It is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors

[Roasted Cashew]

well thats wrong especially since they are close to you. you can say "hi" "bye" to them but we really shouldnt start getting close with them. you wont realise it when your getting influenced!

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

 

[muslimwarrior]

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I stopped my friend on a way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

just listen to what your creator (Allah) has told you and please stop making excuses. "what if" "but" etc

remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."

 

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:salamext:

Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:

“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I know about "influence" and peer pressure argument. But what if one is not influenced into doing haram stuff. I am confident of myself. It's pretty much the opposite with me. Just another day, I asked my friend to stop his car on the way to Jogging Park because I saw a small mosque and needed to pray. I asked them to wait outside while I finished praying. They know and understand that I have to pray and respect my believes.

They know I don't drink and eat pork. When I am around, we always go to Halal restaurants. Actually being the only Muslim in the group, I influence the major decisions. LOL.

Dude those that are influenced by thier mates into doing the wrong things shows how weak the Imaan is in the first place! - If you're Atal (strict) in your religion, nothing can take you off the path. :statisfie

 

['Abd-al Latif]

NOP, I am not convinced at all. One word does mean a lot but we need to figure out which one was meant by Allah. What was the context of this verse anyway? I have never encountered a single Arabic word in the Qur'an where all it's meaning are applied. Why here???

My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).

 

[Roasted Cashew]

:salamext:

Do you know what? Think about it. If we (Muslims) have non-Muslim friends, then their ideas and religious beliefs will affect you. Because a person normally becomes so close to a friend, they talk about literally everything. Anyway there is a hadith if the Prophet Muhammad Sallallaahu Alayhi Wa Sallam:

I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??

 

[Roasted Cashew]

remember also the famous hadith of the prophet SAW where he tells us about the importance of having good friendship. here read this bro;

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The example of a good companion and a bad companion is like that of the seller of musk, and the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows (respectively). So as for the seller of musk then either he will grant you some, or you buy some from him, or at least you enjoy a pleasant smell from him. As for the one who blows the blacksmith's bellows then either he will burn your clothes or you will get an offensive smell from him." [Bukhari & Muslim]

In his commentary of this Hadith, Imam an-Nawawi said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) compared a good companion to a seller of musk and spoke of the virtue of having companions who are good, who have noble manners, piety, knowledge and good culture. Such are those who grant us from their virtue. And he (peace be upon him) forbade us to sit with those who do evil, commit a lot of sins and other bad deeds, as well as with innovators, backbiters, and so forth. Another scholar said: "Keeping good company with the pious results in attainment of beneficial knowledge, noble manners and righteous actions, whereas keeping company with the wicked prevents all of that."

This is irrelevant to my argument. This talks about friendship in general and doesn't talk about non-Muslim friendship specifically. How about you watch this:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

 

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I never talk about religion. And if I do, am I not conveying the message of the Qur'an to them as in dawah??

:salamext:

Just read the hadith I provided.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

My job is not to convince you, whether you accept or reject is your choice. La ikraaha fideen (there is no compulsion in religion).

But on the day of judgement you will be amongst those who you love the most. So if you chose to spend time with those who remember/worship/please other then Allah then your fate is with them.

I'm not going to discuss this any further because of the hadith of the messenger of Allah related in bukhaari and muslim

"Read the Qur'an [together] so long as your hearts are united, but when you differ, stand up from it [and conclude your study sessions together]"

(Related by Bukhari (5069), Muslim (2667), Ahmed (18337), and Ad-Daarimee (3359)).

Take heed to this hadeeth and the ayaah in qur'an; sami'na wa ato'naa (we hear and we obey).

I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

:salamext:

“A person is likely to follow the faith of his friend, so look whom you befriend”
(Reported by Abu Dawood and Tirmidhi).

Sa7, ukhtee. I was thinking of the same hadeeth. Al-Mar'u 'ala deeni khaleelihi.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I love God the most, then Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)and lastly my family. I don't really "love" any of my friends. Anyway brother, what do you think of this. You didn't reply to this video below:

Can Muslims Take Jews and Christians as Friends?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpsQaY5oH2c

I haven't watched it because I have had other things to do but either way I can't see myself benefiting much from it, why not? Because I'm not looking for grey areas in religion and neither should you. There are many ahadeeth about this subject; one of them for example the prophet (saw) said "whoever immitates a people is one of them" or "a man is upon the religion of his companions so let him choose his companions wisely".

Forbidding the evil and enjoining the good, striving for al-jannah and prepairing for what will happen in your grave should be enough for you to acompany the best of people to prepair for what lies ahead of you.

EDIT: I've seen the video, but disagree. Refer to Tafsir Ibn Khatir, as before I refuse to take any further part in this issue.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Selam aleykum we rahmetallahu,

Maybe this can clarify it a bit more, it is quoted from the site I have linked to in my post:

In the verse you quoted, the word "Awliya" is used. It is a plural and its singular is "wali". The correct translation of the word ""wali"" is not "friend" but it is someone who is very close and intimate. It is also used to mean "guardian, protector, patron, lord and master".

In the Qur'an this word is used for God, such as [Allah is the Protector (or Lord and Master) of those who believe. He takes them out from the depths of darkness to light…] (Al- Baqarah 2: 257)

There are many other references in the Qur'an that give this meaning. The same word is also sometimes used in the Qur'an for human beings, such as [And whosoever is killed unjustly, We have granted his next kin "wali" the authority (to seek judgement or punishment in this case)…] (Al-‘Isra' 17 :33)

The correct translation of the verse in Surat Al-Ma’idah is: [O you who believe! Do not take Jews and Christians as your patrons. They are patrons of their own people. He among you who will turn to them for patronage is one of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust.] (Al-Ma'dah 5: 51)

It is obvious that Jews patronize the Jews and Christians patronize the Christians, so why not Muslims patronize Muslims and support their own people. This verse is not telling us to be against Jews or Christians, but it is telling us that we should take care of our own people and we must support each other.

In his Tafsir, (Qur’an exegesis) Imam Ibn Kathir has mentioned that some scholars say that this verse (i.e. the one you referred to) was revealed after the Battle of Uhud when Muslims had a set back. At that time, a Muslim from Madinah said, "I am going to live with Jews so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." And another person said, "I am going to live with Christians so I shall be safe in case another attack comes on Madinah." So Allah revealed this verse reminding the believers that they should not seek the protection from others, but should protect each other. (See Ibn Kathir, Al-Tafsir, vol. 2, p. 68)

Source: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503543362&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

EDIT: Other links: http://www.dawanet.com/concepts/nonmuslimfriend.asp

http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/charac/q_rel_nonmuslims.htm

http://alghazzali.org/resources/articles/friendship.pdf



... Allah knows best.

 

[snakelegs]

this is what i thought auliya meant!
anyway, continuation of the article paragraph from same link:

Muslims are allowed to have non-Muslims as friends as long as they keep their own faith and commitment to Islam pure and strong. You are correct in pointing out that a Muslim man is also allowed to marry a Jewish or Christian woman. It is obvious that one marries someone for love and friendship. If friendship between Muslims and Jews or Christians was forbidden, then why would Islam allow a Muslim man to marry a Jew or Christian woman? It is the duty of Muslims to patronize Muslims. They should not patronize any one who is against their faith or who fights their faith, even if they were their fathers and brothers. Allah says: [O you who believe! Take not for protectors (awliya') your fathers and your brothers if they love unbelief above faith. If any of you do so, they are indeed wrong-doers.] (Al-Tawbah 9: 23)

In a similar way, the Qur'an also tells Muslims that they should never patronize the non-Muslims against other Muslims. However, if some Muslims do wrong to some non-Muslims, it is Muslims' duty to help the non-Muslims and save them from oppression. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said that he himself will defend a Dhimmi living among Muslims to whom injustice is done by Muslims. But Islam also teaches that Muslims should not seek the patronage of non-Muslims against other Muslims. They should try to solve their problems among themselves. Allah Almighty says, [Let not the Believers take the unbelievers as their patrons over against the Believers…] (Aal-'Imran 3: 28)

He Almighty also says: [O you who believe! Take not for patrons unbelievers rather than Believers. Do you wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?] (An-Nisaa’ 4:144)

so the way i see it - if your imaan is strong, you should be quite capable of having non-muslims as friends.

 

[Muezzin]

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