UAE a model Muslim Country- Bush

[Whatsthepoint]

Because the people in a country are predominantly Arab does not mean they are Muslim. Morocco has a large number of Christian and Jewish Arabs.

That doesn't mean that only jews and christians produce wine in Morocco..

 

[Woodrow]

That doesn't mean that only jews and christians produce wine in Morocco..

That is true. I even knew a pig farmer in Morocco who professed to be Muslim. He saw no harm in raising the pigs, as he was not the one eating the pork. I was not Muslim at the time and at the time his comment was logical to me.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

That doesn't mean that only jews and christians produce wine in Morocco..

That doesn't mean that no Jews and Christians produce wine in Morocco. I'm sure most of it is produced by the Christians.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Well it's easy to do what Wilberhum is doing. Sitting behind is PC and justifying the war. If you know that the Taliban or Al-Qaeda hides in civilian homes then WHY IN THE HELL YOU TARGET THEM? Only an idiot won't know that the Air Strikes are bound to cause civilian casualties. Maybe Wilberhum thinks it's alright to kill women, children and destroy homes in order to kill a bad guy. What wrong did those poor people commit. Maybe when someone nukes your country, then you would understand.

 

[wilberhum]

Well it's easy to do what Wilberhum is doing. Sitting behind is PC and justifying the war. If you know that the Taliban or Al-Qaeda hides in civilian homes then WHY IN THE HELL YOU TARGET THEM? Only an idiot won't know that the Air Strikes are bound to cause civilian casualties. Maybe Wilberhum thinks it's alright to kill women, children and destroy homes in order to kill a bad guy. What wrong did those poor people commit. Maybe when someone nukes your country, then you would understand.

Ah gee, not naming body parts any more?

Poor sick child. Now you have proven you ability for profanity and your inability to read you should get your head out of the

 

[Omari]

Poor sick child. Now you have proven you ability for profanity and your inability to read...

He has a point, ofcourse i am aware that in war civilians die. And i am aware that it's inevitable. I don't think you understand the situation though, they are bombing places where they "suspect" the taliban are hiding. Imagine you are sitting on your computer and suddenly a rocket falls on your roof [GOD FORBID] and kills your family and everyone you hold dear [GOD FORBID]
are you going to say "ah, sacrafices must be made". or are you going to stand up to the troops and argue that what they did was wrong?

It's always experience that puts people to test, and i don't expect you to know how terrifying the reality is.
Omari

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Ah gee, not naming body parts any more?

Poor sick child. Now you have proven you ability for profanity and your inability to read you should get your head out of the

I don't really understand what are you trying to say. Maybe when the Taliban comes to your house and puts you under gunpoint to provide them shelter, you would understand what I'm trying to say. And when the Americans air strike your house killing the Taliban and murdering half of your family; maybe the justification you are giving Omari would be really helpful. You think that Afghan gives a **** about how evil that Taliban is anymore? You have just destroyed his life. When it's all to clear from History that war does more harm than good, then why keep repeating it. And seriously Air Strikes are the worst kinds of attacks. Maybe Afghan President - Karzai will agree with me on this one.

 

[wilberhum]

He has a point, ofcourse i am aware that in war civilians die. And i am aware that it's inevitable. I don't think you understand the situation though, they are bombing places where they "suspect" the taliban are hiding. Imagine you are sitting on your computer and suddenly a rocket falls on your roof [GOD FORBID] and kills your family and everyone you hold dear [GOD FORBID]
are you going to say "ah, sacrafices must be made". or are you going to stand up to the troops and argue that what they did was wrong?

It's always experience that puts people to test, and i don't expect you to know how terrifying the reality is.
Omari

Of course he has a point. He is also the kind of coward that hides behind his computer and insults people and calls them names. But he would wet his pants if he experienced the things you did.
You may not understand the cause of my remarks. The post where he truly reviled the type of person he is was deleted.

I probably understand a lot better than you think. I am under no illusion that war is horrible creation man has ever made. No one can know the terror that you have seen. That is why you will have a respect from me that you will never understand.

It saddens me that the US has exercised the war so badly, but I do not apologize for attacking a country who's government protected those who had declared war on us and made numerous attacks on us. Don't forget 9/11 was not the first.

I would like to close with a request to PM me. I think it would be amazing to get to know and understand the experiences that you have had.

Truly
Wilber

 

[wilberhum]

I don't really understand what are you trying to say.
Ignorance is something I guess you will just have to bare.
Maybe when the Taliban comes to your house and puts you under gunpoint to provide them shelter, you would understand what I'm trying to say.
What a pile, that is what I was saying. And you don't have the first clue of what you are talking about.
And when the Americans air strike your house killing the Taliban and murdering half of your family; maybe the justification you are giving Omari would be really helpful. You think that Afghan gives a **** about how evil that Taliban is anymore? You have just destroyed his life. When it's all to clear from History that war does more harm than good, then why keep repeating it. And seriously Air Strikes are the worst kinds of attacks. Maybe Afghan President - Karzai will agree with me on this one.

You just make me feel so bad.

So just go away little boy.

 

[Sufimystic]

Iran in my opinion is a better example of an islamic republic.....the UAE laws seems to discriminate other sects such as shi'as and sufis. Iran needs to lead the fight against the neocons of american and the zionists of israel. Iran itself is being bullied by all presidential candidates except Ron Paul who is the only pro-muslim candidate IMHO.

 

[Sufimystic]

Though I think there can be a far better Islamic republic than anything that has passed before........UAE is far from ideal.

 

[Chuck]

I live in UAE, I guess, I should add my $0.02.

1. In Dubai, I practice Islam fine, I've been to many places around the world both muslim and non-muslim, and I found UAE to be the best place for me to live. There are night clubs and booze in hotels, muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol, bars don't enforce this policy strictly but it is not like non-muslim and some muslim countries - drunken people are not allowed on streets or they face strict penalties. Dubai, Ajman, and Um ul qwain have lenient policies on drinking, but rest of the states are strict about it. Dubai is still better than other two, because in Ajman people seem to drink on streets and muslims are allowed to drink unlike Dubai. UAE is not perfect but I found it better than other places overall. Westernization and drinking problem is much worse in other muslim countries as already mentioned Egypt, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, but I wonder why nobody brings them in discussions. UAE and Saudia seems to get bad press from both muslims and non-muslims in different occasions, yet both are better than many countries in the world (muslim and non-muslim). Perhaps because people are in us vs them thinking and respond with knee jerk reactions.

2. There are labour issues here, but nobody talks about the changes govt. has made in last 2 years. They have improved labour laws, prosecuted companies who were not treating their labours well, set up an hot-line specifically for labour complains, and building modern labour complexes http://www.estatesdubai.com/2007/10/construction-work-commences-on-abu.html Not to mention, I've seen Mexicans treated much worse in USA, but nobody brings that even in news. I guess they don't deserve better living *sarcasm* There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but I doubt it these discussions are about constructive criticism.

3. I've not seen any discrimination of shias, sufies, or bahais. I've been to Iran and discrimination of sunnis and bahis was very bad there. I even heard of hate crimes against them, sunni and bahai Imams and preacher sometimes disappear in Iran and police seems reluctant on investigations. Some people said police is involved in the disappearance similar to cases in Iraq (disclaimer: I'm not saying this true that police is doing this, it maybe nothing more than hearsay). Nothing this sort happens here, and people of different faiths and sects are living happy and prosper lives.

UAE is not perfect, but no place is if you think about it, but it is in the right direction and progressing very fast. It is doing pretty good for approx. 30 year old country.

 

[Abu Thabit]

Brother Chuck masha-Allah you didnt leave anything for me to say, so Jazaka Allahu Khayra

but I want to add a few points only,

I was born and raised in Dubai and Im a citizen of UAE, if I criticized my country Ill be more accurate than most of the brothers and sisters who did -may Allah bless us all-, and some of them -may Allah forgive us all- forgot about the countries that they are living in right now, Im sure if you compared those countries with UAE, you'll find that UAE is somewhat better

Talking about the "fitna", and that its increasing here, I totally agree with that, but the places of fitna are known, so if someone goes to those places they only have to blame themselves, they should avoid going there in the first time

Religiously- many people are converting to Islam wal-Hamdulillah here in the UAE, and the seeking of knowledge started emerging too wa-lillahi-alhamd, you cant fix a country without fixing its people, if the people are headed to the right path, the country will, but if the people kept complaining about the country and ask for changes while they dont change themselves, things will remain the same, or get worse

Overall, even though there are many mistakes in the UAE, still you can see the light at the end of the tunnel, and I ask Allah the Most High to guide us all to the righteous path, Allahumma Ameen

 

[Ebtisweetsam]

UAE has embraced the western economy. It tolerates the western lifestlye. It sells its goods and beauties mostly to the westerners and east Asians.

Of cousre if ur going to choose a rich country to visit, be treated like royalty, ur gonna have a few good things to say about them... in my books, he shoulda been rejected to visit... jis like he rejects people like Yusuf Islam entering his country.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

The bottom line is, if a country isn't pro america (SA) etc they will label you a ''terrorist nation' this is how it's been. Look at Cuba. Iraq was once 'pro usa' when Sadaam stopped playing ball they turned on him an decided he committed crimes against humanity (which he did) but the yanks went along with it at that time because it suited them.

I'm glad Iran are keeping dubya on his toes. It brings out the idiot in him (even more so than usual)

Gur Fateh!

 

[MTAFFI]

I live in UAE, I guess, I should add my $0.02.

1. In Dubai, I practice Islam fine, I've been to many places around the world both muslim and non-muslim, and I found UAE to be the best place for me to live. There are night clubs and booze in hotels, muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol, bars don't enforce this policy strictly but it is not like non-muslim and some muslim countries - drunken people are not allowed on streets or they face strict penalties. Dubai, Ajman, and Um ul qwain have lenient policies on drinking, but rest of the states are strict about it. Dubai is still better than other two, because in Ajman people seem to drink on streets and muslims are allowed to drink unlike Dubai. UAE is not perfect but I found it better than other places overall. Westernization and drinking problem is much worse in other muslim countries as already mentioned Egypt, Lebanon, Morocco, Tunisia, but I wonder why nobody brings them in discussions. UAE and Saudia seems to get bad press from both muslims and non-muslims in different occasions, yet both are better than many countries in the world (muslim and non-muslim). Perhaps because people are in us vs them thinking and respond with knee jerk reactions.

2. There are labour issues here, but nobody talks about the changes govt. has made in last 2 years. They have improved labour laws, prosecuted companies who were not treating their labours well, set up an hot-line specifically for labour complains, and building modern labour complexes http://www.estatesdubai.com/2007/10/construction-work-commences-on-abu.html Not to mention, I've seen Mexicans treated much worse in USA, but nobody brings that even in news. I guess they don't deserve better living *sarcasm* There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but I doubt it these discussions are about constructive criticism.

3. I've not seen any discrimination of shias, sufies, or bahais. I've been to Iran and discrimination of sunnis and bahis was very bad there. I even heard of hate crimes against them, sunni and bahai Imams and preacher sometimes disappear in Iran and police seems reluctant on investigations. Some people said police is involved in the disappearance similar to cases in Iraq (disclaimer: I'm not saying this true that police is doing this, it maybe nothing more than hearsay). Nothing this sort happens here, and people of different faiths and sects are living happy and prosper lives.

UAE is not perfect, but no place is if you think about it, but it is in the right direction and progressing very fast. It is doing pretty good for approx. 30 year old country.

I just wanted to add that I have been to the UAE as a non-muslim (havent been back as a muslim yet) and I found it to be a great country. It is expanding at a rapid rate and I think that is because of its tolerance of other people and cultures, while at the same time holding on to its own. Which kind of leads to what Abu Thabit said, that the people ultimately decide what kind of country they live in, personally I think they are doing a good job. Very friendly and very accomodating, great looking city too, very clean. What is sad is I think UAE gets criticized more for its tolerance than anything. As Abu said the places of "fitna" are easily spotted and known, a practicing Muslim with the help of Allah wouldnt and probably doesnt look twice at these places. Perhaps when I go back as a Muslim I will be a little more capable of giving a better perspective of how well it performs as a "model muslim country" if it must be described that way.

Peace

 

[north_malaysian]

I would say many of the Muslims in the "East Indies" (Sumatra, Java, Borneo, Timor etc) hated the Dutch and the Portuguese (probably less so the Brits) but I don't think they were particularly enamored with the Japanese either. One can hardly blame that on the US.

None of the present generation of Muslims in the East Indies hated Dutch, Portugal, British, Japanese etc. It's because, for younger generation that was something in the past that have nothing to do with the present generation..

Malaysia had been colonised by Thailand, Portugal, Netherlands, Britain and Japan .... but we have great relationships with those countries and their peoples... no problem.... in fact the Thais, Portuguese, Dutchmen, Britons and Japanese formed 2% of the population.

Many Thais and Portuguese people in Malaysia were given "Bumiputra" (Native/Indigenous) status.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Of course he has a point. He is also the kind of coward that hides behind his computer and insults people and calls them names. But he would wet his pants if he experienced the things you did.
You may not understand the cause of my remarks. The post where he truly reviled the type of person he is was deleted.

I probably understand a lot better than you think. I am under no illusion that war is horrible creation man has ever made. No one can know the terror that you have seen. That is why you will have a respect from me that you will never understand.

It saddens me that the US has exercised the war so badly, but I do not apologize for attacking a country who's government protected those who had declared war on us and made numerous attacks on us. Don't forget 9/11 was not the first.

Truly
Wilber

Well, look. I didn't mean to call YOU "****". I saw you neg rep me for that. If you noticed, there was an *******(s) behind that word meaning it was plural. I was referring to the brutal army which according to you " exercised the war so badly". So if you had said all these statements back then, I would not have got 'edgier" and responded angrily. The way I saw it you couldn't care less for the civilians who die in war because "They were not the intended targets" and "It's war after all". I was wrong and you came clean. Yes, of course you don't have to apologize but in future pls remind your countrymen to be MORE CAREFUL.

Can we put this hate aside now:uhwhat. Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

Time will tell.