'UK Islamists creating no-go areas'

[ricardo_sousa]

The question is that the Christian soul of Europe created countries like the UK. Now, this soul maybe is in dangerous of "several" souls, like Islam and when you see the Islamic countries without oil, the result is not pretty. In fact, that´s why their are many Muslims in the UK: they left their failed Islamic countries. It is understandable that several persons start question the future of the country.

I am an atheist, but I recognize that it was the Christian-Judaic doctrine that created the powerful states of the West.

 

[جوري]

lol.. here is another drop out who should have stayed in class when they were teaching world history so he wouldn't be writing so many asinine comments on a public forum to showcase his ignorance and with such bravado..
pls start here.. yeah prior to the 'oil craze'

http://www.1001inventions.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.viewSection&intSectionID=240

 

[Jayda]

only dead cultures rest on their laurels

 

[جوري]

we had invented optics when the rest of you were dying of the plague, and it was Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrisi that gave a globe to Roger the II who like the rest of the judeo/christian europe thought the earth was flat..
we were creating pieces of architecture and concepts in math.
it was Harun Ar-rachid (Aaron the upright) that gave Charlemagne a water clock that marked the hours by dropping bronze balls into a bowl, as mechanical knights one for each hour emerged from little doors which shut behind them. The presents were unprecedented in Western Europe and may have influenced Carolingian art.

Maybe if you had stayed in school a little you'd know that your basic trigonometry and algebra, as well as chemistry came to you courtesy of the Muslims world..

shouldn't there be minimum standards of intellect before joining a forum? or all that one needs is a keyboard?


cheers

 

[جوري]

only dead cultures rest on their laurels

If the world has seen the mountains it is because they've stood on the shoulders of giants. Some invent, others yield to imperialism, steal the wealth of nations and consider that progress!
If you have something of substance to impart then do so, if not, the exist is that way!


cheers

 

[seeker_of_ilm]

It's all well and good for Mr Nazir-Ali to make such a claim, yet I have not seen him provide us with any statistics, or even mention examples of such "no-go areas".

 

[Jayda]

we had invented optics when the rest of you were dying of the plague, and it was Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrisi that gave a globe to Roger the II who like the rest of the judeo/christian europe thought the earth was flat..
we were creating pieces of architecture and concepts in math.
it was Harun Ar-rachid (Aaron the upright) that gave Charlemagne a water clock that marked the hours by dropping bronze balls into a bowl, as mechanical knights one for each hour emerged from little doors which shut behind them. The presents were unprecedented in Western Europe and may have influenced Carolingian art.

Maybe if you had stayed in school a little you'd know that your basic trigonometry and algebra, as well as chemistry came to you courtesy of the Muslims world..

shouldn't there be minimum standards of intellect before joining a forum? or all that one needs is a keyboard?


cheers

maybe on that intelligence test you could put a few questions down about the byzantine empire seeing as it was european, half of the Christian world and much more advanced than its muslim neighbors all through the middle ages. and yes, they did believe the world was round.

but of course, i'm sure you are right... this must just be zionist propaganda. it's as simple as enlightened muslims bringing education to the barbarian christian turnip farmers.

 

[islamiii]

Re: 'UK Islamists creating no-go areas' -
can u tell me the name those area ?

 

[islamiii]

Islamists extremist etc i dont know why people scared with them

 

[Whatsthepoint]

And reap the much greater benefits to gain an overall profit!

Cheap workforce and spicy food in the past, gangsta youths and spicy food in the present...and, of course, cultural benefit.

Just kidding, I am a liberal...

Although one should ask themselves why is it that there's always trouble with Pakistanis, Bangladeshis...and very little trouble with the chinese, japanese...?

Anyway, continental western Europe solved the immigrant issue somehow better than Britain.

 

[Jayda]

hola islamii,

i think the concern is that these are people who would cause physical harm or would intimidate others.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

Cheap workforce and spicy food in the past, gangsta youths and spicy food in the present...and, of course, cultural benefit.

Just kidding, I am a liberal...

Although one should ask themselves why is it that there's always trouble with Pakistanis, Bangladeshis...and very little trouble with the chinese, japanese...?

Anyway, continental western Europe solved the immigrant issue somehow better than Britain.

...well that's rather interesting...

 

[islamiii]

hola islamii,

i think the concern is that these are people who would cause physical harm or would intimidate others.


how many people were killed by muslim???
but what about USA???? they are openly killing innocent in iraq . in afghanistan ???
where was that concern
were the muslim people are not human being ?????

 

[caroline]

Assuming the neighborhood truly is a no go zone for non-Muslims and the call to prayer is amplified, a good test of the fairness of this would be to ask if the reverse situation would be accepted in an Islamic state. Say, for instance, a Christian community developed in Terhan where non Christians were restricted or even just made to feel NOT welcome. Say they amplified a Christian hymn from the church steeple about 5 times a day.

Would this be accepted?

Sometimes it helps me to just put the shoe on the other foot and if it is unacceptable in that situation then it's time to look at two possibilities: One, is it okay for ME to be doing this if I would NOT allow others to do it to me? Two, is it time for me to change my attitudes and allow others the same freedoms I expect for myself?

 

[جوري]

maybe on that intelligence test you could put a few questions down about the byzantine empire seeing as it was european, half of the Christian world and much more advanced than its muslim neighbors all through the middle ages. and yes, they did believe the world was round.

I understand public schools to implement basic vocational training to foster self-esteem, thus your current cognitive content and mindless drivel is excusable!

but of course, i'm sure you are right... this must just be zionist propaganda. it's as simple as enlightened muslims bringing education to the barbarian christian turnip farmers.

You don't need zionist propaganda, you just need a proper book!

cheers

 

[Whatsthepoint]

we had invented optics when the rest of you were dying of the plague, and it was Abu Abd Allah Muhammad al-Idrisi that gave a globe to Roger the II who like the rest of the judeo/christian europe thought the earth was flat..
we were creating pieces of architecture and concepts in math.
it was Harun Ar-rachid (Aaron the upright) that gave Charlemagne a water clock that marked the hours by dropping bronze balls into a bowl, as mechanical knights one for each hour emerged from little doors which shut behind them. The presents were unprecedented in Western Europe and may have influenced Carolingian art.

Maybe if you had stayed in school a little you'd know that your basic trigonometry and algebra, as well as chemistry came to you courtesy of the Muslims world..

shouldn't there be minimum standards of intellect before joining a forum? or all that one needs is a keyboard?


cheers

It's sad that most people are not aware of the great achievements of the muslim dominated civilization. A lotof people still think muslims as savage barbaric "Mohammedans" who have brought nothing but violence and terrorism.
the truth is completely different. The islamic society was during its golden age the most propserous society till that day, with medical system, sewages, water pipes. Science was very well developed, from mathematics to agriculture.
why? Well, IMHO mostly because muslims have concquered and gathered the entire knowledge of many civilizations (Greece, Rome(Byznatine), North Africa,India, China...) and because religion didn't oppose science as it did in Europe. And of course, because there were smart people living in the muslim empire who have made great progress from the gathered knowledge.
But the golen era of the muslim world is long over and resting on past achievements, as Yayda said, is not the ebst thing to do. In the last couple of centuries European science made progress IMHO far greater than that of the muslim world. Of course, it couldn' have been made without the muslim world, some of it was even stolen and sold as original.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Dr Nazir-Ali questions whether elements of Sharia law are applicable in Britain and confronts directly the use of loudspeakers on mosques to spread the call to prayer.

This is simply unnacceptable.

 

[جوري]

It's sad that most people are not aware of the great achievements of the muslim dominated civilization. A lotof people still think muslims as savage barbaric "Mohammedans" who have brought nothing but violence and terrorism.
the truth is completely different. The islamic society was during its golden age the most propserous society till that day, with medical system, sewages, water pipes. Science was very well developed, from mathematics to agriculture.
why? Well, IMHO mostly because muslims have concquered and gathered the entire knowledge of many civilizations (Greece, Rome(Byznatine), North Africa,India, China...) and because religion didn't oppose science as it did in Europe. And of course, because there were smart people living in the muslim empire who have made great progress from the gathered knowledge.
But the golen era of the muslim world is long over and resting on past achievements, as Yayda said, is not the ebst thing to do. In the last couple of centuries European science made progress IMHO far greater than that of the muslim world. Of course, it couldn' have been made without the muslim world, some of it was even stolen and sold as original.

I'll agree with some portions of your opinion above--
however, any Muslim who is scholarly now a days will not be recognized because of the socio-economic and the geo-political situation in the world. I know many bright young muslims whose achievements get swallowed up in the whole. Many studies prove that young muslims are professional and doing quite well for themselves, you may have a look here

Middle Eastern immigrants were highly educated, with 49 percent holding at least a bachelor's degree, compared to 28 percent of natives.

Median earnings for Middle Eastern men were $39,000 a year compared to $38,000 for native workers.

they tend to be better-educated than native U.S. residents — about half hold bachelor's degrees, compared to 28 percent of natives. They also perform as well economically as natives — 30- and 40-year-old Middle Eastern males with a college education have the same median income as natives, and Middle East immigrants are more likely be self-employed.




Middle Eastern Immigrants in U.S. Educated, Prosperous, Study Says
Gannett News Service, August 15, 2002

(Also ran in Arizona Republic - 8/15)

WASHINGTON — Middle Eastern immigrants in the United States are well educated, earn more money than most Americans and are predominantly Muslim, according to a report released Wednesday.

They also are among the nation's fastest-growing immigrant groups, according to the report issued by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, a think tank that supports reducing the number of immigrants to the United States.

The report says the number of Middle Eastern immigrants increased from fewer than 200,000 in 1970 to almost 1.5 million in 2000. The overall number of foreign-born residents in the United States tripled to 31 million over the same period.

The report offers a rare portrait of an immigrant group that has received intense scrutiny and negative publicity since the Sept. 11 attacks.
Project MAPS, a survey of "Muslims in the American Public Square" conducted in 2001-2002 by researchers at Georgetown University, found that 86 percent of all Muslim professionals were concentrated in three careers: engineering, computer science, and medicine. Law, law enforcement, and politics accounted for a minuscule 0.6 percent. American Muslims, some demographers say, have also been voting well below their numbers in the population -- registering to vote at only half the national rate, according to the 2001 American Religious Identification Survey [PDF], a project of the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. "If they ever did play to their weight" in the electoral arena and in Washington, Muslims "would be a much more considerable force in public policy-making," says Steve Clemons, a Democrat who directs the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation in Washington.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/topics/p...ab_America.pdf
http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/mideastcoverage.html

unfortunately the empire that once fostered them, has dissolved, so they can only take their bright minds else where..
I am not arguing, that the muslim world is a shadow of its former self that can only lament over its former achievements, but the flame that has always been, is still in the heart of its people and one day it will be regained..

Islam has always fostered education, as it is a 'fard' i.e compulsory on every Muslim...


cheers

 

[جوري]

evidently i'm arguing with a mental midget, i think i'll go try to find that 'exist' sign you mentioned earlier.

If I am a mental midget you must be suffering from mental obstipation?..
do you have something of substance to impart dear lady other than asinine attempts to self-aggrandize and exalt a religion that has rendered Europe in darkest ages, (hence the name the dark ages) or are you simply too good to be true and want to waste everyone's time?


cheers!

 

[caroline]

I understand public schools to implement basic vocational training to foster self-esteem, thus your current cognitive content and mindless drivel is excusable!


You don't need zionist propaganda, you just need a proper book!

cheers

Ouch! Excuse me for saying this PA, but are your personal attacks and insults really NECESSARY?