TORTUOUS SUICIDE: German Man Starved Himself to Death in Forest

[ABWAN]

Its sad to read such stories. This one is particularly saddening. Imagine how frustrated he would have been to have taken his life this way!

Its a loss of life and we should be saddened by it. A "lol", "hilarious" or "stupid" should rather be avoided. This man was unemployed...that doesnt make him stupid. I am sure he did it for a purpose (perhaps to convey something to someone) and whatever be it, its between Allah and him. Lets try not to be the judge here!

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

then i ask you if depression is a valid excuse for suicide?!

im sure you will find the answer to be "no".


wallahi if i found you correct i would have admitted it ages ago, but nothing can justify suicide... can it?!


Assalamu Alaikum

Obviously, this guy thought it was. Not everyone sees things the same way and depression (and other possible diseases) can cloud your judgement or even turn you into a completely different person. Not everyone has the same way of dealing with things. Most people don't starves themselves to death, most chose an instantaneous death - just the fact that he dragged it on for 24 days is a sign that something wasn't right.

Either way, God will deal with him when the time comes. Until then, I don't really think anyone can really say if his suicide was justified or not as we are not aware of exactly what he was going through nor his state of mind.

Truly a sad story.

 

[Fishman]

then i ask you if depression is a valid excuse for suicide?!

im sure you will find the answer to be "no".


wallahi if i found you correct i would have admitted it ages ago, but nothing can justify suicide... can it?!


Assalamu Alaikum

No, depression is not an excuse for suicide. Nobody in the right mind would think it is. But people who are having a big bout of depression are not in the right mind. Suiciders are not weak pathetic people who give up all the time, they have serious mental problems and certainly wouldn't have gone and killed themselves if they weren't depressed.

 

[true believer]

thats sad yet weak
he just took the easy way out and just avoided his problems, instead of facing them like a man. Allah knows why he did it. but still why do dat to u're self? the pain he must have gone through, slowly waiting to die. he must have felt really alone, and dats da way he died.

 

[Fishman]

thats sad yet weak
he just took the easy way out and just avoided his problems, instead of facing them like a man.

If you are depressed you can't solve your problems. It is not a choice to be depressed, it is an illness. Calling depressed people weak is completely wrong and is just as bad as calling somebody who is dying of cancer weak for not fighting the disease off.

 

[chacha_jalebi]

cough cough

now now kiddies, i know its half term but it dont mean you can use and abuse this site

no more off topic posting otherwise... :shade:

 

[true believer]

If you are depressed you can't solve your problems. It is not a choice to be depressed, it is an illness. Calling depressed people weak is completely wrong and is just as bad as calling somebody who is dying of cancer weak for not fighting the disease off.

salam
fair enough brother BUT he didnt have to kill himself
if someone is depressed, they should try to help themsleves and not just
give up and by the way, suicide is haram. even if he is a disbeliver, sucide is wrong and another example of having NO faith. no matter how depressed or how bad ur problems are, u should be strong and work through them instead of giving up and how can u compare that to having cancer?!
there is a diffrence between killing urself and dying of a disease. people cant help getting cancer, its fate and Allah's will. people who kill themselves are
fighting Allah's will. they didnt die naturally. they died when THEY chose to die and that is why it is wrong in islam. I am NOT calling depressed people weak, [maybe u missed da point] i am calling people who kill themselves weak.

 

[Fishman]

salam
fair enough brother BUT he didnt have to kill himself
if someone is depressed, they should try to help themsleves and not just
give up and by the way, suicide is haram. even if he is a disbeliver, sucide is wrong and another example of having NO faith. no matter how depressed or how bad ur problems are, u should be strong and work through them instead of giving up and how can u compare that to having cancer?!
there is a diffrence between killing urself and dying of a disease. people cant help getting cancer, its fate and Allah's will. people who kill themselves are
fighting Allah's will. they didnt die naturally. they died when THEY chose to die and that is why it is wrong in islam. I am NOT calling depressed people weak, [maybe u missed da point] i am calling people who kill themselves weak.

Yes, I agree that suicide is haram. But what I am saying is that people who have depression should not be treated as weak or pathetic, they need medical help.

Yes, I probably did miss your point.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Suiciders are not weak pathetic people who give up all the time, they have serious mental problems and certainly wouldn't have gone and killed themselves if they weren't depressed.

so your saying its not their fault that they commit suicide but the fault is with this mental problem known as depression?!

no offence little brother in islam but it sounds the same as saying, its not my fault that i stabbed that man, its the fault of the anger i felt due to past events which had built up.


just something to think about...

 

[crayon]

Understanding the reason for their actions is not the same as condoning. There's a difference between saying "they did it because of an illness" and "they did it because they're stupid/weak/etc.".

People who commit suicide are not in their right mind. It's not like we're saying "it's okay, they were sick, it's not their fault". It's just that a little understanding and compassion is needed in situations like these. :]

Salam.

 

[Mikayeel]

Oh my dear lord!

How awfull to die like this! That guy is mentally not stable, I cant even sleep with an empty stomach let alone die with one

 

[morate]

I am thinking maybe this guy went out alone into the forest to look for a sign. Maybe everyday he is laying there, half hoping someone will come along and find him- save him. And then he figures if no one comes it is meant to be. Surely, it is a long and slow way to go...with plenty of chances to "undo" it. A gunshot is so instantaneous. Maybe, somehow, he never got his sign- or he missed it. (clearly, he missed it.)

Most surely in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and day there are signs for men who understand.

 

[Fishman]

Understanding the reason for their actions is not the same as condoning. There's a difference between saying "they did it because of an illness" and "they did it because they're stupid/weak/etc.".

People who commit suicide are not in their right mind. It's not like we're saying "it's okay, they were sick, it's not their fault". It's just that a little understanding and compassion is needed in situations like these. :]

Salam.

Exactly my point.