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Automakers step up in China as West wobbles
By Fang Yan and Chang-Ran Kim

Automobile industry executives at Beijing's bi-annual auto show forecast another boom year in China in 2008, with sales in the world's No. 2 car market rising and production ramping up to take advantage of lower costs.

Global automakers such as Volkswagen AG (VOWG.DE), General Motors Corp (GM.N) and Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) are increasingly relying on emerging markets such as China to take up the slack as U.S. and European consumers feel the pinch from slowing economies and rising prices.

"I say this internally all the time, but the company that gets China right is going to be the dominant player for the next 25 years," GM Chief Executive Rick Wagoner said at the Beijing Auto Show.

GM's China sales lagged in the first quarter due to winter storms that disrupted shipments, but the company ranked No. 2 by production in China last year is forecasting a recovery.

"We still expect a very good year and to grow in line with the market," GM's president and managing director Kevin Wale said.

GM expects total China car sales to rise about 16 percent in 2008, after climbing to 6.3 million in 2007. Most executives predicated the whole auto market, including trucks and buses, to reach 10 million units this year.

As big as the Chinese car market has become, just 44 out of every 1,000 people owns a vehicle, compared with an average 600 for the developed world and some 800 for the United States.

The number of vehicles on Chinese roads last year reached 47 million, parts maker Magna International said, a level equivalent to where the United States was in 1947.

"All the fundamentals are really, really good (for China to keep growing)," said Magna International Asia Pacific Executive Vice President Frank O'Brien.

Carlos Ghosn, chief executive officer of Nissan Motor Co (7201.T) and Renault SA (RENA.PA), agreed.

"If China is going to become the world's second-biggest economy -- if not the biggest -- you can expect the (per capita sales) number to reach at least 600," he told reporters at the auto show.

"You can imagine the growth prospects."

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Banking on those prospects, Ford Motor Co (F.N) is considering building a third assembly plant in China to meet fast-growing demand just five years after entering the market, while Volkswagen's chief executive said he expects the German company to sell at least 1 million vehicles in China this year.

Luxury brands such as Germany's BMW (BMWG.DE) and Daimler's (DAIGn.DE) Mercedes division are also eyeing China's growing elite to boost global demand for top-end vehicles.

BMW's China venture, Brilliance Auto, plans to nearly triple capacity in the next four years, aiming to produce about 100,000 vehicles a year by 2012.

Qi Yumin, chairman of Brilliance Auto, the state parent of the Hong Kong-listed unit, Brilliance China Automotive Ltd (1114.HK)(600609.SS), said the company was still in talks with BMW to build a second plant in China, but gave no further details.

Despite BMW's aggressive growth plan, the chief executive of Daimler, Dieter Zetsche, said he was convinced his Mercedes Benz unit, which launched its GLK small SUV in China at the show, would overtake BMW in the market.

But with soaring oil costs a major challenge facing the auto industry, many carmakers are shifting their focus to smaller, cheaper, more fuel-efficient models -- despite the threat to margins.

Honda Motor Co (7267.T) unveiled on Sunday the new Fit subcompact for China, while Toyota did the same with its rival car Yaris.

Japan's Mitsubishi Motors (7211.T), meanwhile, said it is developing a low-cost car that it aims to start selling in China and elsewhere from around 2010. The car, expected to be priced under $10,000, would be based on a 660cc mini-vehicle platform currently only used in Japan, President Osamu Masuko said.

Mitsubishi Motors also announced plans to nearly double capacity at two Chinese engine plants in which it has minority stakes. The plant sells to 20-some local carmakers, but Masuko said China could eventually become an export base for Mitsubishi engines to supply other countries, thanks to its lower cost base.

Reducing production costs is taking on greater urgency as major developed markets stumble.

Mitsubishi said its 2008 U.S. sales target would be tough to achieve, given industry-wide forecasts for sales to fall as low as 14.5 million vehicles. For the first three months of 2008, the U.S. market shrank 6.2 percent from the year earlier.

But Nissan's Ghosn sounded a brighter note, saying he was not revising down his forecast for 2008 U.S. industry sales of 15.5 million units.

"I don't believe it will be below this," he said, though adding the risk was on the downside.

"The economy in the United States is adjusting very quickly."

($1=103.65 Yen)

(Additional reporting by Jong-woo Cheon, Marcel Michelson, Kevin Krolicki; Writing by Lincoln Feast; Editing by Ken Wills)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080420/bs_nm/autoshow_dc_2
 
Does the rise of China ever worry Muslims? I mean, this country is on the one hand fiercely atheist and traditionally Chinese religion is polytheistic.

Will China be a friend of the Muslim World?
 
Does the rise of China ever worry Muslims? I mean, this country is on the one hand fiercely atheist and traditionally Chinese religion is polytheistic.

Will China be a friend of the Muslim World?

China will need to be a friend with anyone who has access to oil, even more so in the next twenty years.

Unless they decide to take it of course.
 
China will need to be a friend with anyone who has access to oil, even more so in the next twenty years.

Unless they decide to take it of course.
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Are you suggesting China would try to conquer the middle east? It sounds more like a video game than reality...
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Does the rise of China ever worry Muslims? I mean, this country is on the one hand fiercely atheist and traditionally Chinese religion is polytheistic.

Will China be a friend of the Muslim World?

Muslims aren't worried about China. It's not a capitalist parasite that engages in regime changes, ruler's assassinations, and false flag operations among other things for "national interest".
 
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Are you suggesting China would try to conquer the middle east? It sounds more like a video game than reality...
:w:

When oil starts to become more and more expensive and harder to obtain you will be surpised what many countries are willing to do. The Japanese attacked the U.S. at Pearl Harbor to protect their interest in resources. It isn't a "video game" at all.
 
Muslims aren't worried about China. It's not a capitalist parasite that engages in regime changes, ruler's assassinations, and false flag operations among other things for "national interest".

Why don't you find out what China does to its Muslim minority? Then come back and explain why Muslims aren't worried about China.
 
Muslims aren't worried about China. It's not a capitalist parasite that engages in regime changes, ruler's assassinations, and false flag operations among other things for "national interest".

And you don't think it will start doing those things once it becomes a 'Great Power'? Why not? What makes you think it will behave differently from the US, UK or the USSR in the Muslim world? Because it is a Capitalist/Communist hybrid regime?
 
Why don't you find out what China does to its Muslim minority? Then come back and explain why Muslims aren't worried about China.

Exactly! Don't forget the Uyghurs. The Muslims in China most certainly don't have it easy, subhanAllah.
 
Muslims aren't worried about China. It's not a capitalist parasite that engages in regime changes, ruler's assassinations, and false flag operations among other things for "national interest".

i think you may want to try a little research on China... assasinations are almost as common as executing leaders in public for "national interest"... Also perhaps you didnt get the news today, and hopefully this will finally and forever debunk your theory that the WTC was a government plot..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_al_zawahri

also take note that capitalism is not at all a bad thing, in fact free market seems to be the way to go as far as I am concerned... Of course you could go visit any number of the 1000's of sweat shops and villages in China that get paid a penny a day for 8 hours of work while their government soaks up all of the trade money and takes the people land from them as the feel necessary according to "national interests"

Believe me, China is very much a threat to the entire world, US and Muslims alike, should they decide to be..
 
i wonder why the chinese don't make their own cars? they seem quite capable of turning out good quality products.
 
:giggling: er.... um, yeah.
actually, i was thinking of their electronics stuff which seems to be pretty good.
 
i think you may want to try a little research on China... assasinations are almost as common as executing leaders in public for "national interest"... Also perhaps you didnt get the news today, and hopefully this will finally and forever debunk your theory that the WTC was a government plot..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080422/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_al_zawahri

also take note that capitalism is not at all a bad thing, in fact free market seems to be the way to go as far as I am concerned... Of course you could go visit any number of the 1000's of sweat shops and villages in China that get paid a penny a day for 8 hours of work while their government soaks up all of the trade money and takes the people land from them as the feel necessary according to "national interests"

Believe me, China is very much a threat to the entire world, US and Muslims alike, should they decide to be..

your yahoo news is useless, don't waste my time with that trash.

We have seen the deeds of US, I say we give china a chance to see what they can do. Besides, the way US dollar and economy is going vs China's, it looks like the world doesn't have much of a choice.

What little left in US Dollar is because of over a trillion dollar of China's investments in the dollar and the west. First it was saddam who tried, then iran and chavez turned this way and now china said it no longer will peg against the dollar. Looks like a depression is coming....

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/07/china_drops_peg.html
 
We have seen the deeds of US, I say we give china a chance to see what they can do.
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We have also seen what China can do, and it was much worse than the USA. American pressure during the Cold War was the only reason why China even allows Islam to exist inside its borders. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
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We have also seen what China can do, and it was much worse than the USA. American pressure during the Cold War was the only reason why China even allows Islam to exist inside its borders. The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.
:w:

:w:

Chinese didn't starve to deathl over 1 milion iraqi children and then go on national tv and say it was worth it. China didn't wage WMD war based on lies upon lies and has killed 1 million iraqis and continue to do so and occupy muslim land. China didn't team up with terrorist and war lords to over throw a muslim gov't (afghan) and occupy it. China does not support zionist terrorists with financial, political, economically, and military backing nor hinder anyone else from passing any resolutions in UN against zinoist terrorism. China is not leading a war on Islam nor has bigots from religious to secular, laymen to politicians attacking anti-islam propaganda. China isn't making movies and tv shows with Muslims as "terrorists", preparing it's public to relax its views for concentration camps for Muslims when time comes.

I say we give china a chance, cuz we sure as hell don't want US demon-cracy in the Muslim world anymore.
 
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Chinese didn't starve to deathl over 1 milion iraqi children and then go on national tv and say it was worth it. China didn't wage WMD war based on lies upon lies and has killed 1 million iraqis and continue to do so and occupy muslim land.
China forced thousands of imams to abandon Islam and work in the fields. They would throw pork and alcohol at them and parade them through the streets to humiliate them. And they occupy Muslim land (east Turkestan), where they surpress any protests against their rule as 'terrorism'.

China didn't team up with terrorist and war lords to over throw a muslim gov't (afghan) and occupy it.
China still occupies East Turkestan. And if a Muslim country was deemed a threat to Chinese rule in East Turkestan they would be crushed even worse than the Taliban were.
China does not support zionist terrorists with financial, political, economically, and military backing nor hinder anyone else from passing any resolutions in UN against zinoist terrorism.
China supports Jinjaweed terrorists who have killed far more Muslims than the Israelis ever have. China supports dictators in Burma and Zimbabwe. China occupies Kashmir. China threatens to take over Taiwan all the time.

China is not leading a war on Islam nor has bigots from religious to secular, laymen to politicians attacking anti-islam propaganda.
America has never lead a war on Islam, whilst China tried to eradicate all religion. They have merely relaxed their persecution now, as America wouldn't like it.
And America stopped the last war on Islam, the Bosnian genocide. there was no oil or other resource at stake then.

China isn't making movies and tv shows with Muslims as "terrorists", preparing it's public to relax its views for concentration camps for Muslims when time comes.
China already had labour camps for Muslims. Again, they've stopped now because the USA wants freedom of religion.

I say we give china a chance, cuz we sure as hell don't want US demon-cracy in the Muslim world anymore.
And you would rather have Maoist Communism instead?
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hey fishman

study ME history and US involvement, i think you'll get a shock of your life. You can be as patrioritic as you want but quite frankly, rest of the Muslim world hates US. We have seen the fruits of this regime and to be honest, this nation and it's crooks are always in our duas (and don't think that as a compliment).
 
Chinese didn't starve to deathl

Are you kidding? It suffered the worst famine in human history, where 30 million Chinese died over the period from 1958 to 1961, under Mao's policies.

China is not leading a war on Islam nor has bigots from religious to secular, laymen to politicians attacking anti-islam propaganda

It is not leading a war, but it certainly is persecuting its minority Uighur population of Turkic Muslims in the Xinjiang province, a fact that has only intensified in the aftermath of 9/11. The situation there is the Muslim equivalent of Tibet, albeit a much-less recognized one, among so many people, Muslims included.

China 'crushing Muslim Uighurs'

I can understand perfectly why you wouldn't the US in your backyard, but counting on a nation which carries out detentions, executions, tortures and actually does repress our fellow Muslims, for standing up for their faith is just as bad, if not worse.

Even outside of the province, you still cannot ignore the virtual state-sanctioned Islam that exists for many, or as it's called, "Islam with Chinese characteristics", in an effort to maintain communist control.

Chinese Muslims forge isolated path

Muslim voices rising in China

I'll have to agree with Fishman on this. I mean, if you really think that we should give a nation, that bans Uighur children from attending the mosque, studying Islam and gaining knowledge, celebrating Eid, reading out the sermons they want on the Friday, and warning them not to fight this tyranny, and stray away from their version of Islam, a chance, then I think you're making a grave mistake.
 
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