Kosovars Want Muslim Recognition, Help

[AvarAllahNoor]

Well, I don't blame them. I just hope they're not a stuborn as the Palestinians.

Yup. Im not sure on this, it conflicts with what Sikhs want (Independence from India) yet, it's also taking somebody elses land, to accomodate more of the Albanians. (When they alread have Albania) I'm divided!!!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Practicing muslims, muslims who follow the Quran and the Sunnah, to an extent that they do not listen to music, do not drink drink etc.
I'd say the majority of the world's agnostics are agnostics as a person is not born an agnostic but becomes one, converts/reverts if you will.

Agnostics most probably raise their children as agnostics just as Muslims raise their kids as Muslims. All reverts/converts who did it sincerely are practicing Muslims I believe.

Next, I can't speak for the world but in my original birth place, Pakistan, Muslims are very devout. However, I would assume most people listen to music but as I said in one my earlier post not all scholars conclude that music to be haram/forbidden. As for alcohol, it's forbidden and therefore not even sold except to licensed dealers who can only sell to non-Muslims and can only be found in big cities. Gambling is also forbidden and no casinos can be found Mostly the societies are conservative. This would be also true for most of the Islamic Countries. I can't speak for the Muslims in non-Muslims countries.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Agnostics most probably raise their children as agnostics just as Muslims raise their kids as Muslims. All reverts/converts who did it sincerely are practicing Muslims I believe.

Next, I can't speak for the world but in my original birth place, Pakistan, Muslims are very devout. However, I would assume most people listen to music but as I said in one my earlier post not all scholars conclude that music to be haram/forbidden. As for alcohol, it's forbidden and therefore not even sold except to licensed dealers who can only sell to non-Muslims and can only be found in big cities. Gambling is also forbidden and no casinos can be found Mostly the societies are conservative. This would be also true for most of the Islamic Countries. I can't speak for the Muslims in non-Muslims countries.

Well, Kosovans listen all kinds of music (which the majority of scholars conclude is haraam), there are no laws banning alcohol or pork, very few women wear the hijab, the mosque attendance is low etc. Besides, the Kosovans are very nationalistic, which I gather is also haraam.

 

[islamirama]

I may have missed something. There seems to be no thank you to the United States for saving them from the Serbs.

Oh well.

yea, thank you US and UN and their allies. Thank you for standing by and watching serbian Christians commit genocide and mass rape of Albanians like they did of kosovo. It wasn't until Mujahideen went in to kick some serb butt that the UN/US and their cronies decided to intervene in the name of "helping" .

 

[The_Prince]

Well, Kosovans listen all kinds of music (which the majority of scholars conclude is haraam), there are no laws banning alcohol or pork, very few women wear the hijab, the mosque attendance is low etc. Besides, the Kosovans are very nationalistic, which I gather is also haraam.

just because ppl commit haram and sinful acts does not take them outside the fold of Islam....so i really dont see any points in this non stop garbage barrage of yours of how sinful these kosovans are, it doesnt make them non-Muslim but simply bad Muslim.

the prophet even said a Muslim who has true faith will go to heaven no matter what his sin is, and they asked EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL? he said yes, and they asked EVEN IF HE FORNICATES? he said yes.

so now whats your point? oh you have none!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

just because ppl commit haram and sinful acts does not take them outside the fold of Islam....so i really dont see any points in this non stop garbage barrage of yours of how sinful these kosovans are, it doesnt make them non-Muslim but simply bad Muslim.

the prophet even said a Muslim who has true faith will go to heaven no matter what his sin is, and they asked EVEN IF HE DRINKS ALCOHOL? he said yes, and they asked EVEN IF HE FORNICATES? he said yes.

so now whats your point? oh you have none!

On the Judgment Day, If a believer's(Muslims) sins are more than his/her deeds she/he will enter hell but not for eternity. He/she will serve for a time appointed and then will be entered in Heaven.

 

[abdil han]

Well, I don't blame them. I just hope they're not a stuborn as the Palestinians.

im not surprised,
nobody blamed them until they killed,massacred hundreds of thousands of muslims in 1990s in the middle of ''western-democratic-developed'' europe...

sorry but
u can not understand the muslims in this sight of mind...

 

[Whatsthepoint]

im not surprised,
nobody blamed them until they killed,massacred hundreds of thousands of muslims in 1990s in the middle of ''western-democratic-developed'' europe...

sorry but
u can not understand the muslims in this sight of mind...

They did not killed houndreds of thousands of muslims, and anyway, they did most of their killing in Bosnia, not in Kosovo.
That's right, I can't.

 

[Keltoi]

yea, thank you US and UN and their allies. Thank you for standing by and watching serbian Christians commit genocide and mass rape of Albanians like they did of kosovo. It wasn't until Mujahideen went in to kick some serb butt that the UN/US and their cronies decided to intervene in the name of "helping" .

Hmmm...must of have missed all those "mujahideen" kicking Serb butt. That must be like that big Hezbollah victory awhile back.

 

[Trumble]

yea, thank you US and UN and their allies. Thank you for standing by and watching serbian Christians commit genocide and mass rape of Albanians like they did of kosovo. It wasn't until Mujahideen went in to kick some serb butt that the UN/US and their cronies decided to intervene in the name of "helping" .

More fantasy history from the master....... :rollseyes You don't actually believe that rubbish do you?

 

[Cognescenti]

yea, thank you US and UN and their allies. Thank you for standing by and watching serbian Christians commit genocide and mass rape of Albanians like they did of kosovo. It wasn't until Mujahideen went in to kick some serb butt that the UN/US and their cronies decided to intervene in the name of "helping" .

The Albanians are one of the ethnic groups of Kosovo? What are you on about?

They actually outnumber the Serbs, but don't let the real world gt in the way.kay:

BTW..there is no such thing as "cronieism" between the US and the UN. Americans don't trust the UN any moe than you do.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Originally Posted by islamirama
yea, thank you US and UN and their allies. Thank you for standing by and watching serbian Christians commit genocide and mass rape of Albanians like they did of kosovo. It wasn't until Mujahideen went in to kick some serb butt that the UN/US and their cronies decided to intervene in the name of "helping" .

And what the Albanians did whilst NATO was there was genocide too! - Destroyed Churches, something Hitler wasn't able to do. Drove away Serbs, only about 150.000 remain in Kosovo. Bad as each other!

 

[north_malaysian]

MALAYSIA RECOGNISES KOSOVA

KENYATAAN AKHBAR​

PERISYTIHARAN KEMERDEKAAN KOSOVO​

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Malaysia mengalu-alukan kemerdekaan Kosovo yang telah diisytiharkan oleh Perdana Menteri Hashim Thaci pada 17 Februari 2008. Semenjak Julai 1999, Kosovo adalah di bawah pentadbiran pihak United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) berikutan Resolusi 1244 Pertubuhan Bangsa-bangsa Bersatu (PBB).

Malaysia berharap perisytiharan kemerdekaan ini memenuhi aspirasi rakyat Kosovo dalam menentukan masa depan Kosovo dan menjamin hak semua rakyat untuk hidup dalam keadaan aman, bebas dan stabil. Dalam usaha masyarakat antarabangsa mencari jalan penyelesaian kepada isu Kosovo, Malaysia menyeru supaya semua pihak terus bekerjasama untuk menjamin kedamaian dan kestabilan rantau Balkan.

Malaysia mempunyai sebuah Pejabat Perhubungan Malaysia di Pristina, Kosovo yang ditauliahkan kepada (UNMIK) semenjak tahun 2000. Peranan utama pejabat tersebut ialah menyalur dan mengawal selia bantuan daripada Malaysia kepada Kosovo dan perantara antara Kerajaan Malaysia dengan UNMIK. Pejabat Perhubungan Malaysia ini akan ditukar status apabila tiba masanya. Sementara itu, Wakil Malaysia di Kosovo akan terus menjalankan tugas sebagai Kuasausaha Sementara.


Kementerian Luar Negeri, Malaysia
20 Februari 2008

Source: http://www.kln.gov.my/?m_id=26&vid=607

 

[north_malaysian]

Muslim countries that recognise Kosova (Date of recognition):

1) Afghanistan (18.02.2008)
2) Albania (18.02.2008)
3) Turkey (18.02.2008)
4) Senegal (19.02.2008)
5) Malaysia (20.02.2008)

Muslim countries that would not recognise Kosova:

1) Azerbaijan
2) Kazakhstan
3) Kyrgyzstan
4) Tajikistan

Undecided Muslim nations:

1) Bangladesh
2) Bosnia-Herzegovina
3) Burkina Faso
4) Egypt
5) Indonesia
6) Iraq
7) Jordan
8) Kuwait
9) Libya
10) Uzbekistan

Muslim Organisations Supporting Kosova's Independence:

1) Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC)
2) Chechen Republic of Ichkeria
3) Mejlis of Crimean Tatar People

Muslim Organisation Against Kosova's Independence:

1) Islamic Community of Serbia

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...e#_note-Malaysian_Ministry_of_Foreign_Affairs

 

[Omar_Mukhtar]

The Western Media didn't report or condemn attacks against Serbs, in places they were driven out from. As for Kosovans being thankful, for sure they are thankful. This is the only Muslim state where Bush is welcomed like a king and the people wave their own flag as well as the American flag.


ps. there was no Mujahideen in Kosovo, but the secular K.L.A movement. The West intervened in Kosovo because they wanted extend the border of liberal Europe and diminish Russian-Serb influence. Also, Kosovo is heavily rich in resources, so you must understand the territorial squabble of that land! So you can think of this as the end product of Russia's decline as a an empire vis-a-vis Americans.....

There was Mujahideen in Bosnia, and the Mujahideen(outside volunteers) were probably one of the most decisive factors in coming to the aid of the Bosnians. The United Nations and others were sitting by whilst people were being massacred in their very own camps.