Why is God right?

[syilla]

Ah but the why is the most interesting part!

Is Allah always right because he is the mightiest, or is there something else...?

because it is mentioned in the quran .... :uhwhat

 

[Isambard]

because it is mentioned in the quran .... :uhwhat

So because God says so?

This then goes back to the first question as to why you wouldnt listen to me as opposed to Allah. Id "say so" as well. Im assuming there something more no?^o)

 

[جوري]

I love how you reach a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever. More impressive is that evidence for my motives is both abundant and clear.

I kindly ask you to stay out of this thread as it would seem it is beyond you.

I don't believe I was addressing you with the above, did I?.. further this is an Islamic forum, I'll write where ever it suits me!
I understand your little outbursts to be a form of over-compensation ! try not to make your inadequacies so obvious to the rest of our guests!


cheers

 

[syilla]

So because God says so?

This then goes back to the first question as to why you wouldnt listen to me as opposed to Allah. Id "say so" as well. Im assuming there something more no?^o)

you are really weird... :exhausted

 

[Isambard]

you are really weird... :exhausted

Merely trying to understand thru asking questions

 

[syilla]

So because God says so?

This then goes back to the first question as to why you wouldnt listen to me as opposed to Allah. Id "say so" as well. Im assuming there something more no?^o)

for sure we believe everything that is mentioned in the quran...

i guess you can never understand the word of 'honesty'. probably doesn't exists in 'your' dictionary.

 

[Isambard]

I don't believe I was addressing you with the above, did I?.. further this is an Islamic forum, I'll write where ever it suits me!
I understand your little outbursts to be a form of over-compensation ! try not to make your inadequacies so obvious to the rest of our guests!


cheers

Ah, so you were lying to others about me then. Very nice.

Now if you are quite done trying to de-rail my thread, Ill go back to addressing those who merit a response through intellectual honesty.

Chau

 

[truemuslim]

Allah HAS to be right... he created the earth, heavan, US, our food, our things to build our homes... our muscles... our brownies...lol... everything so how can he make all that then turn out wrong?

 

[Isambard]

for sure we believe everything that is mentioned in the quran...

i guess you can never understand the word of 'honesty'. probably doesn't exists in 'your' dictionary.

Eh? I know what honesty means.

Im asking you why believe one text over another. If its because God says so, then why God?

 

[Isambard]

Allah HAS to be right... he created the earth, heavan, US, our food, our things to build our homes... our muscles... our brownies...lol... everything so how can he make all that then turn out wrong?

I never said if it turned out to be wrong. Just trying to find by what criteria theists determine authoritativeness of their deity(ies).

 

[syilla]

Eh? I know what honesty means.

Im asking you why believe one text over another. If its because God says so, then why God?

how do you know that person is an honest person?

 

[truemuslim]

I never said if it turned out to be wrong. Just trying to find by what criteria theists determine authoritativeness of their deity(ies).

oh ok... just wait a sec... i saw woodrow looking at this thread..i kno he got the answer...

 

[جوري]

Ah, so you were lying to others about me then. Very nice.

I can't lie about something that is obvious to the naked eye.. even the last poster addressed you as dishonest in your approach!

Now if you are quite done trying to de-rail my thread, Ill go back to addressing those who merit it through intellectual honesty.

Chau

lol.. yeah good luck having a wide following in your circuitous route. If a thread on pedantic bluff and recycled rhetoric should merit 'intellectual honesty'.. if I had a dime for every time you wrote that ..

and that is ciao oh leader of the pack and holder of the flame ;D
you know if you were looking for a torrential exist, least you can do is be familiar with the words you want to use for a powerful delivery!

cheers

 

[Isambard]

how do you know that person is an honest person?

Honesty means simply stating facts and views as best one truly believes them to be.

Im still not sure where you are going with this as I didnt imply dishonesty on anyones part.

 

[syilla]

Honesty means simply stating facts and views as best one truly believes them to be.

Im still not sure where you are going with this as I didnt imply dishonesty on anyones part.

right!.... Right simply stating facts and views as best one truly believes them to be.

 

[Woodrow]

Hello.

I've been thinking alot about theistic morality lately and trying to better conceptualize it.

If you wish to aid me, then if you'd be so kind, could you answer these two questions for me.

1. Is God correct because he is God? That is, if I came up to you and handed an essay which as far as you can tell, details a wonderous political, economic, and moral system but was agaisnt what God says according to the Qur'an/Bible etc. Who's side would you take and why?

2. (Assuming you answered God's side in the first Q) Lets say you somehow met God, but also found out there is a God above him, a Meta-God if you will. Would the meta-god always be correct vs. the now inferior god?

Thanks in advance for your replies

this is one of the first questions brought up in both Debating 101 and Phylosophy 101.

The point being if something looks like a question and sounds like a question it does not mean it is a question.

A logical as that sounds as a question, it is actually an excercise in nonsensical recognition.

This is like asking the classic question of:

If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half.
How many pancakes would it take to shingle a dog house?

The first part of the Question:

1. Is God correct because he is God?

Now to a person that is not educated or has very limited knowledge, that looks like a question. But is it? Is it a question or is a nonsence phrase under the grammatical formation of a question.


Place any other quality in place of correct, let the quality be either true, false or nonsence. The question does not pass the scrutiny of being able to be replaced with other qualities and sound rational.

For example:


Is God tall because he is God?

Is God purple because he is God?

Is God strong because he is God?


Any quality can be placed in there and the problem is we still do not have a question, we have a statement that is based upon cause and effect when what we have is state of being and neither a condition of cause and effect.

Question 2 is a fallacy. By definition of a supreme God, there can only be one God, so question two is a moot point as it is an impossibility by definition.

Children playing in philosophy 101 only serve to illustrate their own ignorance by their inability to formulate legitimate questions. The simplest fool can ask more questions than the wisest man can answer.

 

[truemuslim]

this is one of the first questions brought up in both Debating 101 and Phylosophy 101.

The point being if something looks like a question and sounds like a question it does not mean it is a question.

A logical as that sounds as a question, it is actually an excercise in nonsensical recognition.

This is like asking the classic question of:

If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half.
How many pancakes would it take to shingle a dog house?

The first part of the Question:



Now to a person that is not educated or has very limited knowledge, that looks like a question. But is it? Is it a question or is a nonsence phrase under the grammatical formation of a question.


Place any other quality in place of correct, let the quality be either true, false or nonsence. The question does not pass the scrutiny of being able to be replaced with other qualities and sound rational.

For example:


Is God tall because he is God?

Is God purple because he is God?

Is God strong because he is God?


Any quality can be placed in there and the problem is we still do not have a question, we have a statement that is based upon cause and effect when what we have is state of being and neither a condition of cause and effect.

Question 2 is a fallacy. By definition of a supreme God, there can only be one God, so question two is a moot point as it is an impossibility by definition.

Children playing in philosophy 101 only serve to illustrate their own ignorance by their inability to formulate legitimate questions. The simplest fool can ask more questions than the wisest man can answer.

LOL that chicken thing made me laugh... lol lol llool....

btw bout time u came... yeah u betta have had a long post if u took that long... i almost got everyones hopes up that u postin here for nutin...
lol jk...

btw yes that does make more sense tho. is god purple because he god? lol

 

[Isambard]

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Now to a person that is not educated or has very limited knowledge, that looks like a question. But is it? Is it a question or is a nonsence phrase under the grammatical formation of a question.

Place any other quality in place of correct, let the quality be either true, false or nonsence. The question does not pass the scrutiny of being able to be replaced with other qualities and sound rational.

For example:


Is God tall because he is God?

Is God purple because he is God?

Is God strong because he is God?

So because you now relegate 'God' to the perfect abstract, all questions regarding him nonsensical?

That doesnt make sense. As a muslim, you hold certain attributes toward God that other religions may not. ie. That is all-loving, merciful etc.

Just because he is God tells us nothing as to the why. Im asking the why behind why God is the de-facto authority


Question 2 is a fallacy. By definition of a supreme God, there can only be one God, so question two is a moot point as it is an impossibility by definition.

Children playing in philosophy 101 only serve to illustrate their own ignorance by their inability to formulate legitimate questions. The simplest fool can ask more questions than the wisest man can answer.

^^So God is right because he is God eh? Youve answered my question.

"Rule of the strongest" would seem to be behind your ethical model.

And per your little coment, I expected better from you Woodrow especially as Im doing the same attributions as believers. Im merely asking why.

 

[snakelegs]

God is beyond right and wrong, correct and incorrect
God is one - how can there be a more "meta"?
questions don't make sense to me. sorry. :muddlehea

 

[Isambard]

God is beyond right and wrong, correct and incorrect
God is one - how can there be a more "meta"?
questions don't make sense to me. sorry. :muddlehea

Guess I was thinking more along the lines of gnosticism. They believed in a Demiurge (Regular God) and a super God.

Christian gnostics were the most interesting as some groups claimed that Yahwey was the lesser God. He created the Earth and all that, but is nothing compared to the Super God.

Anyways, my question was to find out why theists personally feel God is right. Im getting the feeling there is a negative bias toward me because of both my question and my non-religious status.