Will atheist ever get the proof of God's existence?

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ranma1/2 said:
true, many have gotten sufficent info to become a christian, jew, muslim, hindi, bahai, buddhists ect... its odd isnt it that they dont agree??
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most people do agree.

infact i find most people find the idea of One God creating everything most appealing and most comprehendable.



i dont know, i thnk some people find that their freedome is compromised if they enter into a faith thus remain atheistic. They dont want a theology or a set rule, they dont want anything organised, they want to live by their own idea's, whims and desires and thus find religion very restricting.



ranma, i think you will also claim to have no proof for the existence of God and in all honesty i cant see what more proof you require....
 
IbnAbdulHakim said:
most people do agree.

infact i find most people find the idea of One God creating everything most appealing and most comprehendable.

i dont know, i thnk some people find that their freedome is compromised if they enter into a faith thus remain atheistic. They dont want a theology or a set rule, they dont want anything organised, they want to live by their own idea's, whims and desires and thus find religion very restricting.

ranma, i think you will also claim to have no proof for the existence of God and in all honesty i cant see what more proof you require....
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I thought i was clear, guess not. most people disagree on which religion is right or god for that matter, or is everyone christian? or some other religion?

as for one god, which one? jewish, christian, muslim? I know you may think they are the same but they certainly dont. And despite how good it maymake you feel thats no reason except emotion. It may make me feel better to think there is a santa claus, it doesnt make it so.
As for why be atheist? it varies, im sure some are that way. For me ist becuase i find no evidence for any god. (oh and you can be religious and an atheists. Ask a buddhists) Not to menthion that Atheistism deals only with a belief in god/s. it deals nothing with morals. Thats for each individual to decide. (including you.)

and what "proof" do you think exists? your book? what about the christians book? or bahai? or hindi.. ect...
 
ranma1/2 said:
I thought i was clear, guess not. most people disagree on which religion is right or god for that matter, or is everyone christian? or some other religion?

as for one god, which one? jewish, christian, muslim? I know you may think they are the same but they certainly dont. And despite how good it maymake you feel thats no reason except emotion. It may make me feel better to think there is a santa claus, it doesnt make it so.
As for why be atheist? it varies, im sure some are that way. For me ist becuase i find no evidence for any god. (oh and you can be religious and an atheists. Ask a buddhists) Not to menthion that Atheistism deals only with a belief in god/s. it deals nothing with morals. Thats for each individual to decide. (including you.)

and what "proof" do you think exists? your book? what about the christians book? or bahai? or hindi.. ect...
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You forgot the Sikhs, who believe in unity and the oneness of all humans and the oneness of God regardless of Religion.

I believe because I've read my Scriptures, and it's luring. It makes me wonder the creation of life, human and animal as well as plants. The thought that a Master has created it all, yes i ponder over what the purpose is. I don't know that and doubt I ever will. But, if it makes me a better person in following it and I treat my fellow humans in a respectful and amicable way. Is that so hard to fathom?
 
ranma1/2 said:
I thought i was clear, guess not. most people disagree on which religion is right or god for that matter, or is everyone christian? or some other religion?

as for one god, which one? jewish, christian, muslim? I know you may think they are the same but they certainly dont. And despite how good it maymake you feel thats no reason except emotion. It may make me feel better to think there is a santa claus, it doesnt make it so.
As for why be atheist? it varies, im sure some are that way. For me ist becuase i find no evidence for any god. (oh and you can be religious and an atheists. Ask a buddhists) Not to menthion that Atheistism deals only with a belief in god/s. it deals nothing with morals. Thats for each individual to decide. (including you.)

and what "proof" do you think exists? your book? what about the christians book? or bahai? or hindi.. ect...
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your an old member here and im sure you've heard most of it by now.

all im saying to you is naturally emotions play a big part in it and whats wrong with that? BUT the ONLY reason i feel so emotionally strong about this is because it seems to be so clearly the truth! HOW can i feel emotionally strong about this if it didnt appear to be true to me? i NEVER felt emotionally strong about santa clause lolll or any other fake things out there ! so the comparison is ridiculous. ONE GOD exists, that to MOST is FACT, this God is PERFECT <-- again this to most is fact ! now all you have to do is look through the religions and see which one actually takes a God which is perfect in reality and not just all talk.


asking which religion to go for, every man has been given a brain, a way of life is REQUIRED, you cant expect a baby to find his way round london, in the same way a man cannot find his way through life without a guide! God gives us that guide.


i know everything ive said makes sense to you AND you've heard it before.



so i leave you with this...

MEH



peace
 
- Serene - said:
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Thor is a HUMAN character.
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Nope. Thor is/was a Norse god. Unless you are suggesting he is 'human' in the sense of being a fictitious creation by humans, in which case atheists think exactly the same is true of the Judeo/Christian/islamic God.

AvarAllahNoor said:
Does Thor have a Scripture?
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It depends how you define 'scripture', but I would say "yes". The Norse myths easily predate the Qur'an. Thor was only one god of the pantheon, of course (with Odin, Loki, Freya, etc, etc). The comics don't count (although Thor was one of my favourites as a kid!)
 
I beg to differ with the title of the thread.. should read more like..
'Will atheists ever give proof of God's nonexistence'-- since they with the burden of proof of course to find a logical manner to explain all that is in existence.. preferably under one canopy considering they are often fond of the 'principle of parsimony'... In the end they too are subject to infractions resulting from the fallacy of drawing an affirmative conclusion from a negative premise... If at the inception is a non-demonstrable theory of their own making (panspermia) (abiogenesis) etc.. they too are illogical and are followers of a man made doctrine....

'Which God' and 'why' is much too advanced a topic for folks who don't believe in God or I should say believe in a lesser God being (palpable science) only.. there is no point discussing finite details on the flight manual when you can't distinguish a bird from a plane..


Ultimately you have folks who have replaced Thor, or odin for Darwin or Dawkin et al.

at the end we are all pretty evenly matched... except some of us like to take provisions for the road!


:w:
 
Skye Ephémérine said:
I beg to differ with the title of the thread.. should read more like..
'Will atheists ever give proof of God's nonexistence'
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silly Se, its not our job to prove a negative. Its yours to prove a positive.
Its not your job to prove im not god or I cant fly. If I make a positive claim then its my burnden.


Skye Ephémérine said:
-- since they with the burden of proof of course to find a logical manner to explain all that is in existence..
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why? a simple honest answer of I dont know, or we are working on it is sufficent. Much better than a nonanswer like god did it. Can you tell us how god did it SE? or are you just saying god did it and leaving it at that?

Skye Ephémérine said:
....'Which God' and 'why' is much too advanced a topic for folks who don't believe in God or I should say believe in a lesser God being (palpable science) only.. there is no point discussing finite details on the flight manual when you can't distinguish a bird from a plane..
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I think thats a very good topic. If you are discussing a gods existence you should determine which god.
Skye Ephémérine said:
Ultimately you have folks who have replaced Thor, or odin for Darwin or Dawkin et al.
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may dawkins bless you.... ;)

seriously though, you can use your book to cure disease, and make advances and ill stay with the side that uses science.
 
Trumble said:
.. The comics don't count (although Thor was one of my favourites as a kid!)
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How can you say they dont count??!!!

they are clearly inspired works and depict the works of thor in greater detail.

your lucky thor doesnt strike you down for that.
 
ranma1/2 said:
silly Se, its not our job to prove a negative. Its yours to prove a positive.
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This is the sort of amphigouri that we are accustomed to from your person, and expresses nonesense.. Do you simply want to take up web space, or wish to bring every post down to a satirical cartoon for your own amusement?.. if the topic is well above you, which it is, why not skip it?
Its not your job to prove im not god or I cant fly. If I make a positive claim then its my burnden.
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another sentence that makes no grammatical or philosophical sense..



why? a simple honest answer of I dont know,
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I agree you don't!..
or we are working on it is sufficent.
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Who are 'we' what are your qualifications and what methods are you employing to get there?


Much better than a nonanswer like god did it. Can you tell us how god did it SE? or are you just saying god did it and leaving it at that?
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The none answer here is actually to 'believe' and especially on uncertain or tentative grounds and various surmises based otherwise on opinion and incomplete evidence.. albeit it a bit more coherent than what you are dishing out there!



I think thats a very good topic. If you are discussing a gods existence you should determine which god.
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Indeed that is a topic for comparative religion to be shared amongest various theologians.. you don't meet minumum quota on any grounds.. I rather think it an insult to engage you.


may dawkins bless you.... ;)
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May he take you to the abyss eternally with him...
seriously though, you can use your book to cure disease, and make advances and ill stay with the side that uses science.
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So far even the science that you claim is your shibboleth hasn't done much to enhance your mental capacity so you can engage in a topic like an industrious adult!

cheers
 
Atheists will never get proof of God's existence unless a god is captured on video or speaks to each of us directly. Atheist have no faith :(
 
Tornado said:
Atheists will never get proof of God's existence unless a god is captured on video or speaks to each of us directly. Atheist have no faith :(
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You don't exactly strike me as being an atheist, and to this end I think you are a person of faith despite your pre-decleration as being a person without a belief in a god (of any description)

Consider, if an "atheist" did somehow (though I can't imagine how) obtain confirmation that God's existence was absolute, my question would be "would they accept it" or report it to the UN War Tribunial for crimes against humanity?

Personally this pie in the sky crap matters little.........
 
root said:
You don't exactly strike me as being an atheist, and to this end I think you are a person of faith despite your pre-decleration as being a person without a belief in a god (of any description)

Consider, if an "atheist" did somehow (though I can't imagine how) obtain confirmation that God's existence was absolute, my question would be "would they accept it" or report it to the UN War Tribunial for crimes against humanity?

Personally this pie in the sky crap matters little.........
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:) Atheists have no faith because if there is evidence, there is no need for faith. It's unlikely that such evidence will come forth and so that means we'll never get proof of his/her existence. If of course there is some god and a resurrection, then we'll find proof, but I guess that's a little too late.
 
GOD EXISTS!
THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION!

The Humanists, those who believe in the Humanist religion, tells us that they find "insufficient evidence for a belief in the existence of a supernatural [meaning a God.]" They also proudly boast that "the time has passed for theism [a belief in a God.]"
John Dewey, "the father of progressive education," America's leading figure in public education, and a believer in the Humanist religion, wrote "There is no God, and there is no soul."

Yet the Humanists and John Dewey are dramatically wrong! You can know with scientific certainty that there is a God, and that there is no other option but knowledge that He is real!

A belief in God can now be based upon science, logic and reason! THERE IS A GOD!
THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION!
 
Humanism is a belief system, not a religion.

Belief in God (and lack of it) has always been 'based on' reason and logic, to some extent or other. Unfortunately, while reason and logic are capable of proving most things they are only as good as the premises and assumptions that are fed into them. As atheists and theists will never accept each other's assumptions and, most of the time, are unable even to understand why their own assumptions are questionable (or even that they are making any assumptions at all), the exercise becomes one in total futility. There is no 'proof', only faith.

Of course there is another option; that there is no God.
 
Yeah, humanism is ofcourse not a religion, but when it pumps "self-appreciation" into one's self and tells you that you are somehting very different and one of its kind, you are puffed up and your ego start to crawl inside of you.

Than, by doing this, you are actually segregatting yourself from society. Incidentally, the moment you start to work for your own benefit, you're sabotaging the "communal" feelings - Its another form of "Individualism".

During the period called Middle Ages, the words "personality" and "being" were used to mention God, after this scholarly genocide, these were dedicated to human traits, thus degrding God.
 

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