Bringing Death and Destruction to Muslims

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Gator,

with all due respect. I have to disagree with you. You may have worked with very honest and hard working people. But there was plenty of evidence of election corruption, manipulation, fraud and many other things. Many ballots were being counted twice, many were voted for one candidate but being counted for the opposite or changed to the opposite, many were being thrown out and many other things went on. Ohio is a majority anti-bush party state, upto the elections majority were against him, now how did he end up winning in that state then? I like I said, plenty of evidence surfaced for what went on in those elections and it's not mere opinions of some guy ranting online as someone has suggested. Lastly, you would be very naive to believe that statement of yours "because everyone cares about this society", we all know that is not true regardless which society society you talk about.

If there would have been any evidence of fraud in Ohio, John Kerry would have blown a gasket and taken the case to the Supreme Court. There was no evidence of fraud in Ohio. Plus, Ohio is hardly an anti-Bush state.
 
Gator,

with all due respect. I have to disagree with you. You may have worked with very honest and hard working people. But there was plenty of evidence of election corruption, manipulation, fraud and many other things. Many ballots were being counted twice, many were voted for one candidate but being counted for the opposite or changed to the opposite, many were being thrown out and many other things went on. Ohio is a majority anti-bush party state, upto the elections majority were against him, now how did he end up winning in that state then? I like I said, plenty of evidence surfaced for what went on in those elections and it's not mere opinions of some guy ranting online as someone has suggested. Lastly, you would be very naive to believe that statement of yours "because everyone cares about this society", we all know that is not true regardless which society society you talk about.

you know, in my view the elections are fixed before they are even held. we are always given a choice between 2 finalists who are not terribly different from each other, who both take money from the same corporations and buy their way in for millions and millions of $. they do not represent me or anyone i have ever known - they represent and are beholden to the interests that buy them.
anybody half way decent doesn't get the bucks and doesn't get the media coverage.
 
you know, in my view the elections are fixed before they are even held. we are always given a choice between 2 finalists who are not terribly different from each other, who both take money from the same corporations and buy their way in for millions and millions of $. they do not represent me or anyone i have ever known - they represent and are beholden to the interests that buy them.
anybody half way decent doesn't get the bucks and doesn't get the media coverage.

yup.. it is always between kang and kodos

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peace
 
If there would have been any evidence of fraud in Ohio, John Kerry would have blown a gasket and taken the case to the Supreme Court. There was no evidence of fraud in Ohio. Plus, Ohio is hardly an anti-Bush state.

You're talking to an Ohioan buddy, i don't think you can see that clearly here from oklahoma....
you know, in my view the elections are fixed before they are even held. we are always given a choice between 2 finalists who are not terribly different from each other, who both take money from the same corporations and buy their way in for millions and millions of $. they do not represent me or anyone i have ever known - they represent and are beholden to the interests that buy them.
anybody half way decent doesn't get the bucks and doesn't get the media coverage.



I have to agree with you. There's never a true democracy in US anymore, the masses are given the impression that it's a democracy and what they say matters and they do have a say in things. US belongs to those who have money, whether it's lobbyists like the jews who can kill your political career if you don't kiss their behind or its the corps giving you millions $$ and incentives and gifts to promote their interests. Why do you think smoking is not banned like other drugs.
 
You're talking to an Ohioan buddy, i don't think you can see that clearly here from oklahoma....




I have to agree with you. There's never a true democracy in US anymore, the masses are given the impression that it's a democracy and what they say matters and they do have a say in things. US belongs to those who have money, whether it's lobbyists like the jews who can kill your political career if you don't kiss their behind or its the corps giving you millions $$ and incentives and gifts to promote their interests. Why do you think smoking is not banned like other drugs.

It doesn't matter if you're from Ohio...there was never evidence of political fraud in the presidential election. Bush was ahead of Kerry by a large margin, which wasn't even disputed by the Kerry campaign. Sometimes when things don't go your way, it isn't caused by a national conspiracy.
 
It doesn't matter if you're from Ohio...there was never evidence of political fraud in the presidential election. Bush was ahead of Kerry by a large margin, which wasn't even disputed by the Kerry campaign. Sometimes when things don't go your way, it isn't caused by a national conspiracy.

Perhaps the Freemasons did it? They are Republicans, aren't they...mostly?
 
That's why Muslims shouldn't vote for the kuffar. They do not have our interest in mind. In this case, there is no "lesser of two evils." The two evils may have different names and different faces, but they are evil just the same.

Not voting would be worse than actually voting.

Besides, what's the harm in voting for someone who has our best interests at hand?
 
Not voting would be worse than actually voting.

Besides, what's the harm in voting for someone who has our best interests at hand?

Voting for someone who has our best interest at hand? I haven't seen any such person as of yet. ISNA and other muslim organizations were ranting in every masjid for muslims to vote for bush, look how great that turned out.

Ron paul is the only one talking about the reality of the situation and how it is US's actions and past that has made a world dangerous place. That it is US who continues to have its military bases in Muslim world and continues to stir trouble. But him winning elections are next to nothing, not when the whole bunch are in the other bin.

It doesn't matter if you're from Ohio...there was never evidence of political fraud in the presidential election. Bush was ahead of Kerry by a large margin, which wasn't even disputed by the Kerry campaign. Sometimes when things don't go your way, it isn't caused by a national conspiracy.

I was referring to when he first came to power, during his first term elections with Al Gore i think.

And it doesn't matter what you think, there was and is evidence.
 
so snake,
You believe if Gore was in office we would still have invaded Iraq? Is that right?
thanks.
 
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I don't think U.S. under Gore would have invaded Iraq, his political thinking is opposite to that of Bush's Neoconservative & Evangelical one. He's done much to highlight the danger that is Climate Change. But no I don't think he'd of invaded Iraq.


To exercise your right to vote is very important. Much blood has been shed for this 'Human right'.


Whoever comes into the WhiteHouse will not bring Death or Destruction to Muslims, unless an external factor such as a '9/11' occurs. Even if Iran moves ever closer towards a nuke, there is no way that the already stretched U.S. Military could cope with a 3rd conflict against a country who's majority of citizens are behind their government's policies.

I'm fairly confident that Barrack/Hillary/John/Mit or whoever, won't bring Death and Destruction.
 
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I don't think U.S. under Gore would have invaded Iraq, his political thinking is opposite to that of Bush's Neoconservative & Evangelical one. He's done much to highlight the danger that is Climate Change. But no I don't think he'd of invaded Iraq.


To exercise your right to vote is very important. Much blood has been shed for this 'Human right'.


Whoever comes into the WhiteHouse will not bring Death or Destruction to Muslims, unless an external factor such as a '9/11' occurs. Even if Iran moves ever closer towards a nuke, there is no way that the already stretched U.S. Military could cope with a 3rd conflict against a country who's majority of citizens are behind their government's policies.

I'm fairly confident that Barrack/Hillary/John/Mit or whoever, won't bring Death and Destruction.

Minaz;

I think your analysis vis a vis Gore is too superficial.

Many people dont realize this but regime change in Iraq became a stated goal of United States foreign policy when Public Law 105-338 (the "Iraq Liberation Act") was signed into law by....wait for it...... President Bill Clinton. :D

The act directed that:

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

Almost sounds kinda Neocon, doesn't it? I have a vague recollection that Gore had some role in the Clinton administration. So, if Clinton had become room temperature for some reason, then Gore would have had a solemn obligation to pursue the goal as he would have sworn to uphold and enforce the laws of the nation. Perhaps Bush's fault is he took his job too seriously.

Certainly, Gore, as President would have faced unstoppable pressure to do something after 9-11.

Here is a hilarious bit of hypocrisy about Gore's concern for his "carbon footprint"...from the New York Times

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...y-headline-gores-electric-bills-spark-debate/


February 28, 2007, 9:08 am
An Inconveniently Easy Headline: Gore’s Electric Bills Spark Debate

By Tom Zeller Jr.

An obscure conservative group in Tennessee claims to be offering up the utility bills on Al Gore’s 10,000-square-foot Nashville mansion (wow!) as evidence that the former vice president doesn’t put his money where his mouth is on conservation.

Needless to say, the caterwaul on both sides of the fence is deafening — particularly in its overuse of cheeky variations on “An Inconvenient … Something.”

The group, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, issued its statement a day after the film “An Inconvenient Truth,” which tracked Mr. Gore’s campaign to educate the world about the ravages of global warming, won an Academy Award for best documentary feature. By its count, Mr. Gore’s mansion “consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year,” the statement said.

But here is where the story gets a little blurry.

The group cited some ****ing kilowatt-consumption figures — 221,000 for the Gores in 2006, compared with the American average of 10,656, for instance — which, it said, were obtained from the Nashville Electric Service. It put the Gores’ average monthly electric bill at $1,359. Of course, those figures immediately rocketed through cyberspace. From Britain’s Guardian newspaper this morning:

By yesterday the news of Mr. Gore’s energy bills was flying around the Internet at a rate which, were the web petrol-powered, would have led to instant sea level rises. Conservative and libertarian bloggers, from Instapundit to Hot Air and Red State, luxuriated over the details, while progressive and liberal blogs led by the Huffington Post tried to discredit the report by describing it as a typical smear campaign. It had been timed for the Oscars, the Post’s blogger said, by a group that had no official status and had connections with right-wing groups funded by ExxonMobil.

The Associated Press, however, apparently asked a spokeswoman from the Nashville utility company, Laurie Parker, if the policy group had actually obtained the information from them, and she said the utility never got a request from the policy center and that no information was ever turned over to them.

So the A.P. decided to review the utility records itself, and came up with slightly different kilowatt consumption numbers: 191,000 for the Gores in 2006 — compared to a typical Nashville home of 15,500 kilowatts.
 
Cog,
That law was for funding oppostion groups, not for use of US military intervention. Bringing that up to support any argument that any other president than Cheney/Bush would have invaded Iraq is incredibly weak, in my opinion.

Yes Gore would have had to do something...the right thing...invade Afghanistan, if he couldn't have gotten the Taliban to turn over osama. Using the appropriate amount of troops.

Thanks.
 
Cog,
That law was for funding oppostion groups, not for use of US military intervention. Bringing that up to support any argument that any other president than Cheney/Bush would have invaded Iraq is incredibly weak, in my opinion.

Yes Gore would have had to do something...the right thing...invade Afghanistan, if he couldn't have gotten the Taliban to turn over osama. Using the appropriate amount of troops.

Thanks.

The stated policy goal was: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."

I agree that it was not, of course, the intent of Congress that the law would be an authorization for war. Of course they meant it to apply to opposition groups. I am not arguing that, nor do I really suspect that Gore's hypothetical cabinet would have advocated war with Iraq. My point is that Bush was not the sole individual in the US Government to advocate the removal of Saddam. In fact, he was not even in government when the policy was adopted. Hussein himself would also be a wildcard. He might have pushed harder with Gore in office. Hard to know.

In any event, it is unequivocally true that Bush achieved the bolded portion of the policy :D
 

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