Is the word Muslim new in the Quran only?

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"No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."
 
Now you got me looking through some old Aramaic stuff. But I do know that at the time of the Prophet(PBUH) Aramaic and Arabic were virtually identical. I do not see how a "new" word could have been coined without the Christian Coptic's of the time raising a fuss about a new word.
 
Muslim means somone who submits to god and the will of god...anyone who does that is by far and technically a muslim...or am i wrong
 
שלם
can have a bunch of meanings - probably the same as in arabic.
whole, perfect, complete, safe, healthy, peaceful, total
btw, do you know which language is older - arabic or hebrew? arabic is more complex, if that means anything.
interestingly, "submit" comes from an entirely different root.
but yet, when a person submits or surrenders completely to God - this is peace and wholeness, isn't it?
 
The Hebrew word "Mushlam" comes from the root "Sh L M". "Shalom" which comes from the same root means "peace". The Arabic word "Muslim" comes from the root "S L M". "Salam" means "peace". "Salem" means "safe". Also taken from the Aramaic bible society, http://home.comcast.net/~rzuberi/index_files/page0005.htm, and http://home.comcast.net/~rzuberi/articles/Being_Like_The_Teacher.pdf.



hebrew is older than Arabic, aramaic is in the middle, they have very similar words when I read this
Ein talmeed na'leh 'al rabbo; shekken kal adam she'MUSHLAM yihyeh k'rabbo
I can actually understand what it means.. for instance, the word student/pupil in Arabic is tilmeez, in the above it is talmeed, so you can see how it is very very similar :smile:
but yes Arabic is the most evolved, the richest of the three, and I am not just saying that..

peace
 
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yes he spoke Aramaic, even if others will contend otherwise...

peace
 
שלם
can have a bunch of meanings - probably the same as in arabic.
whole, perfect, complete, safe, healthy, peaceful, total
btw, do you know which language is older - arabic or hebrew? arabic is more complex, if that means anything.
interestingly, "submit" comes from an entirely different root.
but yet, when a person submits or surrenders completely to God - this is peace and wholeness, isn't it?

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Lexicologists generally agree that all three are a dialect of ancient Phoenician. Now it gets to be a big argument as to if Phoenician should be called Hebrew Aramaic or Arabic. Both Hebrew and Arabic script appear to have come from Aramaic script. However, it seems all 3 oral languages are dialects of one language.

For the written language it can be shown that Aramaic is the oldest, than Hebrew and finally Arabic. But as far as the spoken language I believe ancient Aramaic and ancient Arabic would have to be considered to be the same language
 
i can understand some aramaic, and to a lesser extent, some arabic.
you're right about mushlam being from that root, though the common meaning of mushlam is perfect, accomplished.
 
some of the jewish prayers are in aramaic as are some books in the tanach (OT), but i forget which ones at the moment.
 
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Lexicologists generally agree that all three are a dialect of ancient Phoenician. Now it gets to be a big argument as to if Phoenician should be called Hebrew Aramaic or Arabic. Both Hebrew and Arabic script appear to have come from Aramaic script. However, it seems all 3 oral languages are dialects of one language.
Salom Woodrow,

Arabic is not a dialect of ancient Phoenician. Phoenician was a Canaanite language but Arabic is not a Canaanite language. Both are Central Semitic languages.

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For the written language it can be shown that Aramaic is the oldest, than Hebrew and finally Arabic. But as far as the spoken language I believe ancient Aramaic and ancient Arabic would have to be considered to be the same language
Many linguists think Classical Arabic is very similar to Proto-Semitic.
 
"No student can be above his teacher, but everyone that is a MUSLIM, can be as his teacher."
A student is no better than his teacher. But everyone who is well-trained will be like his teacher.

The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

No sound of peace or submission to the will of God..
 
according to that diagram, aramaic is closer to hebrew than arabic.

the relationship is very intertangled. The 3 languages trace back to the West Semitic, and all three have the same original root.

Aramaic especially the Syriac dialect, Has been very much entwined in Arabic.

Arabic script
Origin

The Arabic script evolved from the Nabataean Aramaic script. It has been used since the 4th century AD, but the earliest document, an inscription in Arabic, Syriac and Greek, dates from 512 AD. The Aramaic language has fewer consonants than Arabic, so during the 7th century new Arabic letters were created by adding dots to existing letters in order to avoid ambiguities. Further diacritics indicating short vowels were introduced, but are only generally used to ensure the Qur'an was read aloud without mistakes.

There are two main types of written Arabic:

1. Classical Arabic - the language of the Qur'an and classical literature. It differs from Modern Standard Arabic mainly in style and vocabulary, some of which is archaic. All Muslims are expected to recite the Qur'an in the original language, however many rely on translations in order to understand the text.
2. Modern Standard Arabic - the universal language of the Arabic-speaking world which is understood by all Arabic speakers. It is the language of the vast majority of written material and of formal TV shows, lectures, etc.

Each Arabic speaking country or region also has its own variety of colloquial spoken Arabic. These colloquial varieties of Arabic appear in written form in some poetry, cartoons and comics, plays and personal letters. There are also translations of the bible into most varieties of colloquial Arabic.

Arabic has also been written with the Hebrew, Syriac and Latin scripts.

Source:http://www.omniglot.com/writing/arabic.htm
In Aramaic, Islam was shlama and Muslim was Mushlam.

That is correct.

Just for interest, and for the benefit of linguistic enthusiasts here are some very good links about the 3 languages.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/old_hebrew.html

This next one is a great intro to Syriac Aramaic from which written Arabic developed.

http://learnassyrian.com/aramaic/


Here is an excellent interactive Aramaic Bible. I am putting this here for linguistic interest only and not for religious debate. Although it may have use for religious debate in a separate thread. It is still used by the Aramaic Christians and is probably the oldest Christian Bible still in use and has been used since the very early days of Christianity. What is interesting is in reading through you see the shift from Hebrew characters to Syriac characters. The various folders give an excellent view of the Aramaic Alphabet development.

The auto censor does not like the way the name of the url link is spelled and changes it to something that won't work. Here is the link, You will have to copy it and remove the * for it to work. http://www.peshi*tta.org/


with that all said, with just a little research it can be found that the word Muslim predates the written Qur'an. although the pronunciation has differed, the basic letters were and are used to write it in the three languages. It is an ancient word and was not new in the Qur'an
 
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with that all said, with just a little research it can be found that the word Muslim predates the written Qur'an. although the pronunciation has differed, the basic letters were and are used to write it in the three languages. It is an ancient word and was not new in the Qur'an
I'm not sure what are you suggesting. Are you saying the word muslim has existed prior to the Quran along with its islamic meaning (the one who submits to god)?
Luke 6:40 shows that something that sounds like muslim does not always denote a muslim (in today's sense).
 
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