Deliver Iran to the Gates of hell- Republican Candidate

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ahhh, come on. Iran has some nice Toy Speed boats, where they can threaten heavy armoured US Marine Ships, then quickly run away to hide behind some rocks :D

yeah well no country can afford to spend crazy amounts of money on defense like the --> USA

How much does the usa spend yearly on defense? Budget $548.9 billion [2] (ranked 1st, 2nd is U.K USD $75.4 billion)!!!!!!!!! nearly half a trillion dollars

how much can iran afford to spend every year on defense?
Dollars: $6.3 billion (2005)
 
yeah well no country can afford to spend crazy amounts of money on defense like the --> USA

How much does the usa spend yearly on defense? Budget $548.9 billion [2] (ranked 1st, 2nd is U.K USD $75.4 billion)!!!!!!!!! nearly half a trillion dollars

how much can iran afford to spend every year on defense?
Dollars: $6.3 billion (2005)

Oh sure. I admit that. US can afford it, they have a big country, what can I say. Even I also hate to see them playing Worldpolice, but, they have the technology and the power to do it.
On the other side, someone has to play worldpolice to avoid that some countries start to have too much keen visions of a worldfuture.
USA belongs to the free world, same as West-Europe, and we like that this freedom and peace prevails.
 
Might be, but what will the best pilots be able to do, if they have no field to take off? In a war, first actions to be taken are 'Shutting down the enemies Telecommunication and bombing airfields' . Reign over the air space is the most important strike in war tactics. And for this task, US have stealth bombers. Before Iran would even know, what happen, they would alread have no more intact airfield. You can ask Iraq what happeend ? Not only one single MIG from Iraq's Airforce was able to start. And Iran will be no better, if that would happen.

oh yeah I forgot about the MIG 29's
 
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Might be, but what will the best pilots be able to do, if they have no field to take off? In a war, first actions to be taken are 'Shutting down the enemies Telecommunication and bombing airfields' . Reign over the air space is the most important strike in war tactics. And for this task, US have stealth bombers. Before Iran would even know, what happen, they would alread have no more intact airfield. You can ask Iraq what happeend ? Not only one single MIG from Iraq's Airforce was able to start. And Iran will be no better, if that would happen.

I don't think Iran and Iraq are comparable. Iran is monitoring all of usa's moves. You can be sure that the usa cannot surprise Iran by an attack.

I think it was a couple of weeks ago, where Iran published a video tape of a us naval ship. they were monitoring it, the naval base had no clue
 
Oh sure. I admit that. US can afford it, they have a big country, what can I say. Even I also hate to see them playing Worldpolice, but, they have the technology and the power to do it.
On the other side, someone has to play worldpolice to avoid that some countries start to have too much keen visions of a worldfuture.
USA belongs to the free world, same as West-Europe, and we like that this freedom and peace prevails.

Well i think everyone will agree that someone needs to police the 'world police'
 
I don't think Iran and Iraq are comparable. Iran is monitoring all of usa's moves. You can be sure that the usa cannot surprise Iran by an attack.

I think it was a couple of weeks ago, where Iran published a video tape of a us naval ship. they were monitoring it, the naval base had no clue

I can believe that, because after all americans are pretty dum:Db, with all their kills from friendly fire :)
 
how can you possibly install a more pro-Iranian government in Iraq than the shiite trash that has already been put in power there, short of annexation?

Thats why I said, attacking Iran in such unfavourable circumstances seems near to impossible for the US.
 
I don't think Iran and Iraq are comparable. Iran is monitoring all of usa's moves. You can be sure that the usa cannot surprise Iran by an attack.

I think it was a couple of weeks ago, where Iran published a video tape of a us naval ship. they were monitoring it, the naval base had no clue

I am quite positive that Iraq was no "suprise attack", I believe Bush said surrender or fight, or something to that effect. If you honestly think that the Iranian military could win a military fight against the US, you are off your rocker. But hey, you are welcome to have national pride, whether or not it is irrational, who knows unless it happens right? I am a realist however, and if a country like the US was able to strike my soil within an hour and cause the devastation that I think you and I and everyone else knows it has the capability to do, I certainly wouldnt be wanting to wake that beast.
 
Root, Iranians elected Amadinajad themselves, so he's democratically elected by the people of Iran.

I agree they did. However, they voted from a list of candidates approved by a higher authority. In the last election upto 60 candidates were refused permission to stand for election.

No wonder the current president is nothing more than a puppet.
 
Freedom to opinion

OK. Mahmoud Salehi was arrested in April 2007 for organizing a peaceful demonstration on May Day 2004 and for his trade union activities. He is still in an Iranian prison cell. What do you think about this?


Free Elections

Ayatollah Sayed ‘Ali Khamenei decides who can and who cannot stand for election. True or false?

Still waiting for an answer........
 
Unless this questioning is some sort of justification to 'Deliver Iran to the Gates o' Helllll!!!11One', I don't see what it really has to do with the topic, folks.
 
Who is OBL? Is he not another one of bush's friends? his business partner? I could claim responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. Does that mean it's true? There are many evidences proving that 9/11 attacks were all planed by the us government. We can never say for sure who was responsible. We could all be right, as well as wrong.
This is all just ridiculous speculation... here have a look at this site
I am sure you will either a) not respond or b) call it some sort of propoganda

The usa has NO right to be in Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan OUR neighboring coutry or yours? If that's the case Iran should be there. Since the arrival of us troops the number of drug addicts has gone up like crazy, as well as exports. . .
They were harboring OBL, they had a choice to hand him over or go to war, they chose war
What gives the usa the right to make a rash decision and take thousands of innocent lives? Who made the usa the boss? All countries can take care of themselves without any help from the usa. A solution for middle east? Middle east doesn't need any if the problem (usa & israel) didn't exist.
As I said before, you cant make an attack on someones soil like OBL did and not expect a military response, plain and simple. The US isnt looking for a solution for the middle east, the US is looking for a security solution for its own grass. Changing your values, etc. means nothing to the US because as you said, most people dont even know or care for that matter.

He was in fact a product of the usa. Who was fueling him with weapons in the Iran-Iraq war? If he had any weapons of mass destruction it was all leftovers from usa's support, and also germany, france, etc.
Iran got weapons from the US as well, the US wasnt supporting either country since they were both a threat to us. The idea was probably more along the lines of let them destroy each other

There are many theories regarding the shah of Iran. One being that the shah had gained too much power which made the usa fear him. This theory even says that khomeini was working with the usa!
What sense does that make? The Shah was dying of cancer, Khomeini wanted him back to put him on trial, the US didnt extradite him, Khomeini allowed the students to take the US embassy, and the whole point was to draw the US into releasing the Shah back to Iran.. If the Shah were a threat to the US why not support Khomeini and avoid the conflict all together?

In politics nothing is 100% true, everything is a lie, at the same time the truth!
Manipulation?

That is exactly my point. They're all lost in entertainment. I didn't say no one knows anything about politics. But when I lived in nyc and was asked where I'm from, after hearing Iran this was the response I got: "Where is that? In Europe somewhere?" Most of the usa's citizens have no clue what's going on in the world. Plus, it's not the people, it's the government! I even met some people who loved Iranians!
Pretty sad, I must agree

The problems are the governments, not the people.
I agree, what to do about it though? I dont know if there is a government in the world anymore that isnt corrupt

Oh it's excellent, thanks for asking. How's the recession doing in the usa?
Percentage of poor people, hmmmm, where did you get these percentages? I'm happy with my life here, and we help as many poor people as possible. Even though there aren't many poor people, but our several thousand year old culture teaches us to help the needy.
Recession? hmmm I guess 4% economy growth could be a recession, if you just figure it is because it isnt 8% anymore, but I would say growth in an economy with a real estate slump and at war time is pretty good wouldnt you? I wonder how Ahmadinejad would handle that???? Not well I would guess.. As far as your figures go, I would say any country with an average GDP per capita of $8900.00 is pretty poor, I make more than that in 1 month. Or I could go with the figure of 40% of people living below the poverty line, or the Iranian government estimate of 15% unemployment, when obviously that is an understatement. (by the way I am sure you will have something to say about the site this is quoted from but the same information can be derived from any other site that you wish to find it on)

Ahmadinejad is doing a fantastic job, I'd love to see bush in Ahmadinejad's situation, and compare the results. With all these sanctions and pressure that's on Iran, he's doing a fabulous job.
I find it amusing you think he is different or better than Bush... By the way have you seen any of that oil money he promised when he was running for president?

Number of countries burning Iran's flag: 0
Number of countries burning the usa's flag: lost count after 50.
You were counting?? :ooh:

News hot from the oven: usa naval base commander confesses the explosions weren't from Iran....something called philipine monkey....don't remember exactly, I'm sleepy!
provide proof (hope it isnt any opiates that are making you sleepy or delusional, since Iran does have the highest number of opiate users in the world...)

What are the naval bases doing all the way here anyways? Go home to your own country!

just looking out for our countries best interests
 
BY the way, I should add that I am not meaning to demean the Iranian people either. I am sure they are great people, I am demeaning their government because with the amount of oil revenues that they have coming in their people could be living much better... I think that they could be a lot like the Sauds in that respect that the government does whatever it wants with the money whether it be to fill their own pockets or whatever. In regards to this thread, I have to say again if the Iranian military wants to strike a US carrier or ship expect a reprucussion. I dont think they are stupid enough to do it, but then again who knows... If they did I would support a US military response, but otherwise I say just leave them alone. The problem is Iran is at much to blame as the US, the harsh rhetoric gets us no where and only fuels the fire. You should be condemning those Iranians who threatened the US ships, they had no right to do that, those ships were in international waters. Think if they attacked, whose fault would that have been? Not the US's, so then what are you fighting for?
 
Moshen;

How old are you?

I live near one of the biggest Persian communities in the US and have several good Persian friends. They are engineers and IT guys and doctors and such. You know what...none of them sound like you.
 
If NATO's got the usa's back, Russia's backing Iran, they might not care much about Iran, but a lot of their interests are in Iran. You can be sure if usa makes the smallest move towards Iran, Russia will be here smacking the usa around.

I'm not 'sure' of that, because it isn't true. The Russians are pragmatists.. not quite in the same league as the Chinese in that department but pragmatists nonetheless. Their interests in Iran are based partly on a desire to foster (almost) anything or anybody 'anti-American' in the hope that will leave room to expand their own influence back to something like it was in the Soviet era. They are mostly based on generating hard cash. In neither case do the rewards justify attempting to "smack the USA around" which, as a point of interest, they are totally incapable of doing anyway.
 
Originally Posted by NoName55
how can you possibly install a more pro-Iranian government in Iraq than the shiite trash that has already been put in power there, short of annexation?
Thats why I said, attacking Iran in such unfavorable circumstances seems near to impossible for the US.
ok, thank you
 
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can nato actually be relied on???? i constantly see US generals calling on nato to do more in the war in Afghanistan............

where is nato in iraq?????????? it seems nato has made its stance pretty clear, your all aloneeeeeeee mr USA....off course they will make the odd speech of were all in this together bla bla bla
 
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