ABC: What Would You Do if You Witnessed Anti-Muslim Bias?

[*Hana*]

Ohhh, come on, people. It seems, noone like to understand.

Of course, a threat might come out of every pocket, even shotgun massacres in USA are frequent.
But, how many women in a Burka blow themselves up in Israel public shops, and how many did it as a business woman with a suit case? Now answer me frankly?
And finally, what is it what people see in TV? People in America see everyday in TV some fully veiled terrorits yelling 'Death to America'. So can you really blame them?

peace

The problem is that you are speaking totally one-sided. I, and the majority of Muslims, do not condone suicide bombings, but that doesn't change the fact that Muslims had been blown up regularly by American and British soldiers, Palestinians continue to be slaughtered, Ugandans butchered and tortured daily, etc. Where is this outrage? You don't hear of it. All you continue to hear is a bombing that took place 6.5 years ago EVERY DAY!! Sadly, 3300 or so people lost lives that day....where is the sadness for the 1 million Iraqis that have died since US imposed sanctions, the thousands Ugandans slaughtered, tortured and disfigured.

The media shows what it wants you to see because they know most will not take the time to see the other side or look towards other acts of terror committed by non Muslims. The terrorists in Uganda are Christians...yet no one invades that country to help those people. And, if a Christian from Uganda walked into your shop, you wouldn't think twice about serving him. No one would assume he is part if the Lord's Resistance Army, and would only be shocked to learn the truth after the fact.

This is the reality and it is only through making an honest effort to educate yourself that you'll see the complete truth. However, most will not do that and will only trust the media's presentation.

Hana

 

[crayon]

2. If some fanatics would threaten my country with some terroist attacks (which oneone will now deny here), of course I would become careful, at least for a while.

So I'm also assuming you wouldn't let anyone who looked like they belonged to a gang into your shop, either, right?

 

[crayon]

^ assalamu alaikum sis crayon

actually the hijaab is more like a state like ihraam.

its like when you cover yourself up and maintain ur hayaa' and try to conceal urself, your in hijaab.

so abaaya/headscarf/ face veil with the right attitude and manners could make up the hijaab.


if i said anything wrong please correct me


Assalamu Alaikum

No, that's right. But I mean in terms of dress, when someone wears "hijab", the minimum is to cover the hair and body except for the face and hands. So a person in hijab could be anything from jeans and a long sleeved shirt to a burka with a face covering.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

No, that's right. But I mean in terms of dress, when someone wears "hijab", the minimum is to cover the hair and body except for the face and hands. So a person in hijab could be anything from jeans and a long sleeved shirt to a burka with a face covering.

i see jazakAllaah khair


question: if you can see the shape of the lower legs whilst covered by jeans is the person still in hijaab?

sorry if its a silly question... but when you stated:

So a person in hijab could be anything from jeans and a long sleeved shirt

it made me wonder..


Assalamu Alaikum

 

[guyabano]

So I'm also assuming you wouldn't let anyone who looked like they belonged to a gang into your shop, either, right?

I'm afraid, I cannot answer you this question, as we have no 'gangs' here in my place. I live in a very peaceful place with practically no crime. Already a holdup on a gasoline station here is in the top headlines.
But of course, if some teenies have strange behavior in my shop, sort of nothing buying but faking, as if they have interest in buying a washing machine (what teenie would buy a washing Machine ?) I would become suspicious.

Peace

 

[YusufNoor]

I think, upon this stament, he was right:



If I'm the owner of a business, I can decide, who I like to serve, and who not. It's still a PRIVATE ground and it is MY shop.

But I'm not so sure upon this Law about 'Public Establishments' in USA, so I prefer to step back.



But despite this experminent, noone should be discriminated upon his race, religion or skincolor.
But I will admit, if I would live in USA and a woman in a burka would enter a public place, full of people, I would also feel uncomfortable. He was right with the words 'I don't know what's underneath your dress'.
The recent bombings are still in the memories of american citizens. These wounds must first heal.

IMHO, this experiment is a little bit permature.

But then again, I'm not in USA.

Peace

Peace be upon those who follow the guidance,

it says:

ABC's production crew outfitted a bustling roadside bakery north of Waco, Texas, with hidden cameras and two actors. One played a female customer wearing a traditional Muslim head scarf, or hijab. The other acted as a sales clerk who refused to serve her and spouted common anti-Muslim and anti-Arab slurs.

that IS NOT what's referred to as a hijab, NOR IS IT A BURQA! it is, and i quote: "a head scarf" JUST A HEAD SCARF! did your mom ever put on a kerchief? same thing!

Besides, did I say somewhere, I would not serve this person?
I just said, IF I would live in America ...
Now don't twist my comments, please. I really don't like these childish overreactions.

OK, so a young black man or 2 walk into your store, they have scarves on their heads, gold chains around their neck, tatts galore and pants around their knees, can i kick them out of the store because ive seen folks like that on the news who do foul things?

 

[Malaikah]

question: if you can see the shape of the lower legs whilst covered by jeans is the person still in hijaab?

In general usage the term hijab refers tot eh head cover... at least where i live it does.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

I'm afraid, I cannot answer you this question, as we have no 'gangs' here in my place. I live in a very peaceful place with practically no crime. Already a holdup on a gasoline station here is in the top headlines.

^ lol where abouts is that?!

sounds like a peaceful area

 

[*Hana*]

I sincerely don't believe Guyabano is racist at all. My problem was that he agreed with the statement the actor made in the short documentary. I also wanted to give him another view of what could also be seen as a threat with far more basis in fact and far more likely than a bomb under a burqua in America.

Bigotry, at any level, should not be tolerated, and that was my point.

Hana

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

In general usage the term hijab refers tot eh head cover... at least where i live it does.

yeah but we're not suppose to take the general term right?

we're suppose to understand it for its islamically correct term?


la adree, you've confused me now


Assalamu Alaikum

 

[*Hana*]

^ assalamu alaikum sis crayon

actually the hijaab is more like a state like ihraam.

its like when you cover yourself up and maintain ur hayaa' and try to conceal urself, your in hijaab.

so abaaya/headscarf/ face veil with the right attitude and manners could make up the hijaab.


if i said anything wrong please correct me


Assalamu Alaikum

Absolutely 100% correct, brother.

The word "hijab" has also become the word used for the headscarf, but the correct meaning is exactly as you explained.

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana

 

[guyabano]

The problem is that you are speaking totally one-sided. I, and the majority of Muslims, do not condone suicide bombings, but that doesn't change the fact that Muslims had been blown up regularly by American and British soldiers, Palestinians continue to be slaughtered, Ugandans butchered and tortured daily, etc. Where is this outrage? You don't hear of it. All you continue to hear is a bombing that took place 6.5 years ago EVERY DAY!! Sadly, 3300 or so people lost lives that day....where is the sadness for the 1 million Iraqis that have died since US imposed sanctions, the thousands Ugandans slaughtered, tortured and disfigured.

The media shows what it wants you to see because they know most will not take the time to see the other side or look towards other acts of terror committed by non Muslims. The terrorists in Uganda are Christians...yet no one invades that country to help those people. And, if a Christian from Uganda walked into your shop, you wouldn't think twice about serving him. No one would assume he is part if the Lord's Resistance Army, and would only be shocked to learn the truth after the fact.

This is the reality and it is only through making an honest effort to educate yourself that you'll see the complete truth. However, most will not do that and will only trust the media's presentation.

Hana

I fully agree with your words, but fact is also, the majority of people get brainwashed (I hate this words, but it fits here) by the media. And that counts for both sides, westerners as well as for muslims.
I know it's offtopic, but just yesterday, I watched on CNN, how a young iraqi boy had surgery in USA because he got his face totally defigured by a suicide bomber in Iraq. Now, CNN made out of this story a heart touching story to show the goodness of USA. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE. I said to my wife: 'Look, they show how they save one Iraqi Boy's life with CNN Charity founds, but what they won't show is, how many they killed already.

But then again, you also find this kind of biased news on Al Jazeera. Newsagencies live from this business thats why it will never stop.

Peace

 

[crayon]

In general usage the term hijab refers tot eh head cover... at least where i live it does.

Yeah, same here.
For the hijab to be islamically acceptable, though, it has to fulfill the following conditions:

" 1. The Hijab must cover her body completely from the top to the bottom, except what was mentioned above i.e. face and hands.
2. The Hijab itself must not be a Zeenah an adornment, otherwise, it would need another Hijab on top of it.
3. The Hijab must be opaque or non-transparent so that nothing shows through from underneath it.
4. The Hijab must be wide and big so that it does not outline the body of the woman and does not profile her body parts."

edit- and again, i'm talking about the dress only, it is much more than that though, a whole attitude.

 

[*Hana*]

I fully agree with your words, but fact is also, the majority of people get brainwashed (I hate this words, but it fits here) by the media. And that counts for both sides, westerners as well as for muslims.
I know it's offtopic, but just yesterday, I watched on CNN, how a young iraqi boy had surgery in USA because he got his face totally defigured by a suicide bomber in Iraq. Now, CNN made out of this story a heart touching story to show the goodness of USA. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE. I said to my wife: 'Look, they show how they save one Iraqi Boy's life with CNN Charity founds, but what they won't show is, how many they killed already.

But then again, you also find this kind of biased news on Al Jazeera. Newsagencies live from this business thats why it will never stop.

Peace

Yes, absolutely. We agree absolutely here, including the comment about Al Jazeera. I look at CNN and Al Jazeera, then go to the CBC or BBC, etc., and eventually, you can get the entire story.

And, yes, that's exactly why it will never stop.

Hana

 

[Malaikah]

I said to my wife: 'Look, they show how they save one Iraqi Boy's life with CNN Charity founds, but what they won't show is, how many they killed already.

Nice to know you aren't as bigoted as your first post suggested!:thumbs_up

Peace.

 

[*Hana*]

Yeah, same here.
For the hijab to be islamically acceptable, though, it has to fulfill the following conditions:

" 1. The Hijab must cover her body completely from the top to the bottom, except what was mentioned above i.e. face and hands.
2. The Hijab itself must not be a Zeenah an adornment, otherwise, it would need another Hijab on top of it.
3. The Hijab must be opaque or non-transparent so that nothing shows through from underneath it.
4. The Hijab must be wide and big so that it does not outline the body of the woman and does not profile her body parts."

edit- and again, i'm talking about the dress only, it is much more than that though, a whole attitude.

In the words of Dr. Zakir Naik:

Six criteria for Hijab.

According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijab:

i. Extent

The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the obligatory level of covering is to cover the whole body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijab’. All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

ii. Should not reveal figure.

The second criterion is that the clothes they wear should be loose and should not reveal the figure.

iii. Should not be transparent.

The third criterion is that the clothes they wear should not be transparent such that one can see through them.

iv. Not attract opposite sex.

The clothes they wear should be not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.

v. Should not resemble the clothes of the opposite sex.

The fifth criterion is that the clothes they wear should not resemble that of the opposite sex.

vi. Should not resemble the clothes of the unbelievers.

The clothes they wear should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.

IV. Hijab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijab’ of the eyes, ‘hijab’ of the heart, ‘hijab’ of thought and ‘hijab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves etc.

V. Hijab prevents molestation

The reason why Hijab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verse of Surah Al-Ahzab: “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[guyabano]

^ lol where abouts is that?!

sounds like a peaceful area

See here

or here

Peace

 

[aamirsaab]

Veering off-topic, so I though I'll put in my opinion.

What would I do if I witnessed anti-muslim bias? Well, that's quite a funny question you see. I've heard and read a butt-load of anti-muslim crap, I went to a secondary school that had a 45% population of chavs (aka pikeys, rednecks, etc) so I've heard just about every muslim related insult there is - it can and is distressing, but I've learnt that just shrugging it off helps. Though that's part and parcell of my ubringing (thanks mum and dad!). In some cases I have answered back (online mostly as people who do it in real life, in leicester [possibly the most multicultural and tolerant city in the world] are nothing more than crackpots, so giving them a rebutal or reply is pointless - their intention is to goad and taunt, not to learn - same could be said for certain folk on the internet, whom I try to stay away from --- but sometimes, they need a 5 milligram dosage of reality, which I'm more than happy to give!).

So if I were to witness it again in real life, I'd probably just shake it off - it'd pee me off initially, but the comment is not a bullet - it's not going to hospitalise me or put me in a comma. It is a taunt or goad to intentionally make me feel angry and bad. I'll still be alive after the comment and it is not any real threat to me - so I am able to show disregard to the comment (though it doesn't mean they aren't hurtfull).

In cases where it is to someone else, I will be and am disgusted - it's not nice hearing someone slander or backbite someone else (i.e make them feel bad, kick them down the ladder, push them off their pedestal so you look like you're better than them etc). Online I have defended people who get backbitten or slandered. In real life, I tend to stay quiet when others are backbiting (heck I tend to stay quiet in pretty much all situations!) as I don't think it is neccessary to contribute whilst others are backbiting - it's not worth the trouble, plus silence is the greatest sound. Maybe that's a cop-out, but its how I deal with it and it works well enough for me

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

If that ever happened to me, I would give that person a piece of mind. I'm straight up and real, so If you've got a problem with me, then I'd prefer that you step to me and say it to my face.

Things like this have happened to me before, well similar incidents. And it's funny, 'cause the most racist people that I come across usually have the thickest accents.

I did just that! After the 7/7 attacks I was walking down Broad St and this caucasian chap gave me a dirty look, I continued to walk past and looked back at him. He then stopped and began insulting me, various things were said he referred to me as a 'paki' I listened and then gave him a mouthful, about how his ignorance of other faiths had made him look like a total prat!

I also pointed out to him I wasn't a 'paki' and all brown or people who wear a turban are NOT 'pakis' He he said ''well you all look the same'' I continued to listen to his gibberish and he had finished I called him a welsh pratt. lol - He said he wasn't welsh, I said you look the same to me too. That shut him up.

 

[Keltoi]

The first problem is they did this experiment in Waco, Texas. I don't know how many of you have ever been to Waco, Texas, but it isn't exactly a bastion of diversity. The only interesting thing I ever saw in Waco was the presidential helicopter taking President Bush to his ranch in Crawford. It's a relatively small town, and I seriously doubt they even have a Muslim population. So I think the "experiment" was flawed to begin with. I would even venture that the news crew probably already knew of this particular bakery owner's feelings toward Muslims. Why do I say that? Because news crews come in and out of that area all the time to cover Bush at his ranch...I would almost bet $100 that they had stopped there before and heard this guy talk about issues before. Sounds like a set up to me.

That doesn't excuse the man's behavior at all, I just think this particular bakery is a poor example of Americans in general.