Arrival of Imam Mahdi

[Umar001]

I do not understand who your answer is to, or if it is all to one individual.

I do not understand the points as being directed to me, especially since I don't understand the connection with the verses cited.

I'll leave it for you to clarify that insha'Allah.

 

[Eeman]

LOL!
im so sorry! i am having difficulty using this site!
that was to brother abu sayab i believe his name is.

you are a moderator right?
someone keeps leaving me messages on the comments they have asked me a question and i do not know how to answer!
i cant send any messages either!!!
i am a bit blueerghhh! $
could u please help me maybe.

 

[Ayesha Rana]

There is a hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the wording of which is something like this: The Prophet (saw) said "how will you be when Prophet Isa (ah) descends and your leader will be from amongst you?"

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Dear Brother's

Salam alaikum.
Couldwe please get to the actual question that asked then we will debate regards the hadiths.

can someone please bring forth one ayah or surah in the Qur'an that refers to imam mahdi.

thank you

peace

Sister,

Muslims all around the world celebrate the two Eids and it is commonly known that these are celebrations of Islaam. Can you show me in the Qur'an where Allaah mentions the Eid celebrations?

Dear brother,

I much appreciate your time and energy put into the long post MashaAllah, i pray Allah swt multiplies your efforts and deeds in abundance InshaAllah.

Ameen, wa Iyyaki.

So from this clear ayah you can see that what Allah swt is trying to tell us is that there is NO distinction between the prophets (pbuta)

Distinction in what terms? I am not arguing with you about the fact that we have to believe in all of them without separating between them, as the nations before did:

4:150 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others,"

The verses you quoted only prove that it is obligatory to believe in all the Prophets and Messengers. They do not prove that we are not allowed to say that such and such a Messenger is of a higher status than others. The 'no distinction' commandment only refers to belief in them as the verse quoted above proves.

now the ayah that you came with for this argument it is quite clear that Allah swt is refering to His own preference

It does not make a difference - what matters is, as you have conceded, there is a difference in status amongst them:

For example, Allaah calls Ibrahim as an 'Ummah' - nation in Surah an-Nahl 120, a title he does not give to other Messengers. Therefore, he is of a higher status. Likewise, he mentions some of the status of other Messengers/Prophets and the respective favors they received which elevated their statuses.

In 3:84 Allah swt is telling us what we mankind should regard them as "Say (O Mohammad)" Allah swt is commanding the prophet (saw) to tell the people to make no distinction between them and no distinction means no distinction!! I'm sure if Allah swt wanted us to think of some prophets higher ranked than others He swt would mention so.

You're falling into the logical fallacy known as petitio principii - you have committed the fallacy of assuming what you have yet to prove. You already assume a meaning for the verses you provided that speak of 'no distinction' yet you have not yet provided evidence to substantiate this interpretation.

 

[piXie]

As a reminder to myself, and all other Muslims, let us come back to the First pillar of belief which we all agree upon insha'Allaah.

There is no God but Allaah :arabic2:, and Muhammad :arabic5: is His Messenger.

That means we have to Obey Allaah, AND His Messenger. Believe in them both, and what they both tell us. Because what the Prophet :arabic5: said was from Allaah, he only said what Allaah revealed to him/told him/informed him about.

So:

Qur'aan + Hadith

One is the theory, One is the Practical.

n It has been proved that both have been preserved by Allaah :arabic2:. Because we need both.

If the Prophet :arabic5: said something, we believe it and accept it, even if it isn't in the Qur'aan. Because it we don't, we are denying the second part of the Shahada "..and Muhammad :arabic5: is His final Messenger".

Therefore, if the Prophet :arabic5: said that the Mahdi will come, and if the Prophet :arabic5: said that Eesa Ibn Maryam will come, and if the Prophet :arabic5: said the Dajjal will come, even if it has or has NOT been mentioned in the Qur'aan, we accept this and believe that they will come. Because like I mentioned above, what the Prophet :arabic5: said was from Allaah also.

And we believe in All the Prophets, whilst recognising that some have a higher status than others. Again if we turn to the First Pillar of Islam, Allaah has mentioned Muhammad's :arabic5: name with His, which signifies that the Final Prophet has the Highest status from the rest of the Prophets.

Hope I haven't confused us more but thats all I wanted to say. If I have said anything wrong, then please forgive me and correct me (I'd rather be corrected now than on the Last Day!) and may Allaah give us the ability to accept our mistakes, because that is where our success and Jannah lies. and May He guide us, and increase us in knowledge. Aameen.

PS: Now I can get back to eating my popcorn and reading other threads

see u laters - debaters!

 

[Eeman]

Dear brothers and sisters would someone know of any surah or any verse in the Qur'an that mentions imam mahdi, if so then please do bring it into my attention and i pray that Allah swt mulitplies your rewards for your efforts of guiding and correcting people InshaAllah.

Ma Salama

 

[Umar001]

The Qur'an tells us to follow and take from the Prophet, thus when the Prophet spoke about this we take from it. Wa Sal Allahu wa sallam alay nibiyyina.

 

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:salamext:

Sis Eemaan, it's in loads of hadiths. Or are u a anti-hadith person?

 

[Eeman]

I know sister serene but i was asking for a ayah in the Qur'an

 

[piXie]

:salamext:

Why r u asking for that sis?

:salamext:

Sis Eemaan, it's in loads of hadiths. Or are u a anti-hadith person?

:wasalamex

She's Eeman, can't be anti Hadith person when ur user name is Eeman. Otherwise I nick it, seeing as I have no user name. :rollseyes

 

[Ibn Al Aqwa]

She is part of the Qur'aan belief only group i think.

They dont believe in anything as revelation apart from the Qur'aan. Ive even heard some people of this group slander the Prophet (SAWS).

Na'Audhubillaah, The Qur'an was revelaed to the man whose words they reject. Salallaahu 'Alayhi WaSallaam.

There is no use trying to refute, walaahi, i seen the likes of her before, they never accept, they only know how to reject.

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam

 

[Eeman]

She is part of the Qur'aan belief only group i think.

They dont believe in anything as revelation apart from the Qur'aan. Ive even heard some people of this group slander the Prophet (SAWS).

Na'Audhubillaah, The Qur'an was revelaed to the man whose words they reject. Salallaahu 'Alayhi WaSallaam.

There is no use trying to refute, walaahi, i seen the likes of her before, they never accept, they only know how to reject.

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam

i am not part of any group nor sect, i am a believer of Allah swt, His messengers, His books and His angels, the Last day and Paradise and Hell.

when have you ever seen or have proof of me slandering the prophet (saw)

please do make make assumptions...
cos assumptions is nothing but the other of all mess ups.

ma salama

 

[Umar001]

As Salam Alaykum everyone,

Look this thread is about Al Mahdi, let us keep it at that insha'Allah.

Let us also remember in everything we do we should have wisdom, and try see the bad and good of results out of our actions.

Moreover, with regards to the topic, I do not know if there are any verses which speak of Imam Al Mahdi, and as a brother pointed out, are there verse about the two Eids and so forth, there are though verses which speak about taking what the Prophet gave and matters like this, and so we take what the Prophet gave us of knowledge.

If people would like to discuss if we should accept the speech of the Prophet, then do so in another thread insha'Allah.

Lastly, but most important, I am a human and I may also go offtopic, so if I do forgive me and point it out insha'Allah.

And Allah knows best.

 

[aminahjaan]

Assalamualaikum, I have a question related to the day of Judgement and I was hoping if you could answer.

I've heard that the wall that Yajooj and Majooj and their army live in is broken and I want to know what exactly their army does on the earth, I've heard they kill and eat everything and everyone, but I'm not sure.

 

[Al-Hanbali]

Assalaamu 'Alaikum,

Bismillaah,

Sister, the sources from which we derive our religion is primarily the Qur'aan, as I am sure you will agree. We also derive and extract our deen from the authentic sunnah of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

The concept of the Mahdi is not mentioned in the Qur'aan, neither explicitly or implicitly. However, it should be mentioned, that some of the early commentators of the Qur'aan said in reference to the 'disgrace/humiliation' stated in Surah Baqarah; verse 114, was actually a reference to the Mahdi.

لهم في الدنيا خزي ولهم في الآخرة عذاب عظيم...
"...For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter." (002:114)

Some of the early commentators mentioned that one of the disgrace/humilation that they (i.e. the mushrikoon) will encounter is that the Mahdi shall conquer them and shall subjugate them; but this is not an explicit or even implicit reference to the Mahdi. So, it can be said that the Qur'aan does not clearly predict the coming of a Mahdi figure, but he (i.e. the Mahdi) is referred to in the Sunnah of Rasulullah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) in many authentic narrations. One such narration is:

Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "At the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allaah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great. He will rule for seven or eight years.
(Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557-558; he said: this is a hadeeth whose isnaad is saheeh, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. Al-Dhahabi agreed with him, and al-Albaani said: this is a saheeh sanad, and its men are thiqaat (trustworthy), Silsilat al-ahaadeeth al-saheehah, vol. 2, p. 336, hadeeth 771)

Sister, I would really urge you to listen to the series of lectures by Abu 'Ammaar Yaasir Qadhi on this topic; "The Mahdi: Between Fact & Fiction".

Here is an excerpt from that series where the Sheikh talks about sources of the belief in the Mahdi and he explains a little bit on this issue of the science of hadith; please do listen to it insha'Allaah:

http://www.4shared.com/file/52841156/ba3ce5b7/Mehdi__Fiction-CD1_excerpt.html

And Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala) knows best.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Dear brothers and sisters would someone know of any surah or any verse in the Qur'an that mentions imam mahdi, if so then please do bring it into my attention and i pray that Allah swt mulitplies your rewards for your efforts of guiding and correcting people InshaAllah.

Ma Salama

This is a fallacy known as Argumentum ad nauseam. You are free to repeat yourself as many times as you like (you've done so 5 times so far), however, this does nothing in substantiating your point. Until you decide to read our responses and respond to each one like we've done to yours, this discussion will get no where.

 

[NYCmuslim]

I don't understand how the coming of Mahdi or a promised one is consistent with the Quranic teachings that we, as humans, are the ones to establish peace and harmony on earth by following God's guidance. What is the point in achieving this goal if someone is just going to come down from the sky, save everyone, and basically do all the work for us? The Quran was given to us and Islam was chosen for us so we can implement it in our governments and societies and end the oppression and tyranny on earth. It was given to us so that humanity can unite under the submission to God and establish peace and justice for all. Something that this supposed Mahdi is going to do. So what is the point of our struggle? It doesn't make any sense.

“My intensive research in the Qur’an, Hadith and history has taught me that any human being who tries to save the planet and make it a better place to live is the Mahdi and the Messiah in his own right.”
-Jamaluddin Afghani

Just my two-cents
Peace

 

[Eeman]

This is a fallacy known as Argumentum ad nauseam. You are free to repeat yourself as many times as you like (you've done so 5 times so far), however, this does nothing in substantiating your point. Until you decide to read our responses and respond to each one like we've done to yours, this discussion will get no where.

Dear brother

i am no longer gonna carry this debate unless you bring forth what i asked from the very start when i posted on this thread.
is there an ayah in the Qur'an that mentions imam mahdi?

reason being is that no offence but i am not sitting here and banging my head on a brick wall over something that i know you cannot produce.
since there is no ayah in the Qur'an refering to imam mahdi...

i am sure there are many hadiths that you keep throwing at me but its pointless to me since it still does not prove to me that the coming of imam mahdi is definate.

well InshaAllah one day we will find out its inevitable so until that day i wont even bother with imam mahdi.

salam alaikum.

 

[Eeman]

Assalamualaikum, I have a question related to the day of Judgement and I was hoping if you could answer.

I've heard that the wall that Yajooj and Majooj and their army live in is broken and I want to know what exactly their army does on the earth, I've heard they kill and eat everything and everyone, but I'm not sure.

Dear sister,

This is the Qur'anic reference of the gog and magog

surah 18 al kahf

18.93] Until when he reached (a place) between the two mountains, he found on that side of them a people who could hardly understand a word.

[18.94] They said: O Zulqarnain! surely Gog and Magog make mischief in the land. Shall we then pay you a tribute on condition that you should raise a barrier between us and them

[18.95] He said: That in which my Lord has established me is better, therefore you only help me with workers, I will make a fortified barrier between you and them;

[18.96] Bring me blocks of iron; until when he had filled up the space between the two mountain sides, he said: Blow, until when he had made it (as) fire, he said: Bring me molten brass which I may pour over it.

[18.97] So they were not able to scale it nor could they make a hole in it.

[18.98] He said: This is a mercy from my Lord, but when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it level with the ground, and the promise of my Lord is ever true.

[18.99] And on that day We will leave a part of them in conflict with another part, and the trumpet will be blown, so We will gather them all together;

 

[جوري]

Eeman, you shouldn't pray, fast, make pilgrimage or celebrate Eid, as even the six verses that deal with pilgrimage in the Quran, don't go into great details of how it is to be performed!

I don't know how you are Muslim, but yours is a deviant sect .. this is the second time I tell you this sister, so take heed!

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 65:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar:

That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)."