But how can there be free will and at the same time no sin? Isn't sin a result of us abusing our free will? I always thought that was the Islamic answer to the 'problem of evil', i.e. why there is evil in a galaxy created by a just God?
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But how can there be free will and at the same time no sin? Isn't sin a result of us abusing our free will? I always thought that was the Islamic answer to the 'problem of evil', i.e. why there is evil in a galaxy created by a just God?
So God will change your character before you go to heaven? Since I assume you agree that in our current state on this planet nobody is 'pure'? We all sin occasionally, no?
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honestly are you guys looking for an answer or not?
i already explained the process before going to heaven.
no free-will is taken away.
you will only be pure! its only the impurities within which make you wish to do harmful acctivities!`
i already explained the process before going to heaven.
no free-will is taken away.
you will only be pure! its only the impurities within which make you wish to do harmful acctivities!`
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Unless you're in there eternally, the purpose of the hellfire is not only to punish you for your sins, but to take away all your impurities. Therefore, when you go to paradise all your impurities will have been taken away in the hellfire.
Like the brother said, once you are pure, then you will not want to do anything bad, because it is the impurities within you that make you want to do bad.
But that doesn't mean that you don't have free will. Do you see the difference?
Like the brother said, once you are pure, then you will not want to do anything bad, because it is the impurities within you that make you want to do bad.
But that doesn't mean that you don't have free will. Do you see the difference?
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Impurities cause the desire to do bad things.
Impurities will be cleaned away.
Therefore, the desire to do bad things and feel bad things will have been removed.
You are still free to do whatever you want.
But you will be pure, and you will be glad that you are pure!
Impurities will be cleaned away.
Therefore, the desire to do bad things and feel bad things will have been removed.
You are still free to do whatever you want.
But you will be pure, and you will be glad that you are pure!
Thanks for the reply 
. So free will is not as such a cause of sins, it's just that impurities manifests themselves through free will. So any impurities we have (some have more than others I assume) would be removed when we go to heaven.
Still a bit confused about some things though.
1. Are we all born pure?
2. How do we become impure?
The reason I ask is because you'd think you would become 'impure' due to your own actions, i.e. the choices you made in life. But that can't be true than can it? I mean, since free will as such is apparently not the cause for impurity and sinning. But surely we are all born with equal 'purity'? Since otherwise it would not be a level playing field for the 'test of life'?
Sorry for being a bit of a pain, but I'm genuinely confused!
. So free will is not as such a cause of sins, it's just that impurities manifests themselves through free will. So any impurities we have (some have more than others I assume) would be removed when we go to heaven.Still a bit confused about some things though.
1. Are we all born pure?
2. How do we become impure?
The reason I ask is because you'd think you would become 'impure' due to your own actions, i.e. the choices you made in life. But that can't be true than can it? I mean, since free will as such is apparently not the cause for impurity and sinning. But surely we are all born with equal 'purity'? Since otherwise it would not be a level playing field for the 'test of life'?
Sorry for being a bit of a pain, but I'm genuinely confused!
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For this, you should research the Islamic concept of Fitrah.
I'll see if I can find anything.
I think alot of people misinterprete what is ment by what is written.The last days are here but are not over yet.Heaven is a condition just as hell is a condition that we put ourselves in.what we are going thru and what have been going thru is hell.
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That would certainly get rid of any PHYSICAL impurities. It'd probably kill you too, which'd count as suicide....which is a sin and also a ticket to hell....:X
What was meant by impurity is more of spritual and mental impurity e.g. dirty thoughts, dirty mindset etc.
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From a Christian perspective, Heaven isn't really viewed as a physical paradise with trees, gardens, drink, etc, etc. Now we don't know exactly what form our existence will take in the afterlife, but I don't understand my Earthly or bodily desires to have much point at all in a spiritual afterlife. Perhaps this is another example of where Islam and Christianity differ.
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Let me get this straight.
We are all born in a state of submission to Allah, and have "Original Goodness". Environmental influences, such as having Inuit or Hottentot parents will err us away from this state. In order to re-attain it, we have to re-submit to Allah by reverting to Islam,(even if we have never been one or heard of it.
Once we have reverted, we use out free will to make choices.
God will judge us on those choices at the day of reckoning. Based on what he wills we will either enter Jannah or head into the burning pit to be cleansed of our sin for varying amounts of time untill the pain has purged us of that sin. Thenceforth, at his will we will enter paradise or if we have rejected him, we will remain in the fire for all eternity everlasting.
Is that correct?
We are all born in a state of submission to Allah, and have "Original Goodness". Environmental influences, such as having Inuit or Hottentot parents will err us away from this state. In order to re-attain it, we have to re-submit to Allah by reverting to Islam,(even if we have never been one or heard of it.
Once we have reverted, we use out free will to make choices.
God will judge us on those choices at the day of reckoning. Based on what he wills we will either enter Jannah or head into the burning pit to be cleansed of our sin for varying amounts of time untill the pain has purged us of that sin. Thenceforth, at his will we will enter paradise or if we have rejected him, we will remain in the fire for all eternity everlasting.
Is that correct?
What I can gather from that site is that we are all born with purity and the knowledge of the oneness of god and a desire to submit to him. Essentially everyone is a muslim from conception and they are swayed from the true path later on.
Not so much impurities within you, but ignoring the purity you were born with by choice.
"Although all children are born in a state of fitrah, the influence of the environment is decisive; parents may influence the religion of the child by making him a Christian, Jew or Magian. If there are no adverse influences, then the child will continuously manifest his fitrah as his true nature."
From this it seems that your ability to choose what you do or what you accept to believe determines whether you become a muslim or not and consequently your admittance to paradise.
Therefore in order to restrict a persons desire to do bad in paradise you would have to restrict their will, as their innate desire (fitrah) is to do good (in an islamic sense).
"The central hadith makes plain that it is the social circumstances after the birth of the child that causes the individual to diverge from fitrah. Hence if someone follows an aberrant path it is not because of any innate wrong within his nature, but because of the emergence of the lower self or nafs after birth, and negative effects in the social circumstances."Osman said:
Not so much impurities within you, but ignoring the purity you were born with by choice.
"Although all children are born in a state of fitrah, the influence of the environment is decisive; parents may influence the religion of the child by making him a Christian, Jew or Magian. If there are no adverse influences, then the child will continuously manifest his fitrah as his true nature."
From this it seems that your ability to choose what you do or what you accept to believe determines whether you become a muslim or not and consequently your admittance to paradise.
Therefore in order to restrict a persons desire to do bad in paradise you would have to restrict their will, as their innate desire (fitrah) is to do good (in an islamic sense).
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