then replaced them with shiites, wow now who wouldnt think some sunnis werent going to react in a violent way....

That is an outright lie, there were Sunnis in power and there still are today, they didnt get along right away because before it was ONLY sunni's, I guess in the civilized world we for some odd reason think that people can have equal say and rights and not be based on your religious preference.

there was a power vaccum, because smart america decided to get rid of every politician, police officer, and soldier, basically america turned iraq into a lawless country thanks to their stupidity.
In retrospect this was a mistake, but when you attack a country that is ruled as Iraq was, what other options do you have?
go look at new orleans, for a few days only there was no police and all hell broke loose, in iraq for years there was no police and no army, and no goverment because america decided to disband it all......offcourse you want to ignore all of this, but too bad you cant ignore this because these are the direct causes of what led to the ethnic war.......

Again I disagree, they are not direct causes of ethnic war, they provided conditions for lawlessness, but did not perpetuate a war based on religion. The militant factions started that

and secondly, they have caught british soldiers in southern iraq planting bombs in the city, just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen......
Prove it, just because you say it doesnt mean it is true

and lol its so funny, you say ask iran where iraqi terrorists get their weapons from, america right now is giving weapons to sunni insurgents who used to kill america and iraqi soldiers!
Wrong again, Iran directly funds terrorist and anti western groups, the stand behind the Mahdi arny and provide weapons to them and the Sunnis. The US is trying to give the land back to the Iraqis so that we can leave, so we are giving weapons to IRAQIS, we are not giving weapons to "sunni insurgents", or at least not deliberately as Iran has done. Some of these people inevitably will come back to bite us, but what are we supposed to do? Without trusting the Iraqis to take care of themselves we will be there forever.

and they continue to do so, yet america is giving them weapons!!!!!!!!!!!
Not all of them see above.
so you just showed why you should never come and argue politics because your so ignorant and dont know what your saying, by trying to make Iran look bad by infering their giving weapons to shiite militias, you just made USA look just as bad because they give weapons to sunni insurgents! lol nice one man, really.
Look how ignorant you look now! Iran gives weapons etc. to either militant group, the US gives weapons to those we believe will try to take control of their country... There is a huge difference, although I wouldnt expect a simpleton to realize this all by himself

in fact lets expose you even more, america was and is in bed with the puppet al-maliki, he himself is an ally with the mahdi millitia whom you consider to be terrorists, yet America is backing al-maliki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so seriously go educate yourself abit on Iraq plz, because you only make yourself look like a fox news clown with the silly comments you make. next thing you will be telling us iran gave saddam the chemical weapons right?

It seems you need the education, the US is backing al-Maliki because he was elected by the Iraqi people, the Iraqi government (al-maliki included) is not particularly well liked by the US government. Take a trip back to just after summer when the Iraqi government at a crucial time decided to take some vacation time while our troops are fighting to stabilize their country. Take a look back at the Iraqi governments decision to do energy business with China despite US protest. There are plenty of examples, if you actually care to look. Have no doubt that the US has interest in who is governing Iraq but also know that the US's main interest right now is how to pull out of Iraq and allow it to be self sustaining, just as my original article shows, maybe if you actually read it rather than trying to create a fight thread you would know that already.
 
Anyways again I will say I was glad to read some positive information coming out of Iraq :)
 
This reminds me of the Christian missionary groups for whom I do orientations before they go spend a couple of weeks living among the poor. They are always so excited about their good doing, never realizing that it was their interference that caused the poverty in the first place and which now allows them to buy someone to cook, clean and wash their dirty underwear for 50 cents a day.

Sigh... What can you say? How can you explain to them the dynamics of a situation that started 50 years ago or more? There is no time and they are not inclined to listen.

Similar situation here. The resource grab now taking place in Iraq started a LONG time ago. Probably around 1018 when Britain declared their main objective to gain control of Mesopotamia and Persia for their oil reserves. Oil being the new coal, they had the foresight to see that whoever controls these two nations controls the world. You can trace the whole history right up to today if you care to do that much reading. There is a short synopsis of these events here http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...omplete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq but it's still a bit of reading.

Hopefully some of us will care enough to trudge through it.

Peace and I continue to ask Allah to help our ignorance and lead toward wisdom and understanding in these matters. It is important to all of humanity that we educate ourselves.
 
It will all fall together eventually if the Iraqi government can win the trust of the people. The average Iraqi clearly seems to desire an end to the violence and an improvement in domestic problems. Let's hope the violence will stay low so the business of infrastructure and the economy can be addressed.
 
This reminds me of the Christian missionary groups for whom I do orientations before they go spend a couple of weeks living among the poor. They are always so excited about their good doing, never realizing that it was their interference that caused the poverty in the first place and which now allows them to buy someone to cook, clean and wash their dirty underwear for 50 cents a day.

Sigh... What can you say? How can you explain to them the dynamics of a situation that started 50 years ago or more? There is no time and they are not inclined to listen.

Similar situation here. The resource grab now taking place in Iraq started a LONG time ago. Probably around 1018 when Britain declared their main objective to gain control of Mesopotamia and Persia for their oil reserves. Oil being the new coal, they had the foresight to see that whoever controls these two nations controls the world. You can trace the whole history right up to today if you care to do that much reading. There is a short synopsis of these events here http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...omplete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq but it's still a bit of reading.

Hopefully some of us will care enough to trudge through it.

Peace and I continue to ask Allah to help our ignorance and lead toward wisdom and understanding in these matters. It is important to all of humanity that we educate ourselves.

What mindless babble!! Please tell how missionaries cause poverty, please provide solid evidence, also please tell me how the US is controlling the oil reserves in Iraq, please show any discount on oil that we have recieved, please provide evidence, other than Alan Greenspan who isnt a government representative as far as wars and military objectives go, so his word is worth about as much as yours. Oil is expensive and is running low, however the US and the rest of the world are not recieving breaks either, we are paying the price for it while we cook up other ways to power our lifestyles.

So say what you want, but it is discouraging to see that not one person has yet to comment on this thread that yes the US is making an honest attempt to revitalize this poor country, and they are not there to cause mayhem and steal their precious oil, and it isnt all just a big conspiracy. I guess we wont know for sometime, but if Iraq does become self sustaining and the US is able to leave and the Iraqis can take care of themselves, then Iraq will be a success and in a few decades people will be able to look back and hopefully see this as a victory not only for the US but the Iraqis as well.

It is almost like you and all these other people wish to see Iraq fail just so you can say I told you so to the US, when the fact is one way or another the US is leaving, probably within the next coming years, so while it may make you feel good to demonize the US, it is not going to help the Iraqis with their situation. Get your head on straight people
 
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This reminds me of the Christian missionary groups for whom I do orientations before they go spend a couple of weeks living among the poor. They are always so excited about their good doing, never realizing that it was their interference that caused the poverty in the first place and which now allows them to buy someone to cook, clean and wash their dirty underwear for 50 cents a day.

Sigh... What can you say? How can you explain to them the dynamics of a situation that started 50 years ago or more? There is no time and they are not inclined to listen.

Similar situation here. The resource grab now taking place in Iraq started a LONG time ago. Probably around 1018 when Britain declared their main objective to gain control of Mesopotamia and Persia for their oil reserves. Oil being the new coal, they had the foresight to see that whoever controls these two nations controls the world. You can trace the whole history right up to today if you care to do that much reading. There is a short synopsis of these events here http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...omplete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq but it's still a bit of reading.

Hopefully some of us will care enough to trudge through it.

Peace and I continue to ask Allah to help our ignorance and lead toward wisdom and understanding in these matters. It is important to all of humanity that we educate ourselves.

The European powers have been contesting each other over "spheres of influence" for 500 years. One doesn't need a website to learn that. I am interested to learn, however, exactly which rapacious Western power is profiting from Iraqi natural resources now? It is also interesting to see that the British were able to see 80 years into the future on that occaision but failed to see the loss of their empire in India or the disastrous and embarassing loss of Singapore to the Japanese. It seems their remarkable powers of clairvoyance are somewhat cicumspect.

I too am a firm believer in the "all problems in the world were caused by European (an American) imperialism" school. I mean, like what other possible explanation could there be?
 
The strange and ironic thing about Iraq now, is that those who couldn't give a flying monkeys about the suffering of some desert Arabs; are know desperate for the situation of the security and the division to improve. In other words, the neocons, zionist and the fake pseudo liberal democrats are hoping for Iraq to improve, in order to save their political necks and reputations. So they care not really about Iraq and it's people,as they didn't give a monkeys when looters were ransacking Iraqi historical artefacts or when children were dying as a result of their own imposed sanctions. They encouraged, supported or if not at the very least contributed to the of Iraq essentially turning into a failed state. But all of a sudden they care because their political careers in Washington, Tel Aviv and London depend on it. Iraq has to be presented as a nation that can get it's feet back on the ground, in order for their parties to stay in power in Washington and elsewhere. At the end of the day Iraq is a failed state and the division caused primarily(not all) by the invasion will take years if not decaded to heal. This affair was destined to be a failure well before the first bullet was fired. The British left in the 1920s and they today they left Basra to a bunch of miserable warlords simply because a prolonged stay in that part of the world is just military, economically and politically unsustainble. So much for democracy, freedom and liberation! Of course some will argue that it was and still is neccesary because they came to liberate Iraq from a miserable dictator, who used chemical weapons against his own people, which they gave to him in the first place. They couldn't find weapons of mass destruction, so they found Alqaeda instead, who again they armed themselves and sponsored through proxy wars. This all because they actually care and shed tears in their sleeps of sleeps cry for Arabs and Muslims who suffer. The same Arabs and Muslims who were mercilessly being bombed in Lebanon, only for Bush and Blair to declare that a ceasefire wasn't not neccesary as the bombing would bring the birth of a "new middle east". If they had their way, Tehran, Damascus and Baghdad would have been part of this bombing and "liberation", in order to bring peace, democracy and the peaceful neighbour called Israel to the uncivilized Arabs and Muslims. On the other hand you have people who actually never supported the war, but want the bombs and suffering to continue as waying of getting back at Bush and Blair, ie to declare " we told you so". All in All, history shall write the architects of these awful, barbaric and illegal war as utterely unjustified and a failed mission! No amount of posting pics of American trained Arab mecenaries or meeting with Arab tribal Sheikhs can change this. Because as they say; history can't be rewritten!But it does have a way of repeating itself!
 
MTAFFI, perhaps the program will boost the economies at the local level. Somewhat like the WPA (public works administration) FDR introduced in America during the Great Depression.

Hoping so anyway
 
Because as they say; history can't be rewritten![/B]But it does have a way of repeating itself!

The United States has created many enemies through its policies in the Middle East over the past century and bears a significant amount of responsibility for creating a fertile soil for anti-American hatred. Any American response that does not address this truth is doomed to further the cycle of violence.

Most of what is regurgatated in the US are reports of a shadowy Islamic conspiracy against the U.S. led by Osama bin Laden, whihch have, in turn, have generated a steady stream of cliché's about this new enemy and its hatred of the U.S. Unfortunately, precious little light has been shed on understanding why this is happening and what exactly Muslims believe.

Any explanation of Middle Eastern violence that relies upon the notion that Islam is an inherently violent or inherently anti-Western religion is false and misleading. First, Islam is one of the world's largest and most diverse religions and like Christianity or Judaism there are thousands of views within Islam about the religion and also about violence and the West. Secondly, there are major differences even among explicitly Muslim militants and activists regarding these issues-some insist upon non-violent struggle and others regard violence as a legitimate tool. There is no way one can generalize about Islam or any religion for that matter.

Last week on Meet The Press, Tim Russert was interviewing presidential candidate Ron Paul and when Paul told Tim that we should look at the reasons behind the attacks on the US, Tim became upset and tried to imply that just by look anyone who even loos at these motivations, is somehow unpatriotic and unamerican. Paul stood his ground and had to remind him of our history and involvement in the Middle East. Is that because Russert doesn't know? Of course not, it's because no American wants to admit that we are now experiencing a by-product of what we created years ago. that motivations do not derive from Islam so much as from a common set of experiences and beliefs that resulted from their participation in the U.S. Which was a US backed war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 1980's. OBL and others were recruited by the CIA, Saudi Arabia and Pakistani intelligence services to fight against the Soviet Union during the 1980's. They came largely from the poor and unemployed classes or militant opposition groups from around the Middle East, including Algeria, Egypt, Palestine and elsewhere in order to wage war on behalf of the Muslim people of Afghanistan against the communist enemy. OBL played an important role in helping these groups recruit volunteers and build extensive networks of bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan after 1984. He was a HERO when he was doing the US's bidding for us.

This is where Americans don't do their homework. Even after the last two videos that OBL put out and detailed all of this, Americans still refuse to listen to what our government has done and what WE are responsible for. OBL and his groups, at that time, also served another purpose for the U.S. and its allies in the region. Not only were they anti-Communist due to their rejection of its atheism, they were also opposed to the brand of Islamic radicalism promoted by the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran Khomeini; largely because it was based on Shiite rather than Sunni Islamic doctrine, a major doctrinal cleavage within Islam. The revolution had had toppled a major ally of the U.S., the Shah of Iran, who played a major role as a pillar of U.S. hegemony in the oil rich Persian Gulf and was threatening key U.S. allies such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and other oil rich states. Therefore, the clear aim of U.S. foreign policy therefore was to kill two birds with one stone: turn back the Soviet Union and create a counter-weight to radical Iranian inspired threats to U.S. interests, particularly U.S. backed regimes who controlled the massive oil resources.

Because we wanted to "have our cake and eat it too", our foreign policy in the Middle East has turned into a nightmare for the us and is exactly what led to the attacks in New York and Washington D.C. After the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan in 1989 the "Afghan" network became expendable to the U.S. who no longer needed their services. And as you can see, we have actively turned against these groups after the Gulf War when a number of those groups returned home and moved into the violent opposition against U.S. allied regimes and opposed the U.S. war against Iraq in 1991.

In short, they are particularly opposed to the unprecedented positioning of U.S. ground troops in Saudi Arabia on the land of the Islamic holy sites of Mecca and Medina. If you follow the intelligence agencies at all you will find that in the past decade there has been a vicious war in the region between the CIA and its allies and militant Muslim groups. The U.S. trains Egyptian police torture techniques. Moreover, the CIA has sent snatch squads to abduct wanted militants form Muslim countries and return them to their countries to face almost certain death and imprisonment.

The primary belief of the veterans of the Afghanistan war is that the West, led by the United States, is now waging war against Muslims around the world and now have to defend themselves by any means necessary, including violence and terrorism. They point to a number of cases where Muslims have born the brunt of violence as evidence of this war: the Serbian and Croation genocide against Bosnian Muslims, the Russian war in Chechnya, the Indian occupation of Kashmir, the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands, the UN sanctions against Iraq and the U.S. backing of dictatorships in Algeria, Egypt or Saudi Arabia, for example. They claim that the US either supported the violence or failed to prevent it. In almost all of these cases, they are correct. It is these beliefs, not to mention the fact that we've been bombing the Middle East for the last ten year and continue to keep adding more military bases over there, that enable them to justify not only targeting U.S. military facilities but also its civilians. And we sit here scratching our heads and wondering why? The "why" is clear for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. There is no question that the one-sided U.S. support for Israel, the U.S. sponsorship of sanctions against Iraq as well as U.S. support for dictatorships across the region have created a fertile ground for some sympathy with such militancy.

Osama bin Laden is not the only mastermind of these attacks as is often claimed in the media; he just facilitates these groups and sentiments with logistics and finances, as do others. He is simply a very visible symbol of this loose network and the U.S. obsession with him most likely works to increase his standing as an icon of resistance to the U.S. A rational person would ask themselves, why he was considered a Hero in the 80's and now considered, by the very government who helped him with training, armaments and finances, the antichrist of the 21st century.

The real problem is that the US refuses to address the root causes of anti-American sentiments in the region. Moreover, the U.S appears to have no long-term strategy to address the sources of grievances that the radical groups share with vast majority of Muslim activists who abhor using violent methods that would include, for starters, a more balanced approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, ending the sanctions on Iraq, moving U.S. military bases out of Saudi Arabia, and supporting the legitimate aspirations of regional peoples for democracy and human rights. Legitimate meaning, the majority of the people want is and ask for help; not butting your head into a countries affairs when none is warranted and attempting to install your form of government under the banner of "helping" when all you are really interested in is OIL.

What truly aggrevates me and the Muslim people I know are the US's double standards. The U.S. claims that it must impose economic sanctions on certain countries that violate human rights and/or harbor weapons of mass destruction. Yet the U.S. largely ignores Muslim victims of human rights violations in Palestine, Bosnia, Kosovo, Kashmir and Chechnya. What's more, while the U.S. economy is propped up by weapon sales to countries around the globe and particularly in the Middle East, the U.S. insists on economic sanctions to prevent weapon development in Libya, Sudan, Iran and Iraq. In Iraq, the crippling economic sanctions cost the lives of 5,000 children, under age five, every month. Over one million Iraqis have died as a direct result of over a decade of sanctions. Also, the U.S. pro-Israel policy unfairly puts higher demands on Palestinians to renounce violence than on Israelis to halt new settlements and adhere to U.N. resolutions calling for an Israeli withdrawal from Palestinian lands. Is this fair?

It isn't and that unfairness cannot be extinguished by Tomahawk missiles or military operations. The present U.S. strategy for ending the threat of terrorism through the use of military force will only exacerbate this anger and desperation. When innocent U.S. and Middle Eastern citizens are killed and harmed during this pathetic "war on terror", or used as cannon fodder for suicide hijackings, the U.S. government expects expressions of outrage and grief over brutal terrorism. But when U.S. Cruise missiles kill and maim innocent Sudanese, Afghanis, and Pakistanis, the U.S. calls it "collateral damage". The so-called hunt for Osama bin Laden is futile. It's the actions of a true megalomaniac--Bush who can't stand to lose. But he has lost already because the fertile soil that our involvement keeps us entrenched in simply creates other such figures who will still be around for a long time. Moreover, our continued presence in the Middle East simply serves to inflame passions and create hosts of new volunteers to those ranks.

I hate it that Americans lost their lives in New York and Washington. I was working there and very nearly one of them. But I also hate that innocent women and children have lost their lives in the Middle East due to what America's attacks. These attacks have served no cause; they have likely set back efforts to build popular movements and international solidarity that, in the final analysis, are the best chance of achieving social justice and change in the Middle East and elsewhere. Yet, at this difficult time, Americans should critically examine policies with which Arabs, Muslims and many others have legitimate grievances. Instead, like Russert, our leaders refuse to admit the flaws in their policies and find it easier to demonize those in both the American and Arab world who oppose them as a way of diverting attention from their own mistakes and it's my opinion that more military solutions to the problems in the Middle East and the terrorism that has resulted from these problems is not a policy but a recipe for more violence and bombings.

Is it really so hard to leave people in peace. If America wants democracy there so badly, why don't they start off by taking a vote. All Americans who want us there say aye. All Mulims who want us there, say "aye". Amazing, how silent is has become.
 
Iraq is a mess thanks to the United States, and every time you mention it to one of these neocons, they always talk about Osama bin Laden and September 11. Guess what? Saddam was a bad guy, but he did not order his men to crash airplanes into the twin towers. Iraq was planned long ago, waaaay before 9/11. It is sad how these greedy American corporations are cashing in and pretty much looting the Iraqi people. Here's an example: Bridge is blown up. American company gets contract to rebuild. Iraqis pay for the rebuilding by selling their oil at extremely discounted prices. American company gets paid and rebuilds bridge. Now they pay some thugs to blow up some other place. Again, the American company comes in to "rebuild", and it goes on and on. This isn't the only way they are looting. Check out sites like http://www.antiwar.com and counterpunch.org, and you will see the truth.

Don't believe in the neocon propaganda pushed by people like MTAFFI. I wouldn't even be surprised if he was a paid agent here just to spread the lies. Read for yourself, the truth is out there. Even the American people are getting tired of this senseless war. God is saving a special place in hell for the neocons and their supporters, and thank God, the American people are waking up and are becoming more aware of the crimes of these crooks. Inshallah, they are thrown out of power, and a sensible government takes control in America.

Peace. :peace:
 
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