Death penalty????

[Whatsthepoint]

The problem with that is most of the time if they are released( they will try their best to get out quickly by behaving well) they will carry on killing agian... and that is a big chance to take..

That's why I do not support paroles granted by people who've just graduated from law school...
As I said before, people should be treated by medical doctors and it's medical doctors who should have the right to decide when somebody's been rehabilitated.

 

[Omari]

Well, I guess the death of the rapist/paedophile can be a consolation to the victim...but I don't think this is the reason we should introduce the death penalty. Life in prison is a better option, together with a full medical and psychiatric assistance for the victim.
People rarely think that people to be executed have a families as well. IMO death penalty causes more trouble and more suffering alltogether than (life in) prison.

I disagree, ofcourse I understand that the "to be" executed have families. But isn't it the familys' responsability to take neccessary precautions in order to keep the community safe from their son/brother/father etc?

Life imprisonment is only 25 years. So in an average lifetime, a commited pedophile will have ruined the lives of ATLEAST 3 people. Keep in mind that most pedphiles are imprisoned for multiple offences, so the result of my calculation will most likely increase as appose to decreasing.

Death penalty not only rids the community of the pedophile, but it also warns the others of the consequence. Just the word "death" should suffice. And this is only speaking of pedophiles. A death penalty, even if not practiced should stop the offenders and anti-social elements.

Peace
Omari

 

[Whatsthepoint]

I disagree, ofcourse I understand that the "to be" executed have families. But isn't it the familys' responsability to take neccessary precautions in order to keep the community safe from their son/brother/father etc?

Life imprisonment is only 25 years. So in an average lifetime, a commited pedophile will have ruined the lives of ATLEAST 3 people. Keep in mind that most pedphiles are imprisoned for multiple offences, so the result of my calculation will most likely increase as appose to decreasing.

Death penalty not only rids the community of the pedophile, but it also warns the others of the consequence. Just the word "death" should suffice. And this is only speaking of pedophiles. A death penalty, even if not practiced should stop the offenders and anti-social elements.

Peace
Omari

Death penalty will in most cases not stop a murder and it most certainly won't stop someone, who can't control their sexual urges, ie paedophiles. the capital punishment is a very mild deterrant when you look at the numbers.
What's the differnce between life in prison and death penalty? None from the public safety point of view. Apart from that, life in prison is cheaper, the state can't mistakenly kill an innocent citizen, the offenender's relatives aren't hurt.... I guess there's less consolidation for the victims and their families, but as I said before, the satet should not act upon the feeligns of traumatised people.
Instead of killing offenders we should try bulding a crimeless society. Look at Switzerland, or Denmark. They haven't executed a man in decades yet the crime stats are very low, much lower than the stats in some countries with the death penalty.

Anyway, sick people should no be executed no matter what the benefits of their execution may be.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

You'e right life is better for them in prison, it's CUSHY!! No bills, no taxes, watch tv, eat, drink, gym, play games, (xboxes, Wii) you name it and they get. No, death IS right for those that cause others to suffer! No questions, It has been decided, for I am the voice of reason...

 

[Mikayeel]

You'e right life is better for them in prison, it's CUSHY!! No bills, no taxes, watch tv, eat, drink, gym, play games, (xboxes, Wii) you name it and they get. No, death IS right for those that cause others to suffer! No questions, It has been decided, for I am the voice of reason...

So those who kill should just uhmm get piled up in a prison and relax the remaining of a somewhat shamefull life? If they are lucky they get the chance to get out agian, to continue their shamefull life.. for I am sure that the life of the prison is better... no taxes, they get to eat and drink... and even play games as u clearly stated.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

So those who kill should just uhmm get piled up in a prison and relax the remaining of a somewhat shamefull life? If they are lucky they get the chance to get out agian, to continue their shamefull life.. for I am sure that the life of the prison is better... no taxes, they get to eat and drink... and even play games as u clearly stated.

I was responding to the chap/chapess above my post. It was sarcasm my dear brother!

 

[InToTheRain]

You'e right life is better for them in prison, it's CUSHY!! No bills, no taxes, watch tv, eat, drink, gym, play games, (xboxes, Wii) you name it and they get. No, death IS right for those that cause others to suffer! No questions, It has been decided, for I am the voice of reason...

LOL, indeed. Some of them "Prisons" are better then some of the houses I have seen and heard about. Seriously man, its like they're making Incentives for ciminals to perpetrate crime... OMG oh: what's the world coming too imsad

 

[Mikayeel]

I was responding to the chap/chapess above my post. It was sarcasm my dear brother!

lool, sorry man i have this thing of jumping to a conclusion very quick!, my apology, hmmm where is Whatsthepoint when u need him uhm...

 

[minaz]

Its interesting how many feel nothing towards the lives of murderers/rapists/abusers (including myself- as in i also share this feeling not that i am any of those 3 )

I can not imagine how it must feel to know a victim let alone be a victom of any of the crimes of murder/rape/abuse. Then again I can not imagine how it would feel to take a persons life.

Under Islamic law the death penalty applies and maming too?

Does anyone think that the penalty of "torture", branding or amputation would have a decreasing effect on these crimes?

 

[جوري]

I believe there is a reason Allah decreed that this people be made an example out of.
I believe we won't know of true justice until we implement shari3a law to its fullest..
people can sit and tweak this law and tweak that law, no one will ever be satsifed and wicked people will continue to thrive and the innocent will suffer with them.. please read suret Al-anfal..

وَاتَّقُواْ فِتْنَةً لاَّ تُصِيبَنَّ الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُواْ مِنكُمْ خَآصَّةً وَاعْلَمُواْ أَنَّ اللّهَ شَدِيدُ الْعِقَابِ {25}​

[Pickthal 8:25] And guard yourselves against a chastisement which cannot fall exclusively on those of you who are wrong-doers, and know that Allah is severe in punishment.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Its interesting how many feel nothing towards the lives of murderers/rapists/abusers (including myself- as in i also share this feeling not that i am any of those 3 )

I can not imagine how it must feel to know a victim let alone be a victom of any of the crimes of murder/rape/abuse. Then again I can not imagine how it would feel to take a persons life.

Under Islamic law the death penalty applies and maming too?

Does anyone think that the penalty of "torture", branding or amputation would have a decreasing effect on these crimes?

Under Shariah don't people get their hands cut off for a crime of theft? I may be happy to see something similar, but not for theft but rape, domestic abuse.

 

[Z-Blade]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله تعالى وبركاته​

Do you guys believe introducing the death penalty to certain Countries would reduce the amount of (serious) crimes? I have discussed this topic many times in class, and without doubt everyone including most of the teachers thought introducing the death penalty (in my case UK) would bring more bedlam!

:wasalamex

Yeah it would reduce crimes as the death penalty works as the ultimate deterrent. It's pretty obvious your teachers are talking based on emotion and not logic/facts since many people in the UK who are punished by the Law here re-offend, as the punishments are too lenient and just don't really work. They may also be atheists/agnostics thinking there is no after life and so the death penalty is too harsh. Allah knows best.

Wassalam.

 

[syilla]

Under Shariah don't people get their hands cut off for a crime of theft? I may be happy to see something similar, but not for theft but rape, domestic abuse.

hands cut off are only for the habitual. Not because if they are desperate or hungry.

Have you noticed that most of the theft offender usually is the serial one.

 

[Z-Blade]

Under Shariah don't people get their hands cut off for a crime of theft? I may be happy to see something similar, but not for theft but rape, domestic abuse.

Rapists get the death penalty in Islam, but I don't know exactly what domestic abusers get, would depend on the level of abuse I guess. They may get lashes and prison - Allah knows best.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Rapists get the death penalty in Islam,

That's acceptable. Perhaps they'll think twice.

 

[guyabano]

have a good look at the creep
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Jesse+K.+Timmendequas&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2


peace!

I don't know if death penalty is adequate. I mean, wouldn't be public humiliation better? Even if you will choose death penalty, well what about the cases which are not 100% clear. And what about psychopaths who are not guilty but just like to choose a way of suicide? THAT also exist! Can you globalize Death Penatly and if not, in what particular cases it should be applied? It is a delicate topic

 

[Mikayeel]

rape crime is soo cruel !!, how can people reach that state in there mind....

and yes they should be killed, surely if they are released from prison they will rape agian!(as proven on many ocations)

Any way can any of the mods Add a POLL to this Thread?
wa alsalaam 3alekum wa rahmat allah wa barakatahu

 

[Mikayeel]

I don't know if death penalty is adequate. I mean, wouldn't be public humiliation better? Even if you will choose death penalty, well what about the cases which are not 100% clear. And what about psychopaths who are not guilty but just like to choose a way of suicide? THAT also exist! Can you globalize Death Penatly and if not, in what particular cases it should be applied? It is a delicate topic

Oke death penalty only applies when one is 100% sure! other than that no point of killing the person(because they get wrong sometimes) and if a person has a mental illness than he is not to blame(depending on hiss illness)

 

[جوري]

I don't know if death penalty is adequate. I mean, wouldn't be public humiliation better? Even if you will choose death penalty, well what about the cases which are not 100% clear. And what about psychopaths who are not guilty but just like to choose a way of suicide? THAT also exist! Can you globalize Death Penatly and if not, in what particular cases it should be applied? It is a delicate topic

Your body right now is making is probably making leukemic cells, imagine your body had failure to recognize them, or was a little lenient as to let them overwhelm your marrow?..

Every society has its misfits and criminals, even inside your own body..

if you didn't have a cell-mediated or humoral immunity, if you didn't have mast cells, Т cells, macrophages, natural killer cells, В cells IG class switching, neutrophils, basophils, tumor necorsis factor etc etc.. you'd be doomed.. we'd all be doomed.. in fact when the 'enemy' wins so to speak it means a demise for the whole.. won't be just your great toe that suffers or your right eye but the body as a whole!

contrast that to society.. a body that is overzelous will have auto-immunity and destory itself while succumbing to the enemy, a body that is lazy in its immunity will like wise succumb to the enemy even if it doesn't attack itself!

It is a delicate balance.. sure you'll have your downtime until the 'good guys' do their job!
A good job can be established in society, by having rightous people who are learned in jurisprudence and are wise, implement God's commandments!

In your body every cell is decreed its job, in life every wo/man has a job.. if we all do our jobs well. we'll live well!

peace

 

[Jayda]

I am a strong advocate of the death penalty..
they have just removed it again from the state of NJ.. you know that baby killer and rapist that tortured and murdered poor young megan

he now gets a roof over his head and three square meals a day for the rest of his life from your tax money.. you know while homeless folks are still dying in the winter with no shelter, a convicted child molestor and murderer gets to get away with his murder..

please think of her last moments with this animal and of her parents, the next time you are convinced that the death penalty is cruel and barbaric!

and also think about the people wrongly condemned to die because of mistakes in the system. mens' judgment is too imperfect to be trusted with life and death, that belongs to God. the death penalty is wrong...