Death penalty????

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wilberhum said:
Not "lack of humanity". I in no way meant that. I meant and said knowledge about humanity. A lot of difference.

Witness are often wrong.
The technology is ran by humans and humans make mistakes.

In fact it may surprise you but some people lie.
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Oke, u seem to take extra precautions to evidences.. (thats why I stated that the murderer even agreed that he killed for sake of argument) To see if you then agreed that he should be killed.

Anyhow, to not spent to much time on this, if the evidence is not 100% then a death penalty should not be allowed! (even if it is 99.9%), and if four people swear by their right hand on the quran that hey have witnessed the murder then that is a GREAT thing (all muslims will agree with that, hardly any muslim would actuall swear with his right hand on the quran while he is uttering a lie)
 
if the evidence is not 100% then a death penalty should not be allowed!
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That's my point, the evidence is never 100%.
If it could be, I would totally be pro Death penalty.
But it ain't and I ain't.
 
wilberhum said:
That's my point, the evidence is never 100%.
If it could be, I would totally be pro Death penalty.
But it ain't and I ain't.
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Oke thank god we came to an agreement:), concerning the evidence leave that to the CSI! :)

peace
 
wilberhum said:
Da, If I thought there was a hell I would be happy to send them on there way.

Your just another case of minimum understanding.

You see everything as black or white and fail to see the 98 shades of gray.
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Not really dude ^^. The two categories I stated for those AGAINST the death penalty covers everything, including the 98 shades of gray :'). Since anyone who believes and understands the after life (with belief obviously being the first condition) will know that every matter will be corrected and put to justice by God. So, if we make the very serious mistake of killing an innocent, he will get his reward in the afterlife and the wrong will be righted.

3:161
وَمَا كَانَ لِنَبِيٍّ أَن يَغُلَّ وَمَن يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ثُمَّ تُوَفَّى كُلُّ نَفْسٍ مَّا كَسَبَتْ وَهُمْ لاَ يُظْلَمُونَ
It is not for any Prophet to take illegally a part of booty (Ghulul), and whosoever deceives his companions as regards the booty, he shall bring forth on the Day of Resurrection that which he took (illegally). Then every person shall be paid in full what he has earned, - and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.​

But you should know in the Islam no one is put through the death penalty if there is the SLIGHTEST doubt. Any country/place that decides to implement the death penality should do the same thing, and inshaAllah everything will be fine.
 
^Bah "in the Islam" there just looks silly, I meant in Islam of course :'). Can't edit :(

:salamext:,

truemuslim said:
^^^ yep thats true
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Alhamdulillah, we are all in agreement. :D

Wassalam.
 
^^^ LOOL...at least no one here is fighting nomore... congratulations hamada this thread stays open...for prolly a day or two...lol
 
Snakelegs posed an interesting question in this thread that I don't think anyone replied.

What should happen if DNA evidence or something equally scientific contradicted the testimonies of 4 male witnesses?
 
Hamada said:
Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.

Does this here not say enough??
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The state should me more careful in releasing prisoners.:)
 
Just to add to the discussion, a little fact that's been overlooked:

Rape is not about sex, it's about power and control. So it doesn't matter whether the person is being satisfied in marriage or not, a rapist will continue to rape to feel powerful. Rape is similar to pedophilia in that aspect, it being more about control than the actual action.
 
crayon said:
Just to add to the discussion, a little fact that's been overlooked:

Rape is not about sex, it's about power and control. So it doesn't matter whether the person is being satisfied in marriage or not, a rapist will continue to rape to feel powerful. Rape is similar to pedophilia in that aspect, it being more about control than the actual action.
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I guess that's true.
But does a person choose to be like that? Or is it a result of certain factors in their childhood, adolescence etc?
Should they control themselves and their urges? Of course they should, but can they? No. I believe most of them wouldn't even if they knew they could get killed for it.

Since everyone has ben making comparisons of humans and crops, I'm gonna make a different one:
When there's an epidemic, do we kill/burn the infected?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I guess that's true.
But does a person choose to be like that? Or is it a result of certain factors in their childhood, adolescence etc?

Should they control themselves and their urges? Of course they should, but can they? No. I believe most of them wouldn't even if they knew they could get killed for it.

Since everyone has ben making comparisons of humans and crops, I'm gonna make a different one:
When there's an epidemic, do we kill/burn the infected?
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With some people it could be a psychological disease, something they have no control over. Not with all, though. It could be a result of something that happened to them. Many children that were sexually abused grow up to molest other children themselves. Should they be excused, then, since it's not their fault, ultimately?

We try to help the infected, we try to cure them. But when they start affecting others, when they start harming them, then the more important priority is to stop them. By any means necessary. Would you rather lose someone who is negatively affecting others (even if they can't control themselves) (others such as rape and murder victims, their families, society as a whole), or would you rather have the innocent victims suffer?
 
Well what about when they get out? That's just giving them ANOTHER chance to commit the same crime as before. How is that protecting innocents?
 
Whatsthepoint said:
I guess I'm more pro-life-in-prison now, nothing more.
And perhaps it's time we thoroughly revised our system of rehabilitation/resocialisation of prisoners.
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For a few years I did some work here in Texas towards developing rehabilitation programs for sex-offenders. I will not say much about it, except the projects I was involved with did not work. As far as I know the recidivism rate still remains at 85% of those released will be rearrested for the same type crime and our conclusion is the other 15% just got better at avoiding arrest.
 

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