Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

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yeah I know that according to the Orthodox Christian belief, Jesus was perfect man and perfect God at the same time. This belief is necessary for salvation according to the Athanasian creed held dear by most Christians. Modern Christian scholars reject this idea not because it is difficult to understand but because it cannot be meaningfully expressed. The doctrine cannot be stated in any way that is free from contradictions. It is impossible for Jesus to have been perfect man and perfect God at the same time, for this would mean that he was finite and infinite at the same time, that he was fallible and infallible at the same time. This cannot be.:heated:
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oh, simply because the official shariah law came after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all the other prophets brought their OWN words from god but it was for their OWN time. In fact in the bible it says, there are so many things that I must tell you , but I cannot, then he should come teach you.[referring to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)]

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Omari said:
yeah I know that according to the Orthodox Christian belief, Jesus was perfect man and perfect God at the same time. This belief is necessary for salvation according to the Athanasian creed held dear by most Christians. Modern Christian scholars reject this idea not because it is difficult to understand but because it cannot be meaningfully expressed. The doctrine cannot be stated in any way that is free from contradictions. It is impossible for Jesus to have been perfect man and perfect God at the same time, for this would mean that he was finite and infinite at the same time, that he was fallible and infallible at the same time. This cannot be.:heated:
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Well, they say anything's possible with god, and a god is not a god if he can't transorm himself into a fallible human...and according to christians only one third transformed, two thirds remained omniscient...They also say god is above human logic, so all this nonsense is useless.
I don't like philosophy/theology all that much...:-[
 
Omari said:
oh, simply because the official shariah law came after Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) all the other prophets brought their OWN words from god but it was for their OWN time. In fact in the bible it says, there are so many things that I must tell you , but I cannot, then he should come teach you.[referring to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)]

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Jesus mostly followed the jewish/toraic law, which has remained unchanged eversince. He did not bring new laws, according to the Bible. Does that mean the jews are muslims?
That verse refers to the Holy Spirit, at least according to Christians.
 
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They also say god is above human logic, so all this nonsense is useless.
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sure, when you can't explain somthing...
unfortunatly for the christian, Jesus christ (PBUH) never claimed divinity in the bible. Where are the christian scholars coming up with the philosophy in the first place :S

Whatsthepoint said:
I don't like the philosophy/theology all that much...:-[
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All i can say to that is...:beard: lol

peace

Omari
 
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Whatsthepoint said:
Jesus mostly followed the jewish/toraic law, which has remained unchanged eversince. He did not bring new laws, according to the Bible. Does that mean the jews are muslims?
That verse refers to the Holy Spirit, at least according to Christians.
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brother, by saying he brought new laws to the land I was refering the the Holy book, (toraic law). Before him there was surely other laws.

And yes, ANYONE who followed ANY of the prophets correctly WERE muslims. How ever new laws must be replaced by old ones to fit the time. For example I cannot give you an instruction manual for a gramophone to come with your iPod. Get what i'm pointing at?

Peace.
 
Omari said:
sure, when you can't explain somthing...
unfortunatly for the christian, Jesus christ (PBUH) never claimed divinity in the bible. Where are the christian scholars coming up with the philosophy in the first place :S
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He never denied it.
This reminds me: if the greedy church changed the bible to suit its nasty intentions, why did it not include a clear verse about Jesus' divinity, or a clear verse about the church's dominance...
 
Lol that's a question to be asked in the other thread, "Questions about christians, requesting answers from Christians"

And you're so right. But they KNOW that we [muslims, specifically] are going to point at the older version and say, hello you just changed a big part, and that would make the bible lose it's once had authencity yet a bit more.

ii guess thats why.
Omari
 
Omari said:
brother, by saying he brought new laws to the land I was refering the the Holy book, (toraic law). Before him there was surely other laws.

And yes, ANYONE who followed ANY of the prophets correctly WERE muslims. How ever new laws must be replaced by old ones to fit the time. For example I cannot give you an instruction manual for a gramophone to come with your iPod. Get what i'm pointing at?

Peace.
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Sure.
How come God sent thousands of prophets in a period of a couple millenia, which consisted of only minor social changes, couple of wars etc, yet he has not sent a single prophet in the last 13 centuries, which are probably the most exiting, the most bloody, the most decadent, the most anti-god of all the eras in history?
Sure, you'll say the Quran is for every place and every time...why hasn't god sent such a book at the first place?
Sure, you'll say he did, but the humans changed and distorted it.
Well, why did he not protect it from distortion?
Sure, you'll say...hmm, I don't know what you'll say here, It never came that far before.
 
This is what i say brother.

God says in the quran, I will protect this book from DISTORTION :). and he did, there is a thread here, [if you choose not to find it i should find it for you ] that talks about the authencity of the quran. The quran has never, isn't, and never will be changed.

peace be with you brother.
Omari
 
Omari said:
Lol that's a question to be asked in the other thread, "Questions about christians, requesting answers from Christians"

And you're so right. But they KNOW that we [muslims, specifically] are going to point at the older version and say, hello you just changed a big part, and that would make the bible lose it's once had authencity yet a bit more.

ii guess thats why.
Omari
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no, it's muslims who claim the Bible's been changed.
Lol, you say they changed it but now you're saying they wouldn't change it because they were to afraid to do it.
Can you prove the older versions of the original (hebrew and greek) Bible differ from the newer ones? And don't bring up the gnostic gospels.
 
Whatsthepoint said:
yet he has not sent a single prophet in the last 13 centuries, which are probably the most exiting, the most bloody, the most decadent, the most anti-god of all the eras in history?
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Allah says in the quran Chapter 33, verse 40."Muhammad is not the father of anyone of your men, but he is the messenger of God and the SEAL OF THE PROPHETS; God has knowledge of everything."

peace
Omari
 
Omari said:
This is what i say brother.

God says in the quran, I will protect this book from DISTORTION :). and he did, there is a thread here, [if you choose not to find it i should find it for you ] that talks about the authencity of the quran. The quran has never, isn't, and never will be changed.

peace be with you brother.
Omari
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I know, but why hasn't he done so with the revelatons prior to the Quran?
And the Quran says nothing about iPods, shouldn't God have sent another by now?
iPods are a metaphor, of course.
 
Sure brother, then you'l have to give me some time, because merely copy pasting somthing has a big risk attached to it.
 
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
 
Omari said:
"All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (II Timothy 3:16).
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This does not prove the Bible was changed. For this to be a proof of your claims, you have to take into account that the Bible was once perfect, which cannot be proven.
 

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