Turkey: Plan to lift ban on head scarves

Turkish top court annuls headscarf law

Turkey's Constitutional Court annulled the bill proposing to lift the headscarf ban saying it is an attempt to change nonamendable articles of the Turkish Constitution, the court said in a statement on Thursday.


The Chairman of the Court said the details of the decision will be included in the reasoning.

The decision dealt a big blow to the government of the Islamist-rooted AKP, which is under pressure of a closure case. Turkey's army chief said everybody should respect court decisions.

"The law of February 9th making constitutional amendments to lift a ban on headscarf at universities has been cancelled based on the constitution's articles no. 2, 4 and 148. The execution of the law has also been stopped", said the Constitution Court in a short statement on Thursday.

Nine members voted in favor of the cancellation of the law and two voted against, including court chairman Hasim Kilic, TV channels and state-run Anatolian Agency reported.



The Court decided to announce its decision in a short statement in order to end the speculations, and the details of the ruling will be included in the reasoning, Kilic said Thursday. He added the reasoning will be released "as soon as possible."



"The speculations made on our Court in the recent months saddened us and therefore we decided to announce the ruling in such way... So we are not going to give any information on the details of the ruling until the reasoning released because of speculations about our members," he told reporters after leaving the court.



Kilic declined to comment possible fallout of the headscarf decision on the closure case against the ruling AKP.

The case is seen as a proxy in the closure case filed against the ruling AKP in March in which the chief prosecutor cited this law as an evidence to close down the party.

Article 2 of the constitution describes Turkey as a "secular and democratic Republic," and Article 4 says the first three articles cannot be amended or even proposed to be amended. Article 148 defines the mandate of the Constitutional Court.

The law of February 9th amended articles 10 (equality before law) and 42 (right and duty of training and education) of the Constitution.Turkey's ruling AKP, with the backing of the nationalist MHP, had passed the bill amending the constitution to lift the headscarf ban in universities in February. Public opinion is divided over the issue and the main opposition CHP and the leftist DSP had challenged the bill in the Constitutional Court.

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/9107525.asp?gid=231&sz=20773
 
It Was Too Good To be True
THose FOOLISH PEOPLE CHP AND THE Millitary And The Whole Westernization Voters
Are Against Islam AAAAH It makes me Soo ANGRY
 
Güven said:
It Was Too Good To be True
THose FOOLISH PEOPLE CHP AND THE Millitary And The Whole Westernization Voters
Are Against Islam AAAAH It makes me Soo ANGRY
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I want Turkey to remain secular, however I think women should to be allowed to wear whathever they want, let it be tight T-shirts or hijab.
 
Yes I Want THat Tooo But Thats Impossible With Those Foolish People Out There :(
 
snakelegs said:
pathetic - turkey's militant secularism is like a religion in itself.
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It's like Imperial Japan: ultra-nationalistic but at the same time trying to destroy its own traditions in favour of a supposedly more 'modern' western lifestyle.

What I don't understand is why the title of 'Caliph' has been unclaimed for so long. Surely somebody would have tried to resurrect it by now? This is when we can laugh at the HTs: they constantly bang on about the Caliphate, but in reality its right under their noses...


Perhaps people have the false idea that the Caliph must directly rule all Muslims through a single pan-Islamic state? I don't think that's ever been true.
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^^Yeah i dont understand that too
BUt WHo deserveS To be The Caliph Who Has the most power and Faith ?
 
Güven said:
^^Yeah i dont understand that too
BUt WHo deserveS To be The Caliph Who Has the most power and Faith ?
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Power and faith don't often mix. Give the best humanitarian the dictatorship of the world and he'll end up a tyrant...
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Whatsthepoint said:
I want Turkey to remain secular, however I think women should to be allowed to wear whathever they want, let it be tight T-shirts or hijab.
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The problem is, that if it would be up to the hijab side, there wouldnt be anyother clothing than hijabs (or other muslim scarfs) on women (and all the limiting of freedoms of the seculars would be justified by calling that it is an islamic country, and no one would be calling it pathetic because it was based so purely on religion), so I can understand easily why the secularists want to fight so hard on this. In theory I agree with you, but I cant really fault the turkish seculars, considering how much they have to lose and how little anyone would really care if they did.
 
Suomipoika said:
The problem is, that if it would be up to the hijab side, there wouldnt be anyother clothing than hijabs (or other muslim scarfs) on women
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What on earth...? Do you realise you just said something about women wearing nothing but a head scarf, i.e. the rest of them in unclothed?:?

That paragraph really did not make any sense.
 
Malaikah said:
What on earth...? Do you realise you just said something about women wearing nothing but a head scarf, i.e. the rest of them in unclothed?:?

That paragraph really did not make any sense.
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Well, english isnt my first language, what I mean anyway is that there wont be women without hijabs in t-shirts if the hijab side gets to choose.
 
I doubt it. I've never heard anything about any Turkish party trying to make hijab compulsory.
 
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lol sis you're a little behind the times... that was a while ago and just recently the ban has been put back in place. :(
 
Malaikah said:
I doubt it. I've never heard anything about any Turkish party trying to make hijab compulsory.
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I don't think there will ever be one. The first or second article of the turkish constitution, I'm not sure which one, says Turkey is a secular state and the first three articles can neither be changed nor ammended.
 
Suomipoika said:
Well, english isnt my first language, what I mean anyway is that there wont be women without hijabs in t-shirts if the hijab side gets to choose.
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Er... not really.

Nobody is saying that wearing a headscarf should be made compulsory by law. In my view, that's just as wrong as banning it by law.

Still, at least this shows secularism is just as prone to paranoiac abuse as religion.
 
Muezzin said:
Er... not really.

Nobody is saying that wearing a headscarf should be made compulsory by law. In my view, that's just as wrong as banning it by law.

Still, at least this shows secularism is just as prone to paranoiac abuse as religion.
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Nobody is saying that because it would be a political suicide. I dont really believe anymore that a religious party wouldnt try to change the laws and base them on religion if they had a way to get away with it. Its already bad enough sign that they go ahead and try to break the constitution as the ruling party.

There is just so much at stage and so many bad examples on the neighbourhood of what happens when the religious parties do get to rule with the power to make laws based on religion. Add to that we see regularly people justifying and cheering such laws that limit freedoms, lashes to person who meets non-family member of opposite sex, punishments for sexual minorities, death penalty for those who choose to not believe anymore. Turkey isnt perfect (no country really is), but I wouldnt be willing to risk it if I was Turkish secular. Personally Im starting to think the separation of state and religion like in Turkey or France is the way to go.

On a sidenote, what is it actually? A dresscode in goverment buildings. Such horrid and paranoid abuse of power is done by virtually every country in the world.
 
Nobody is saying that wearing a headscarf should be made compulsory by law. It must be said that banning it by law is not quite right .
 

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