"I'm scared of jinn..."

[krypton6]

I apologize regarding my a bit confusing text (god part).

 

[Souljette]

Salamualikum, No offense but bro krypton6...i'm completely baffled by the things you are saying..apparantly you haven't seen someone possessed or you wouldn't say these things...I have lost an aunt and baby cuzin because of this possession...one of the pillars of Islam is believing in jinns and angels and everything that Allah (S.W.T) has created..you say that you don't believe anything that is not proven by science....Allah(S.W.T) created science and science is explained in the Quran long time before scientists figured it out...One thing about is Islam is being open-minded to analyse things ...if it was one story about jinn possession then you not believing it is understandable b ut when many people in different parts of the world talk about jinn possession how can you just shrug it off like it was a bad cough or something..specially when its sooo close to home..when people are talkin about being possessed and telling their stories..i would think the same if it didn't happen so close to home..Allahu alaam.

 

[piXie]

Because I have never heard of seen any of it, none of it has bin recorded, and none of it has bin proven.

Its been recorded n proven in the Qur'an and in the Hadith. That should be enough for us if we believe in Allah.

I dont believe that a human evil enough to be able to use magic exists today.

Brother, If there was no magic today then Allah and His Messenger :arabic5: would not have told us to read the Qul every morning and evening:

Surah Al Ikhlaas, Surah Al Falaq, and Surah An-Naas.

These intructions have been given to us, the Ummah of Rasool Allah :arabic5: for all times. The Quran and Hadith have been left to us to abide by for all times.

Every morning and evening in Surah Al Falaq, verse 4 we read, "wa min sharrin nafaasaati fil uqad"

"from the evil of the witches who BLOW into the knots."

That is magic, and magic exists today. If it didn't exist today, that verse wouldn't be relevant anymore, and not needed. Now how can a verse of the Qur'an not be needed? The Quran is a complete guide for us, an instruction manual, to protect us and give us success, can u imagine its verses expiring and going out of date? If we believe that magic can't exist today and that people are good, then automatically we are believing this verse has expired.

The "evil" people of our times are the ones who are addicted to life, in the past there was no life to addict yourself to so the evil people of the past were trully evil people who's intentions were to harm people as much as possible

Brother the people who are addicted to life are the people who don't want to return to Allah. If you look back into history and go through the verses of the Qur'an, you will find that people like that existed before too. They were addicted to life. Many of them knew that if they return to Allah they would be screwed for all the evil they had done. They performed magic, which Allah has put on this world as a test. They knew that the one to perform this dark art would never go to heaven. But they went by their desires and didn't care, they sold their souls to the shaytaan, do u think they were eager to return to Allah after that? Ofcourse not, they wanted to live forever. And people like that exist today too. How can they not?

Have all the people started fearing Allah today? Do all the people love one another today? Do they control their desires and anger and jealousy's today? No they don't brother, many people when they get angry they want to harm. Many people when they get jealous they desire the person they are jealous of be destroyed.There are many people NOWADAYS, uneducated and immoral, who don't fear Allah, who have sold their souls for the duniya, and will do anything to satisfy their desires and emotions. So what will stop them from using Magic? Tis cool, they say!

And if Jinns still exist (which they do because the shaytaan still exists and he is a jinn) what garantee or proof can we give that magic does not exist?

Magic exists today, the evil eye exists today, the Jinns exist today, the Shaytaans exist today, just because we haven't see it, doesn't mean they don't exist today!

n If we believe that people are not evil enough to use this magic, n get the Jinns to assist them, then we are being very innocent and just don't know what goes on in the world.

and harm God as much as possible which is why the satans helped them.

No one is able to harm God. Allah says If we do wrong, we only harm ourselves.

 

[truemuslim]

Possessed? I dont believe in jins being able to posses a person! It trully quite simply is ridiculous, its equal to being afraid a fish, only a fish is seeable and a jin is not making the jin-phobia even more ridiculous.

...welcome brother...to my group...lol

 

[Mikayeel]

...welcome brother...to my group...lol

oooh noo! not u aswell truemuslim.... u dnt believe in it either??:heated:

 

[truemuslim]

Sorry for my language but there is no better word to describe my opinion regarding jins being able to posses humans than the word; Bull****!

I have NEVER EVER heard of a person who has bin taken down by a jin. People who claim to have bin possesed by jins are what I call 'crazy'.

May I ask how you remove the jin from a possesed body?

lol yeah.. so u are just born and a jinnn gets in ur body and and makes u do all haram...then leaves right when u about to die then u go to hell..:mmokay:

kinda like those ppl who others think got jin in them so they take the person...make em lie down...one person steps on there belly FULL WIEGHT and push.. and the other person chokes them...and FINALLY they GET THE JINN OUT!!...of course they get the person out too...:giggling:

 

[truemuslim]

oooh noo! not u aswell truemuslim.... u dnt believe in it either??:heated:

i believe it... i just dont believe they can take someones body... unless of course it comes and i see it.

after all there can be a jinn talking to u right now...me...hahahahha MUAHAHAHHA

see hamada.. i a jinn talkin to u. not a muslim one either... i a jin a jin muahahahhahaha... so what shud i do wit this body...?

 

[truemuslim]

y'all are scared now aintu

 

[Mikayeel]

i believe it... i just dont believe they can take someones body... unless of course it comes and i see it.

after all there can be a jinn talking to u right now...me...hahahahha MUAHAHAHHA

see hamada.. i a jinn talkin to u. not a muslim one either... i a jin a jin muahahahhahaha... so what shud i do wit this body...?

loooool:Evil: oke lissen, here is a guy possed by a jihn look at it... something like that i have seen in real life

(and this is not an act) its real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5C-VZN-lZQ&feature=related( everyone who gets scared be aware!!!!)

salam

 

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:salamext:

Aren't Muslims supposed to believe in the Unseen?

 

[truemuslim]

...hm...nice vid...k... so..if i do believe it can posses...which i never really denied much... i wouldnt fear it... it aint even scary...its just...hmm...whats that word...normal...u kno those ghost hunters? yah...a chair fell..so they called the cops and alll.. saying there a ghost...im like ...wth they talkin bout? oh did i mention it was outside?...i kno..

 

[truemuslim]

i believe the 'unseen' and i 'belive' they posess... i just dunt believe its scary a single bit... what i think IS scary is 'Saw'... or final destination... *shivering* (fo real i am... its cold)

 

[Souljette]

Lol..sis that's your point of view...i'm not scared of them either but everyone has their own fear...which they have to overcome..and its normal to have fear of sumthng..and to help people overcome we tell them to read surahs and everything..therez a solution for everything in the quran mashallah

 

[krypton6]

Brother, If there was no magic today then Allah and His Messenger :arabic5: would not have told us to read the Qul every morning and evening:

Magic exists but magic firstly is not related to jins, nor is it a a commen thing. It is very very very rare, and only the most evil humans are capeable of doing some.

But they went by their desires and didn't care, they sold their souls to the shaytaan, do u think they were eager to return to Allah after that? Ofcourse not, they wanted to live forever. And people like that exist today too. How can they not?

No I have not heard or seen anyone that does not care about life but instead only cares about damaging islam and attempting to help satan.

There are many people NOWADAYS, uneducated and immoral, who don't fear Allah, who have sold their souls for the duniya, and will do anything to satisfy their desires and emotions. So what will stop them from using Magic? Tis cool, they say! ?

Who dont believe in god! Using magic is a very very very rare and unic evil ability and simple criminal is not capeable of using magic. Those rapers, murderes and thieves do not believe in god nor do they care a thing about god, they are to busy fulfilling their desires and their desires do not include harming islam and mankind as a whole. A person that uses magic is someone who believes in god, and hates god to the point where he or she is so evil that satans start helping him doing magic.

And if Jinns still exist (which they do because the shaytaan still exists and he is a jinn) what garantee or proof can we give that magic does not exist?

Magic itself can be done, but not by many in fact I do not believe that any on this planet in this age are evil enough to do it.

Magic exists today, the evil eye exists today, the Jinns exist today, the Shaytaans exist today, just because we haven't see it, doesn't mean they don't exist today!

Magic itself exists, the evil eye is very very very rare but probably exists in africa, Jinns exist but they do not posses humans, the shaytaans exist but they do not posses present humans.

The fact that I have not seen it nor heard of it makes it clear for me that it is either incredibly rare or that no humans alive are evil enough to gain the ability to do so.

No one is able to harm God. Allah says If we do wrong, we only harm ourselves.

God cannot be harmed, but his creations and creation can.

 

[krypton6]

Despite what you think, magic DOES involve the use of jinn.

As for all this, where are you getting it from, bro? How do you know that magic is a rare ability?

I meant that magic in the first place does not involve the jins, it is the humans that have to take the greate step of becomming evil. It is not the jins themselfs that help humans gaining the ability of magic, it is the shayateens. Satans are jins but jins are not satans..

I believe that magic is rare simply because it has never bin trully recorded nor confirmed by any real schoolar, nor have I personally seen it or heard of it in action.

What do you mean exactly mean by magic?

 

[krypton6]

Salamualikum, No offense but bro krypton6...i'm completely baffled by the things you are saying..apparantly you haven't seen someone possessed or you wouldn't say these things...I have lost an aunt and baby cuzin because of this possession...one of the pillars of Islam is believing in jinns and angels and everything that Allah (S.W.T) has created..you say that you don't believe anything that is not proven by science....Allah(S.W.T) created science and science is explained in the Quran long time before scientists figured it out...One thing about is Islam is being open-minded to analyse things ...if it was one story about jinn possession then you not believing it is understandable b ut when many people in different parts of the world talk about jinn possession how can you just shrug it off like it was a bad cough or something..specially when its sooo close to home..when people are talkin about being possessed and telling their stories..i would think the same if it didn't happen so close to home..Allahu alaam.

No I have never seen anyone possessed, nor have I ever heard of any. How could your aunt and baby cuzin possibly have died as a result of pssession?

I believe in jinns and angels, but I do not believe that they are capeable of entering this world. God created two worlds on the same planet, one is for the jins one os for humans, now why would he allow them to enter a world they he did not create for them? How come jins can enter our world but we cannot enter theirs? Quite frankly anyone claiming to have bin possessed I would look down to, I just dont believe in jins being able to possess a human body. God created their world for them and our world for us! May I ask how one is possesed by a jin then?

 

[krypton6]

Bro...many, mannnyyy scholars have talked on magic!

I dont know any

By magic, I don't mean something like an ugly witch flicking a wand that turns somebody into a toad, or anything fairy-taley like that...

Real magic is stuff like, for instance, where a person causes seperation between a married couple, or causes illnesses upon somebody, or make people lose their sanity, make them love somebody, make them lose blessings in wealth...stuff like that.

By magic I do not mean cursing a person and bringing a curse over him. THAT I do not believe in at all!

By magic I mean real magic where the human eye see's what is not infront of him, nothing actully hapends in reality but the magic is making the person blinded of the reality. By magic I mean real magic that you can see notice instantly such as vodoo or the reality blinding.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

I dont know any

By magic I do not mean cursing a person and bringing a curse over him. THAT I do not believe in at all!

By magic I mean real magic where the human eye see's what is not infront of him, nothing actully hapends in reality but the magic is making the person blinded of the reality. By magic I mean real magic that you can see notice instantly such as vodoo or the reality blinding.

what stuff like the disappearing act? and abra ca dabraa??

 

[krypton6]

I quoted to you sahih hadiths, one of which showing how the prophet, peace be upon him, was himself afflicted by black magic...why isn't that enough for you to believe?!

I'm not talking about what hapend 1400 years ago. 1400 years ago were different times with different people, since I have no idea what hadith it is that your talking about I'll exclude my opinion regarding "curs magic" 1400 years ago.

 

[Mikayeel]

brother krypton6 what are you talking about?? u are confusing youre self and others... islam is islam! the saying of the quran are till the end of time so are the saying of our beloved prophet muhammed(may allah shower his peace and blessings upon him!) Magic is magic it exist if you agree or not... people get possessed if u want it or not... above are enough hadith to confirm that... and plus evil is caused by the jihn under the command of a human... i can confirm this by this aya.. 'And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the males among the jinn, but they (jinn) increased them (mankind) in sin and transgression(5) surah al Jihn.

"And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah confirming what was with them, a party of those who were given the scripture threw away the book of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know. And they followed what the devils gave out falsely of magic of the reign of Solomon; for Solomon did not disbelieve but the devils disbelieved, teaching men magic and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels Harut and Marut, but neither of these two (angles) taught anyone (such things) until they had said: we are only for trial, so don't disbelieve. And from them (magicians) people learn that through which they would cause separation between a person and his spouse, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allah's leave; and they learn that which harms them rather than profits them. And indeed they knew that its practitioner would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their own selves if they but knew" (2:101-2).

read this ayah...

Salam 3alekum brother krypton6 this here is enough proof(read over the hadith given in this thread aswell).. its up to you to believe in the quran or not... if u choose not to please keep it to your self since you are causing confusing to the brothers/sisters here...
salam