Automakers step up in China as West wobbles

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islamirama said:
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I know, when i say mongol i was refering to mongols, which is why i speicifically mentioned khan in the next sentence. The empire was bound to collapse when the grandson defeated his father and his army. What's an empire without a leader?
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Sorry, I didn't see the word Khan there.


The caliphate you are talking about was a caliphate by name only. They were morons at that time. The moron king/caliphate of that time was messing with the khan's people for no reason. He had too much pride in himself. Khan was busy taking over china side of the world when this caliphate started sticking his hand in the bee's nest. Khan sent his diplomats to sort it out and this moron killed the diplomats too. So khan put his work on hold against the chinese and started towards Muslims. He killed 10 million muslims. It was the punishment for muslims who had abandoned islam and were nothing more than muslims by names. And Islam was almost wiped out. Then Allah guided the grandson of khan and made him a defense against the enemies and a beacon of light for islam. Indeed it is easy for Allah to destroy a nation and raise better nation that will obey Allah.
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It was the Shah of Iran who started on the Mongols and killed their diplomats, not the Caliph. Genghis wanted good relations with the Iranians for the time, so he sent some diplomats to establish good relations. the Shah, knowing what happened to Genghis Khan's other allies, didn't want relations with such a person and had the diplomats killed. So in response, the Khan destroyed the country and slaughtered its inhabitants.

In fact the destroyer of Baghdad was Hulagu Khan, not Genghis Khan.

Genghis Khan's grandson did convert to Islam. However, he didn't attack his father as you claimed, or did he conquer back his lands. He did attack Hulagu Khan's empire, but certainly didn't reconquer the whole empire. He didn't really take much territory off him.
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On the eve of the Mongol invasion, the spiritual state of the Muslim world was pathetic. Corruption, disunity, and materialism were rampant. Khwarizm Shah was not the only example of insufferable leadership. The Abbasid Caliph, Al-Mustasim, was reportedly pleased to hear of the collapse of Khwarizm Shah’s empire because of his personal dislike for the monarch. Before the Mongols reached Baghdad, the Caliph's advisors had convinced him to seriously scale back the army. The city was in no way prepared to withstand what lay in store for it.


And yet Islam did not die. Genghis Khan who proclaimed himself as the Scourge of God, who delighted in the rape of conquered women could not exterminate the Muslim Ummah. Within a generation the tide had begun to turn in Islam’s favor. Baghdad was destroyed by Genghis’ grandson Halaku but his great grandson Berek became a Muslim. In fact, Berek withdrew his forces from Halaku’s army after the fall of Baghdad which contributed to the first defeat the Mongols suffered against the Muslims during the battle of Ayn Jalut in 1260. The aura of the Mongols’ terrifying invincibility was broken. Three years later Berek himself would defeat Halaku’s forces in the Caucus region. Those who tried to destroy Islam became its protectors.



Historical Sources:
Saviors of the Islamic Spirit, Volume 1, by Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi
History of Islam, Volume 2, by Masudul Hasan
A Short History of the Saracens, by Amir Ali



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now lets get back to topic....
 
islamirama said:
The caliphate was destroyed by the westerners not mongols. it was destroyed in 1923 by the jewish kemal attaturk
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whoppeeee - attaturk was a jew!
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i shudda knowed!
 
thanks - i read the article (but not the comments).
if there was any mention of attaturk being a jew, i missed it.
 
i almost didn't read it because of the evil looking photo of the guy in the top hate with a big star of david on it, labelled "jewish dictator mustafa kemal".
anyway, i did read it and yes, it does cover it. this is the first time i have ever read that attaturk's ancestors were sabbetaeans. it could be true - i'd like to find it in some more objective source.
anyway, thanks for the link....
 

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