Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

[Woodrow]

Simple math problem

Threats cause Fear
Fear causes retaliation
Retaliation causes counter Retaliation
counter Retaliation causes Threats

Hypothesis: Threat+Fear+Retaliation +counter Retaliation=More innocents suffer

 

[guyabano]

Wilberhum, no matter how much you and others mock the man or Hizba'Allah facts are facts, the Israelis lost a war and now they made a very big mistake. Look up their news and you'll see what I mean.

Just to correct you:

Israel has next to US the strongest and hightec army in the world. You will not tell me that Israelis ever lost a war, specially not against bimbos than Hamas.

Peace

 

[Trumble]

al qaeda- fine, but the taliban terrorists? they are fighting for their land just like the palestinians are fighting for theirs.

Oh, rubbish. The Taliban are not fighting for 'their land'.. nobody is threatening their land, or would be if they actually had any for doing anything other than grow opium poppies (and that even generally belongs to other people who would rather both the Taliban and Afghan Government/Coalition troops would just leave them alone). They are fighting for their ideology, not their real-estate. That doesn't necessarily make them 'terrorists' either, of course. It is what that 'fighting' involves that determines that.

 

[ahsan28]

Though I am a Sunni, I will always support Hezbollah. God bless Nasrallah. I hate Taliban and Al-Qaeda and recognize them as terrorists group but certainly not Hezbollah. I love George Galloway and how he took on the Zionist Media during the Lebanon-Israel war.

George Galloway Savages SKY NEWS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

The significant difference however remains that Israel-Hezbollah war ended after 34 days with a peace treaty. A safe zone was created for Israel to protect Israelis from crude rockets. Nasrallah appeared on local TV and regretted the decision about going into war against zionists. On the contrary Talibans are fighting for the last six years, never regretted their decision to fight for freedom and have rejected any kind of peace deal until occupation forces leave Afghanistan

 

[The_Prince]

hezbollah did win the war. its amazing that the ppl who think that Israel won the war is simply based on the death toll and destruction!

folks you do know winning a war is not about many ppl you kill, or how many buildings you destroy, the ppl using this as an argument PROVE ISRAEL lost the war because only losers bring up death toll as a means of victory.

israel set out 2 objectives:

-destroy Hezbollah

-save their 2 kidnapped soldiers

did israel achieve any of these goals? NO, NO. hence they failed their mission objectives hence they fail the war. if you go into a war with objectives and you achieve none of it then this counts as a loss and disaster!

heck go look at the israeli report! the israeli report speaks for itself admiting they didnt win the war.

Hezbollah fired more rockets on the last day of the war than any other day in the war! and that my friends says it all.

 

[The_Prince]

lets look at an exmaple, up to 9500 israelis died in the 1973 war, and up to 8000-15000 syrian plus egyptions were killed.

does that mean Israel won the war because they may have killed more enemies?

at the end of the war egypt regained sinia, but no israel still won cause they killed more right?!

ppl who think war is based on who kills more and who destroys more seriously know nothing about war and need to stop watching rambo.

 

[guyabano]

Israel simply didn't eliminate Hezbollah because of the worldwide political impact. But military seen, Hezbollah is an easy target for Israel.
So stop talking, that Hezbollahl won any war against Israel. This makes it ridiculous

Peace

 

[Suomipoika]

lets look at an exmaple, up to 9500 israelis died in the 1973 war, and up to 8000-15000 syrian plus egyptions were killed.

does that mean Israel won the war because they may have killed more enemies?

at the end of the war egypt regained sinia, but no israel still won cause they killed more right?!

ppl who think war is based on who kills more and who destroys more seriously know nothing about war and need to stop watching rambo.

Israel won because they had trapped Eqyptian army, had stopped all the attacks against their territory, pushed back the Syrians, and were on their way to Cairo accross the Suez Canal.

That Israel was ready to give up Sinai doesnt mean they were defeated. They were smart and showed that Israelis are ready to make peace if you are reasonable. And look, as part of the peace treaty, Egypt is one of the few arab countries that recognice Israel. Israel didnt completely withdraw from Sinai until 1979-82.

 

[Cognescenti]

lets look at an exmaple, up to 9500 israelis died in the 1973 war, and up to 8000-15000 syrian plus egyptions were killed.

does that mean Israel won the war because they may have killed more enemies?

at the end of the war egypt regained sinia, but no israel still won cause they killed more right?!

ppl who think war is based on who kills more and who destroys more seriously know nothing about war and need to stop watching rambo.

Dood;

I agree with you that Israel did not "win" the fracas vs Hezbollah chiefly because they failed to stop all rocket attacks on Northern Israel, but if you think Hezbollah won you are seriously deluded.

What is different about this last episode was Israel didn't win decisively in 6-14 days as they are accustomed, nor did the Arab side lose embarrasingly.

Israel simply had unrealistic goals and seemed to have a start and stop approach.

Hezbollah completely underestimated the Israeli response, lost more fighters than the Israelis, got a fair amount of infrastructure in Southern Lebanon destroyed, killed half a dozen Israeli citizens by firing literally thousands of rockets and ultimately lost its fortress villages in Southern Lebanon. That was quite a vicotry wasn't it?

I can ceraintly see why Arabs see it as a victory given past experinece. It was a bit more competent than the usual affair.


As for the Yom Kippur War, if you think that was anything other than a decisive Israeli victory we are not speaking English. In the end, the Israeli Air Force had control, there was an entire Egyptian army surrounded on the East bank of the Suez and nothing to stop Sharon from driving to Cairo. The Syrians lost almost all their armor and lost back the Golan and Damascas was vulnerable. The only thing that stopped the humiliation was the Soviet Union mobilizing several airborne divisions and telling the US to make it stop, or else. The US made it stop.

 

[Trumble]

does that mean Israel won the war because they may have killed more enemies?

No, but I'm afraid the others are right. They in fact won the war because they succeeded in their primary objectives and the Arab side completely failed in theirs, in both Sinai and Golan. The return of the Sinai had nothing to do with that war... it was part of the Israeli/Egyptian peace deal agreed at Camp David five years later. The best the 1973 war did for the Arabs was restore some military pride following the 1967 debacle, the Israeli position in the Golan in particular was on a knife-edge at one point and Syrian victory a distinct possibility.

 

[The_Prince]

its so funny how you zionist supportters talk lots of garbage about israeli victory in 73.

the israelis did surround one section of the egyption army but the egyption general in charge of everything asked sadat to be allowed to send a force which could have fought the israelis off but sadat rejected

and most of israels gain such as surrounding the troops came AFTER the cease-fire! wow how special.

so you can spew the empty zionist garbage, but facts are facts and no they didnt win the war.

the fact some of you say the Arabs lost the war and all their objectives prove your very stupid and bias because one of the main objective was to bring sinia back and negotiate a treaty with Israel.

and last i checked, they did those 2.

israel lost, now get over it.

 

[The_Prince]

israel didnt win the lebanon war, nor against the 2 intifidas so i dont know which conflicts you zionist fans are watching.

 

[krypton6]

The IDF recently made a full detailed report where they admitted that "Israel" did in fact lose that particular war.

Israel is militarily speaking 99% supported by america, so when you say "Israel" you are in fact saying america. Yet Hezbollah and Nasrallah managed to fight and defeat the worlds second greatest military super power.

I saw a ridiculous comment with a cartoon showing Nasrallah hiding under a woman, but when did Nasrallah hide? Hezbollah are not hiding anywhere, they fight alone far away from civilians and they sleep at home wherever that may be, Israelis just happend to be cowards striking Hezbollah soldiers while they are asleep, not to mention that they are deliberately striking civilians most of the time. If a neighborhood is in Hezbollah's territory then it is according to IDF acceptable to carpet bomb the whole neighborhood, even though they very often do carpet bomb outside of Hezbollah neighborhoods.

Regarding the war..

Hezbollah's strenght was: 600-1,000 easily trained soldiers and 3,000-10,000 voluntears.
Israel's strenght was: 10,000-30,000 highly trained soldiers.

Hezbollah lost 250 men (some voluntears some soldiers).
Israel lost 121 men (soldiers).

850-1200 Lebanese killed (civilians), 4410 injured.
44 Israelis killed ("civilians"), 1500 injured.

Keep in mind that Hezbollah only had cheap rockets to launch, while "Israel" had everything they needed.

Did Hezbollah do a hell of a good job!? Hell yeah! :happy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Locations_bombed_Aug13_no_fact_box.jpg - Here you can see what areas they bombed, (the entire Lebanon is apparantly Hezbollah territory!)

Dont worry this one happend in "Israel". Sooo beautiful and it wasent even a large rocket.

 

[FatimaAsSideqah]

israel didnt win the lebanon war, nor against the 2 intifidas so i dont know which conflicts you zionist fans are watching.

Who did you refer to by that words "zionist fans"? Hopefully, not us Muslims.

Wa salaam

Sister Fatima

 

[Trumble]

so you can spew the empty zionist garbage, but facts are facts and no they didnt win the war.

Facts are indeed facts. Just a pity you are confusing them with your revisionist fantasies.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

al qaeda- fine, but the taliban terrorists? they are fighting for their land just like the palestinians are fighting for theirs. if thats terrorism then so is hizbullah

Well they didn't hand over the Al-Qaeda terrorists which were in their country and instead choose to go to war which was then responsible for so many deaths of Afghani people. They are also behind some Suicide bombings in Pakistan. They are also extremists. They don't allow education to women and it's also reported that they killed a few girls who choose to go to school. I am sorry sister. But, I don't see them as fighting for their land. They choose to protect OSAMA, that just says it all.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

israel didnt win the lebanon war, nor against the 2 intifidas so i dont know which conflicts you zionist fans are watching.

These filthy Zionists live in their own delusional world. Israel is a brutal, filthy and accursed nation "whose destiny is manifested in our blood and in our motto", Death to the brutal,filthy and accursed regime of Israel.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Facts are indeed facts. Just a pity you are confusing them with your revisionist fantasies.

WOW, a peace-loving Buddhist supports the Zionist regime? I am just baffled. Now maybe when the Chinese screw up the Dalai Lama, you would maybe start to understand a little of our sufferings.

 

[Trumble]

WOW, a peace-loving Buddhist supports the Zionist regime? I am just baffled.

You are probably baffled because you seem unable to distinguish between two totally different things.

Nowhere have I said, or indicated, that I support the "Zionist regime". I have, however, pointed out some facts regarding a historical event, the 1973 war. Those facts do not change depending on what anybody might happen to 'support' or otherwise 25 years later... no matter how much The_Prince might wish they would.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

You are probably baffled because you seem unable to distinguish between two totally different things.

Nowhere have I said, or indicated, that I support the "Zionist regime". I have, however, pointed out some facts regarding a historical event, the 1973 war. Those facts do not change depending on what anybody might happen to 'support' or otherwise 25 years later... no matter how much The_Prince might wish they would.

So what facts are exactly you are talking about. Can you list down them as to how you are saying something different than "the_prince". Something like:

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I'm really sorry for asking so much but I would really like to understand as to what is that you two are arguing about which I failed to grasp.