Hezbollah declares Open War on Israel

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Well from the looks of it, the amount of people who went to the funeral and the general atmosphere of the allies of Hizba’Allah they seem to be ready for such a war. You have to remember that “Israel” does something to the Lebanese everyday, about two weeks ago they killed two people near the border. It is an on going struggle and it is the nature of Israelis to make wars. We can’t back down and not defend ourselves, if we don’t nothing will be left.
I have no doubt that they are ready for combat, that is the foundation of their whole group. Would the Lebanese be attacked if someone wasnt launching rockets into Israeli territory?
And if I recall well, about a million Israelis lived in bunkers for 34 days and they suffered also.

What do you suggest the Lebanese should do?
now we are going in circles, I was merely stating that when an attack may be present or forthcoming, people dont wait in their homes and hope for the best.. My comment was merely a retort to your childish giggles towards the Israelis and being "freaked"... who isnt freaked, when a rocket could potentially blow up your house and kill you and your family?
I don’t agree on those numbers but it is a war of course people died. Each day people in Palestine die and I don’t see the world getting angry about that.
I dont get as much angry as I do sad, Israelis die as well, are their lives not worth as much? I am not saying that they are right in what they do, but the lose of any human life is just as saddening as another...
The grand prize is to get rid of that blood sucking entity killing our ummah. We die each day for nothing at least die for something, for future generations because mind you Israelis will never change.
I dont think Israel has the ability to kill the Ummah, the Ummah is dependent on those who represent it, do you think it is represented well today? Do you think that this is Allah's(swt) will? Do you think he wishes for you and others to carry this sort of hatred in your heart? Personally I dont, and I think that this hatred and all of this fighting and war is all someones plan, but not Allah's (swt)... You have your opinions and I have mine, but the fact is violence begets violence... This is the only tactic that has been practiced since the inception of Israel and it has only cost more lives and more land, I believe peace is the way forward, but my one belief alone is worth a grain of rice.
 
Would Israel be in the same state without past foreign aid? Probably not, but that doesn't equate to Israel failing as a state either. The U.S. was given large amounts of foreign aid after independence as well.

could the Palestinians even exist today without humanitarian and foreign aid?
 
could the Palestinians even exist today without humanitarian and foreign aid?

Along those same lines, any Palestinian state will have to depend on foreign aid to survive. The Palestinian authorities depend on foreign aid now to pay the civil service employees and so on and so forth.
 
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USA funds Isreal. Arms being the most common. - I was reading that a chap in Palestine says, if the issue of Isreal & Palestine isn't resolved soon, they should follow in the footsteps of Kosovo. and declare independence. Off topic sorry...
 
USA funds Isreal. Arms being the most common. - I was reading that a chap in Palestine says, if the issue of Isreal & Palestine isn't resolved soon, they should follow in the footsteps of Kosovo. and declare independence. Off topic sorry...

Actually, the Israelis can boast tanks and other forms of technology developed independently of American aid. In fact, it is the Americans looking to Israel to develop better forms of IED detection and bomb resistant armor for men and vehicles.
 
I was reading that a chap in Palestine says, if the issue of Isreal & Palestine isn't resolved soon, they should follow in the footsteps of Kosovo. and declare independence. Off topic sorry...

Possibly, but interesting still the same. It sounds pretty dumb, though.. 'independence' from whom, exactly? If they declared 'independence' for Gaza and the West Bank as a new state of Palestine tomorrow they would only be doing what everybody except Israeli right-wingers (for one reason) and Hamas (for the oppposite reason) wants to happen anyway. If they declared a Palestinian state including what is now Israel they would just look ridiculous. They can't "follow in the footsteps of Kosovo", it's a totally different scenario. If you think about it Kosovo is actually a much closer parallel to the establishment of the State of Israel!
 
MTAFFI said:
I have no doubt that they are ready for combat, that is the foundation of their whole group. Would the Lebanese be attacked if someone wasnt launching rockets into Israeli territory?

Yes, the 2006 war was planned before and wasn’t a reaction to taking the two soldiers.

Ehud Olmert's decision to go to war in Lebanon in response to abductions of soldiers was taken as early as March 2006, according to a leak of his evidence to the commission investigating the war.

The report means that the military strategy was decided more than three months before it was triggered by Hizbollah's abductions of two soldiers on Israel's northern border in July. Israeli officials said this was broadly in line with what the Prime Minister has already told the cabinet.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ebanon-war-before-soldiers-kidnap-439474.html

now we are going in circles, I was merely stating that when an attack may be present or forthcoming, people dont wait in their homes and hope for the best.. My comment was merely a retort to your childish giggles towards the Israelis and being "freaked"... who isnt freaked, when a rocket could potentially blow up your house and kill you and your family?

I still giggle about it :D heck the big bad monster the Arabs and Muslims have been afraid of for decades that can't be defeated is gone. I’m happy about it. I think I have a right. What’s up with the personal attacks? You have your opinion and I have mine.

I’m a realistic person, I’m telling you that it is part of war to have loss of human life. We can’t run away from that.

You didn’t answer me about what the Lebanese should do?

I have no hatred in my heart, I’m telling you we need to defend ourselves and what did I get answer from you? I giggle childishly.

Second, I don’t think Arab leaders represent me, resistance whether muslim or Arab that attacks occupiers and invaders only do.

Allah SWT told us to fight back if we are attacked, it has been 60 years and we have been attacked, and there comes people like Hamas and Hizba’Allah to fulfill that.

“Israel” will never stop fighting us ever, look what Egypt and Jordan got out of peace, nothing. They help them with the blockade on Gaza and may other things.
 
Possibly, but interesting still the same. It sounds pretty dumb, though.. 'independence' from whom, exactly? If they declared 'independence' for Gaza and the West Bank as a new state of Palestine tomorrow they would only be doing what everybody except Israeli right-wingers (for one reason) and Hamas (for the oppposite reason) wants to happen anyway. If they declared a Palestinian state including what is now Israel they would just look ridiculous. They can't "follow in the footsteps of Kosovo", it's a totally different scenario. If you think about it Kosovo is actually a much closer parallel to the establishment of the State of Israel!

It's all possible. If Isreal can make it's own borders by taking bits of other lands, then Palestinians CAN do the same.

His point was more to do with the backing of the USA in Kososovo. Will they back them, or will they go against Isreal, whom they serve.
 
Along those same lines, any Palestinian state will have to depend on foreign aid to survive. The Palestinian authorities depend on foreign aid now to pay the civil service employees and so on and so forth.

i think palestine will be dependent on foreign aid indefinitely. much of its agriculture and industry have been destroyed by the israelis.

Actually, the Israelis can boast tanks and other forms of technology developed independently of American aid. In fact, it is the Americans looking to Israel to develop better forms of IED detection and bomb resistant armor for men and vehicles.

true, but a portion of u.s. military aid to israel was (is?) allowed to be spent in israel - providing israel funding to develop its own weapons systems.
 
You have your opinion and I have mine.

I’m a realistic person,


oh well, you say it right, you have your opinion and other have theirs.

You are a realistic person (in YOUR eyes) and others are realistic too (in THEIR eyes)

so, everybody is realistic and none is realistic because everybody accuse the other not to be realistic !

So what is the final point ? Don't accuse others or get insulting if others have a different opinion than yours !

Peace
 
Those who favour declaration of war by Hezbollah, what kind of military achievements do they expect against Israel in existing scenerio, while taking into account the possibility of massive degradation of remaining parts of Lebanon by Israel?
 
The statement from Nasrallah after war against Israel:-


"You ask me, if I had known on July 11 … that the operation would lead to such a war, would I do it? I say no, absolutely not," Sheik Hassan Nasrallah said in an interview with Lebanon's New TV station broadcast Sunday.

"We did not think, even one per cent, that the capture would lead to a war at this time and of this magnitude," Nasrallah said.



http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/08/27/nasrallah-abduction.html
 
Israel faces 'certain death': Iran leader adviser

TEHRAN (AFP) — The assassination of a top commander of the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah has hastened the "certain death" of Israel, the top military adviser to Iran's supreme leader said on Thursday.

General Yahya Rahim Safavi, in the latest of a spate of anti-Israel verbal attacks by Iran, said the murder of Imad Mughnieh in a Damascus car bombing last week had enraged thousands of young members of Hezbollah.

"With this anger, the certain death of the Zionist regime had been brought forward," he said, according to the state-run IRNA news agency.
 
Hezbollah`s Genocidal Threat


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The leader of Hezbollah Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has now called for revenge against Israelis and Jews around the world, for the assassination of Imad Moughniyah, which he claims was done by Israel. It does not matter, of course, who actually pulled off the assassination. Israel and the Jews would be blamed by Hezbollah even if Syria had been responsible.

Blame Israel and the Jews for everything is what Hezbollah always does. In the past, Hezbollah has taken revenge against what it claimed to be Israeli actions by murdering Jewish schoolchildren in Argentina. Once again it is threatening to attack innocent Jews around the world.

Yet some in the media describe this as a cycle of violence, thus suggesting moral equivalence between the targeting of a terrorist combatant responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians, and the random murder of innocent men, women and children who had absolutely nothing to do with the targeted killing of Imad Moughniyah, but just happen to be Jewish.

Sheik Hassan Nasrallah's call for the killing of Jews around the world is nothing short of an incitement to genocide, or at least to mass murder. There is no moral equivalent between military action that targeted a terrorist combatant and the targeting of innocent civilians around the world, based on their religion.
 
Israel faces 'certain death': Iran leader adviser

TEHRAN (AFP) — The assassination of a top commander of the Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah has hastened the "certain death" of Israel, the top military adviser to Iran's supreme leader said on Thursday.

The question remains why didn't Iran and Syria intervene militarily at a time, when Israel was bringing massive destruction on Southern Lebanon?

What should we conclude then? A political statement coming from Iran, lacking matching application on ground or preparing for yet another proxy war :X
 
Yes, the 2006 war was planned before and wasn’t a reaction to taking the two soldiers.
So are you saying that they staged this or something, or that they were laying out a strategy for any such scenario that they would have to attack Hezbollah? Also keep in mind that the kidnapping of these two soldiers wasnt the only confrontation at that time Israel was having with them across the broder and inside their own. The fact that an assault was pre planned means nothing more than the Israelis were making their own preparations.

I still giggle about it :D heck the big bad monster the Arabs and Muslims have been afraid of for decades that can't be defeated is gone. I’m happy about it. I think I have a right. What’s up with the personal attacks? You have your opinion and I have mine.
Who has been defeated and is gone? Unless something happened last night when I was sleeping, the last thing I heard was Israel still existed and they still have their land and continue to expand everyday. What are you giggling about, the utter lack of progress made in the region? The senseless loss of life on both sides, or even just on one? The continued expansion of the zionist regime? The absolute overpowering of Israel against it foes? The lack of internation support for Hezbollah and Hamas because of their aggressive and fruitless attacks against their neighbors? The people who suffer because of their pride? What is there to giggle about?

I’m a realistic person, I’m telling you that it is part of war to have loss of human life. We can’t run away from that.
You dont have to be realistic to know war will always cost lives.

You didn’t answer me about what the Lebanese should do?
I figured you could pick up from my response what that I dont expect the Lebanese to do anything but what they did do... leave and come back when it is over. My response was, again, simply a response to your earlier childish giggling with regard to people leaving or hiding when there is a supposed upcoming attack.
I have no hatred in my heart, I’m telling you we need to defend ourselves and what did I get answer from you? I giggle childishly.
Your words on here would indicate otherwise..

Who are you defending yourself from? The same people who are defending themselves from you? Who is really defending? I guess it is really a matter of perception as it always has been in this case
Second, I don’t think Arab leaders represent me, resistance whether muslim or Arab that attacks occupiers and invaders only do.
Good for you
Allah SWT told us to fight back if we are attacked, it has been 60 years and we have been attacked, and there comes people like Hamas and Hizba’Allah to fulfill that.
The Ottomans did fight back, and they lost remember? THe land was lost, remember? This is 60 years later, the land is no longer Palestine, it was a British Mandate and then it was Israel, and until the next Joe Shmo comes along and conquers that land it will be Israel, Hamas and Hezbollah will never have the capacity to attack and reclaim that land, it is an unrealistic goal and only causes the deaths of more and more muslims, and costs more and more land, and advocates oppression.
“Israel” will never stop fighting us ever, look what Egypt and Jordan got out of peace, nothing. They help them with the blockade on Gaza and may other things.
Really? I dont see them fighting Egypt or Jordan today.. They actually live in peace with each other. Egypt and Jordan got plenty out of their deals as someone else mentioned above..

As I said violence begets violence, you are welcome to support who you wish, but the sort of thinking that you display only reflects why the situation is what it is today.
 
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Except, uh, peace.........and the sinai for Egypt and water + 300 square kilometers of land for Jordan.

Lol that belong to them man, come on.

guyabano said:
oh well, you say it right, you have your opinion and other have theirs.

You are a realistic person (in YOUR eyes) and others are realistic too (in THEIR eyes)

so, everybody is realistic and none is realistic because everybody accuse the other not to be realistic !

So what is the final point ? Don't accuse others or get insulting if others have a different opinion than yours !

You can’t remove a sentence out of its context and just comment on it. I said that about war and not in general.

ahsan28 I posted before the link were it shows “Israel” planned the war before hand. Also don’t take words out of context.

Iran and Syria help Hizba’Allah in different ways. Apparently the Hizb didn’t need them it won over “Israel” by itself :)

MTAFFI said:
So are you saying that they staged this or something, or that they were laying out a strategy for any such scenario that they would have to attack Hezbollah? Also keep in mind that the kidnapping of these two soldiers wasnt the only confrontation at that time Israel was having with them across the broder and inside their own. The fact that an assault was pre planned means nothing more than the Israelis were making their own preparations.

I’m not the one saying they are. What other confrontations? No, they were planning a full scale war before anything happened that they were going to do whether the soldiers where took or not. Also Bolton spoke out that the war was preplanned and they aimed to get rid of Hizba’Allah regardless of the soldiers.

Who has been defeated and is gone?

“Israel” said it failed and was defeated, remember. What was gone is the monster image. Progress? Man, US stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan, “Israel” out of Gaza, losing a war and unable to expand except in the Palestine area you don’t see they as progress?

Why are you so peeved by my giggling? Hmmm? I see my enemy lost. You have to be realistic to stop this useless argument about oh look at the death happening, well of course there is death. There has been death for 60 years now.

The Lebanese left? Who in the world do you think fought the Israelis? Their families left and the resistance stayed to fight back.

What hate, telling you I should not give in to my enemy? Isn’t that part of out religion or have you forgotten?

“Israel” was established on the land and houses of the Palestinians and many others. Yes we are the ones defending.

Well we will see now how long “Israel” will keep up, besides as you said the land was invaded before like for example the Crusaders and they did go no?

You mean the governments persecuting their people in Jordan and Egypt sure these governments live in peace *rolls eyes*
 
Well, it didn't prior to the peace treaty and then after peace treaty it did.

And since, as I've mentioned, they have had peace.
 

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