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Godless Heathen said:
I answered this topic posts ago, but once again it's not someone looking for the true explanation it's just someone trolling for god. Science is the answer. It changes when new information becomes available. It makes sense.
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science is the answer? science has got some answer but its definatly not THE answer, ''It changes when new information becomes available'' So will that say if today sciences said, we evolved from dogs, u be amongst them on the street debating and saying we evolved from dogs. BUT since science is not stable who knows tommorow it might say nonono! we evolved from APES!, and same stories goes u be debating that we evolved from apes. So that means your are not stable in your believes!(since science is THE answer and your answer), so during your lifetime YOU MIGHT believe in dosens of things and at the end they could all be proven wrong!!, dont get me wrong science is great! amazing, but it is not THE answer. am i right?

peace.
 
Hamada said:
science is the answer? science has got some answer but its definatly not THE answer, ''It changes when new information becomes available'' So will that say if today sciences said, we evolved from dogs, u be amongst them on the street debating and saying we evolved from dogs. BUT since science is not stable who knows tommorow it might say nonono! we evolved from APES!, and same stories goes u be debating that we evolved from apes. So that means your are not stable in your believes!(since science is THE answer and your answer), so during your lifetime YOU MIGHT believe in dosens of things and at the end they could all be proven wrong!!, dont get me wrong science is great! amazing, but it is not THE answer. am i right?

peace.
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Science is self-correcting, religion is not.

Or do you really believe that falling stars are to chase off jinn?

In regards to the philosophy in the thread, well the OP did call sperm 'perfect' which isn't a scientific term. It falls in the realm of philosophy.
 
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Isambard said:
Science is self-correcting, religion is not.

Or do you really believe that falling stars are to chase off jinn?
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Self correcting, that means you will never live to see the end of it? so you might live your whole life believing in something which turned out to be fake/wrong, doesnt feel good does it?, well islam does not need to correct is self as it is in a perfect state, obvsly you would argue and you are free too!.

and yes i believe that!(i believe everything in the quran with eyes closed) and no dont go in dept as i havent studied physics, and have no knowledge on stars!
 
Hamada said:
Self correcting, that means you will never live to see the end of it? so you might live your whole life believing in something which turned out to be fake/wrong, doesnt feel good does it?, well islam does not need to correct is self as it is in a perfect state, obvsly you would argue and you are free too!.

and yes i believe that!(i believe everything in the quran with eyes closed) and no dont go in dept as i havent studied physics, and have no knowledge on stars!
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Why do you own a computer? You know in 10yrs time the model will become old.

Why does one try to find the correct answer for a math equation? Why not just use some arbitrary number and say "there, Im done!" and never check your answer?

You realize that if people followed your philosophy the overall human life expectancy wouldnt have trippled right? And the standard of living gone up in all areas...

Even what you are typing on is a result of science so it does seem a tad hypocritical.
 
Isambard said:
Why do you own a computer? You know in 10yrs time the model will become old.

Why does one try to find the correct answer for a math equation? Why not just use some arbitrary number and say "there, Im done!" and never check your answer?

You realize that if people followed your philosophy the overall human life expectancy wouldnt have trippled right? And the standard of living gone up in all areas...

Even what you are typing on is a result of science so it does seem a tad hypocritical.
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thank you for proving that science is a GREAT GREAT gift!, its absolutly amazing!, but still science is not THE answer as i stated before in this thread, science cant be the answer because science it self is not perfect, science cant create things!, science has no value WE PUT THE VALUE IN!. peace!
 
Hamada said:
thank you for proving that science is a GREAT GREAT gift!, its absolutly amazing!, but still science is not THE answer as i stated before in this thread, science cant be the answer because science it self is not perfect, science cant create things!, science has no value WE PUT THE VALUE IN!. peace!
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And now that we have "PUT THE VALUE IN", it is now valuable.

And the more value we put into it by adding knowledge, the more valuable it will become.
 
What do computers and math have to do with philosophy or religion?
what are we comparing here and for what purpose?.. you might as well liken a banana peel to horse linements!
I think anyone who reads hamada's posts can safely conclude that all he wants to state, is whether or not science is self correcting, it doesn't provide all the answers, nor has it or ever will be an device to measure things that simply can't be subjected to scientific measure.

Yesterday I had a dream about a lady on 41st street making crème brûlée for her friend on 132, I was a spectator in the dream and didn't know either party, all I kept thinking while watching one heat the sugar on top is, isn't 132 part of spanish harlem?...
Please tell me how it is that you can apply scientific measure to something I saw happen yesterday in a dream? what would it translate to? a nerve firng across a synapse? well how would that be different from a nerve firing across a synapse in a dream that my door man had? one that Bush had one that sarkozy had? or are you to deny that dreams happen and take a life all their own because they are simply non-scientifc? While at it, won't you apply scientific measure to hopes, aspirations, pain.. aren't they all things that we can understand and share universally as part of our being?
science is science and religion is religion. If they were one in the same they would go by the same name.. life dependent on just one field would cease, just like a tree without sunshine, branches or water.. each facet conjoins to give us the general atmosphere, the full flavor of life.. land/water.. black/white science/philosophy art/math physical/metaphysical these are the rudiments of our known world.. for those who choose to drink the full cup.. we can't all be happy being androids..


cheers
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
What do computers and math have to do with philosophy or religion?
what are we comparing here and for what purpose?.. you might as well liken a banana peel to horse linements!
I think anyone who reads hamada's posts can safely conclude that all he wants to state, is whether or not science is self correcting, it doesn't provide all the answers, nor has it or ever will be an device to measure things that simply can't be subjected to scientific measure.

Yesterday I had a dream about a lady on 41st street making crème brûlée for her friend on 132, I was a spectator in the dream and didn't know either party, all I kept thinking while watching one heat the sugar on top is, isn't 132 part of spanish harlem?...
Please tell me how it is that you can apply scientific measure to something I saw happen yesterday in a dream? what would it translate to? a nerve firng across a synapse? well how would that be different from a nerve firing across a synapse in a dream that my door man had? one that Bush had one that sarkozy had? or are you to deny that dreams happen and take a life all their own because they are simply non-scientifc? While at it, won't you apply scientific measure to hopes, aspirations, pain.. aren't they all things that we can understand and share universally as part of our being?
science is science and religion is religion. If they were one in the same they would go by the same name.. life dependent on just one field would cease, just like a tree without sunshine, branches or water.. each facet conjoins to give us the general atmosphere, the full flavor of life.. land/water.. black/white science/philosophy art/math physical/metaphysical these are the rudiments of our known world.. for those who choose to drink the full cup.. we can't all be happy being androids..

cheers
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you are right, science is science and religion is religion no doubt!, but what i am trying to get out of this thread is..., since you think religion is obvs i think its obvs, how would an atheist describe the religion, the missing gaps which he has.. because he follows no religion(which for me and u is common sense).. since correct me if i am wrong, most atheist believe science is the cause of everything right?( sorry for my poor grammatical use, as i am still learning english)
 
Don't worry about your English, practicing on forums is a good way to learn insha'Allah..

I wouldn't bother being too concerned with atheists, unless you have a couple of hours to kill with 'quasi-intellects'? You'll just trip the light fantastic and by the end of the evening still come up empty.. best to cut your losses and part ways amicably for never the twain shall meet..
I often find that people enjoy their delusions, and it is nobody's business to smack them out of it..

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Hamada said:
thank you for proving that science is a GREAT GREAT gift!, its absolutly amazing!, but still science is not THE answer as i stated before in this thread, science cant be the answer because science it self is not perfect, science cant create things!, science has no value WE PUT THE VALUE IN!. peace!
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I guess creation too would have to be defined as Im sure youll agree computers arn't exactly a work of nature. Same with televisions and drugs etc.
 
Hamada said:
..., but still science is not THE answer as i stated before in this thread, science cant be the answer because science it self is not perfect, ....
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so what is THE queston. And what is THE answer?

42?
 
the question is of how we came into existence(science believe we came from nothing but as we all know from nothing u get nothing!) THE ANSWER is the part that explain how we got into existence.
 
wilberhum said:
And now that we have "PUT THE VALUE IN", it is now valuable.

And the more value we put into it by adding knowledge, the more valuable it will become.
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thats correct science indeed is very valuable!, i never said it wasnt, image life without it.........!!
 
Isambard said:
I guess creation too would have to be defined as Im sure youll agree computers arn't exactly a work of nature. Same with televisions and drugs etc.
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what are you trying to say? that we are the work of machine?
 
Hamada said:
can you explain how from nothing originate something that lives? use any example u like
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I was just answering that science don´t believe "that nothing" originate life. For example, in the evolution theory, "we" came from a "primitive soup".
 
ricardo_sousa said:
I was just answering that science don´t believe "that nothing" originate life. For example, in the evolution theory, "we" came from a "primitive soup".
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Thats actually ambiogensis that postulates that. Evolution only explains the process which would have to come after the first organism.
 
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