Why is God right?

[adeeb]

there is one God..and no more question on the oneness of God

if u re looking for God, u must look for something different from creation...

Allah has explained it in surah al ikhlas:

1. Say: He is Allah, the One;

2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

4. And there is none like unto Him.
:clever:

 

[جوري]

this is one of the first questions brought up in both Debating 101 and Phylosophy 101.

The point being if something looks like a question and sounds like a question it does not mean it is a question.

A logical as that sounds as a question, it is actually an excercise in nonsensical recognition.

This is like asking the classic question of:

If a chicken and a half can lay an egg and a half in a day and a half.
How many pancakes would it take to shingle a dog house?

The first part of the Question:



Now to a person that is not educated or has very limited knowledge, that looks like a question. But is it? Is it a question or is a nonsence phrase under the grammatical formation of a question.


Place any other quality in place of correct, let the quality be either true, false or nonsence. The question does not pass the scrutiny of being able to be replaced with other qualities and sound rational.

For example:


Is God tall because he is God?

Is God purple because he is God?

Is God strong because he is God?


Any quality can be placed in there and the problem is we still do not have a question, we have a statement that is based upon cause and effect when what we have is state of being and neither a condition of cause and effect.

Question 2 is a fallacy. By definition of a supreme God, there can only be one God, so question two is a moot point as it is an impossibility by definition.

Children playing in philosophy 101 only serve to illustrate their own ignorance by their inability to formulate legitimate questions. The simplest fool can ask more questions than the wisest man can answer.

I'd hate to pull an atheist and offer you a boisterous applause, but that was brilliant. I'd not have put so much effort into it personally. But I suppose at times that is what the situation calls for..

Jazaka Allah khyran

 

[Woodrow]

^^So God is right because he is God eh? Youve answered my question.

The statement is not a statement. It is a discription of a state of being. The statement "God is correct because he is God" is almost a legitimate statement. A more correct statement would be :Correctness is an attribute of God(swt)" anyhow the statement "Is God correct because he is God" is nonsense. As it is asking is an attribute an attribute because it is the attribute of something.

"Rule of the strongest" would seem to be behind your ethical model.

Rule of attribute of the definition. The question is far removed from the concept of ethics, it is in context of an attribute being part of the definition.

And per your little coment, I expected better from you Woodrow especially as Im doing the same attributions as believers. Im merely asking why.

I did not intend that comment to be directed at you alone. It is directed at everybody here. This is a very common error made by a large segment of people. The building of debate and arguments upon a statement that has no proof because the statement itself is flawed logic.

I believe all of us can see ourselves in that statement at one time or another. If we feel the statement applies to us, then we must learn the basics of debating, before we engage in debates.

 

[adeeb]

^^ mature and superb in debate...

masha Allah...

 

[Woodrow]

Guess I was thinking more along the lines of gnosticism. They believed in a Demiurge (Regular God) and a super God.

True and it would make sense if you were debating gnostics

Christian gnostics were the most interesting as some groups claimed that Yahwey was the lesser God. He created the Earth and all that, but is nothing compared to the Super God.

The one God(swt) is the only True God that meets the definition of God. A lesser God is not a god by any name, simply eliminated by the definition of God(swt) as used by Theists.

Anyways, my question was to find out why theists personally feel God is right. Im getting the feeling there is a negative bias toward me because of both my question and my non-religious status.

There is negative bias against many of your statements. but there is not or should not be any bias against you. You have a valid right to your concepts. But, remember the majority of us here have just as much right to our concepts which often differ from yours.

If I were to join a forum for "Aardvaark Lovers" I suspect I would run into similar flak if my posts extolled the virtues of hamsters over asrdvarks.

 

[Isambard]

The statement is not a statement. It is a discription of a state of being. The statement "God is correct because he is God" is almost a legitimate statement. A more correct statement would be :Correctness is an attribute of God(swt)" anyhow the statement "Is God correct because he is God" is nonsense. As it is asking is an attribute an attribute because it is the attribute of something.

I guess I was trying to be more religiously broad in my question. My apologies. I know in some religions, Correctness isnt an attribute of G(g)od(s).

I was also looking for a differentiation between God and Satan(Christian variety). They both seem to have incredible knowledge and metaphysical powers. In some religions, simlar beings to Satan are gods in themselves.

I guess to better relate it to the main pop. of this forum, is it the absolutes that Allah encompasses that make him God, vs. a powerful, yet limited Iblis?

Rule of attribute of the definition. The question is far removed from the concept of ethics, it is in context of an attribute being part of the definition.

Alrighty

I did not intend that comment to be directed at you alone. It is directed at everybody here. This is a very common error made by a large segment of people. The building of debate and arguments upon a statement that has no proof because the statement itself is flawed logic.

I believe all of us can see ourselves in that statement at one time or another. If we feel the statement applies to us, then we must learn the basics of debating, before we engage in debates.

Well it wouldnt be flawed outside the Abrahamic model...but point taken. Ill try to be clearer and more specific in the future

 

[aamirsaab]

/ howdy

1. Is God correct because he is God? That is, if I came up to you and handed an essay which as far as you can tell, details a wonderous political, economic, and moral system but was agaisnt what God says according to the Qur'an/Bible etc. Who's side would you take and why?

I would read both first. However, since Islam has convinced me that it is the correct path, I am going to take God's word and not yours The main reason why I think God is correct is because His words (in the Quran) convince me that it is the truth.

2. (Assuming you answered God's side in the first Q) Lets say you somehow met God, but also found out there is a God above him, a Meta-God if you will. Would the meta-god always be correct vs. the now inferior god?

Ok let's go take the hypothetical road; In the unlikely event that there is a higher being than God (aka ''metaGod'' - which kinda sounds funny now that I read it out loud), I would probably take the metaGod on the condition that He has proved it to me and there is no shadow of a doubt that He is not the ''real'' deal. However, since I firmly believe that there is only one God I would not take the road to higher being numero dos because I know that it is nothing more than a trick or test.

Actually, now that I think of it, this is actually one of the tests God has ordained for us - at one point in the time of mankind, dajjal will come on to the earth and claim that HE is God - he will attempt to prove this by performing a variety of miracles including execution and then resurrection. Those who are true to their religion will not be swayed by his miracles and will turn to God - not dajjal, imposing as the G-man. So with that, I can say that the answer to question 2 would be a firm no

 

[ikaj]

/ howdy

- at one point in the time of mankind, shaytan will come on to the earth and claim that HE is God - he will attempt to prove this by performing a variety of miracles including execution and then resurrection.

wow i didn't know that...scary oh:

 

[aamirsaab]

wow i didn't know that...scary oh:

Sorry, that's supposed to be dajjal not shaytan.

 

[ricardo_sousa]

I believe in Sauron because it appears in Lord of The Rings. For me Tolkien was under God divine influence, so "The Lord of The Rings" is my "Bible".

And let me tell you something, if there is a God out there, he is doing a terrible job and should get fired.

 

[aamirsaab]

I believe in Sauron because it appears in Lord of The Rings. For me Tolkien was under God divine influence, so "The Lord of The Rings" is my "Bible".

You do know that sauron got owned by a hobbit, right?

And let me tell you something, if there is a God out there, he is doing a terrible job and should get fired.

You've probably not understood the bit about life being a test then, eh? ;D

Anywho...

 

[ricardo_sousa]

You do know that sauron got owned by a hobbit, right?

The Hobbit is the Prophet of the Ring, and Sauron the Dark Satain. God instructed Tolkien to write the story of the foundations of humanity.

You've probably not understood the bit about life being a test then, eh? ;D

yes and that´s why for me religions are just a brain wash ideologies. It is so good to a ruler to say: "die in name of religion, because you will be reward in heaven!".. Like the Islamic Terrorists, "die and you will get a bunch of virgins", but the leaders didn´t kill them selfs, preferring having 4 wifes in this beautiful planet...

I understand the concept, it good to think that it is more than this life, but that is just for maintain the people under control, while the rulers and powerful families have great life's in this world.

 

[Isambard]

*Ive modified the questions. Hopefully now theyll make more sense

 

[Keltoi]

*Ive modified the questions. Hopefully now theyll make more sense

That is a little better...

1. Honestly, people of faith are living in systems that are probably not in line with God's Will. However, as long as these systems give us the right to worship freely and do not require immortal actions, then there is a coexistence. If the essay you described did not give people of faith the right practice freely, it would have to be opposed.

2. As for the other hypothetical, it still doesn't really make sense from the perspective of a Christian, and probably not a Muslim either. God is God, there is no "other" god out there. I don't know about the other people on the thread, but the question really doesn't have a point for me. What exactly are you trying to get at by these questions anyway?

 

[truemuslim]

Sorry, that's supposed to be dajjal not shaytan.

lol u confused me there for a sec... they do say shaytan can come in human forms tho... i dunno tho...or care... but yeah dajjal is gonna come on the last day then esa (jesus) is gonna slaughter him or something like that... before that they say that dajjal is gonna get married and after forty years have a kid with one eye while jesus gets married and i think has kids... dunt know... im not even sure if this is true or not cause alot of people are liers these days anyway...so...but another thing is that 30 other people will come and claim that they are more prophets again i dunt kno if thats true or not... if u want more just see my thread of the signs of the last day (my third thread when i just came)

salam