See I have a friend(muslim) but he does not believe in the hadeeth. He argues that it was not around Mohammed SAW and that Mohammed SAW told people to not keep a documents of what he said. He also goes on that people made the hadeeth "decades" after the prophet SAW died.He also goes on that the hadeeth cannot be 100% trusted like the Noble Quran because the intereprtation can be changed over time...
What can I say to him to get him to belive in the hadeeth like the ones in Muslim and Bukhari. Can someone debunk his claims?
This isn't a sectarian forum.. it is a sunni forum .. sunni Muslims making up 90% of the Muslim population and generally as a consensus majority voice rules!. This forum doesn't foster the heretical ideology of the 'Quran only sect'.. it has nothing to do with patience or jubilation or sleepiness.. you should visit the FAQ section and read forum regulations...
If the mods don't remove aberrant posts then surely members will report it...
it is as easy as that.. one should as a general rule well establish themselves on a forum before introducing khwarij ideology? in the least to gain people's trust?.. I find that folks with agendas also seem to be the most inexpedient in their tactics...
all the best!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Sorry the admin here is a child.
And I wont answer him till he apologies.
His action of deleting just shows how much he wants to be god here.
Again his reasons to delete was blank.
Alhamdullilah, that we did not have to continue on this painful path down a few pages only to reach this very conclusion.
You have not provided logical objections to my individual arguments but instead have only vociferated emotional complaints. If you are going to get emotional and offended over a few deleted posts that were in reality not replies to me (I let your reply to me remain), then perhaps intellectual factual discussion isn't for you. This thread is about ahadeeth, not about this forum or how it is run, I don't have the time or the interest to listen to your emotional outbursts. So, I'm going to close this thread and quote Ansar from the other thread (notice how relevant it is here as well):
In my last post I showed how the hadith-rejectors have abandoned complete responses entirely and instead of contributing anything to the discussion they cut out carefully selected small snippets from a comment and then feign a response to that and repeat the exact same claims that were debunked before. Just in this thread we had to post from kadafi's Ahadeeth Myths almost a dozen times and people still kept ignoring it and repeating the same claims without providing any criticism on the article whatsoever. Its fine for someone to voice their opinion, but in a discussion when someone responds to that it is expected that you will provide at least some for of criticism to the response. If you just repeat your original comments again, that is not a dialogue, that is a monologue!
After 330 posts and the failure of 5 hadith-rejectors to answer the arguments, it is clear that this thread isn't going anywhere. We've given ample opportunity for people to formulate some coherent arguments to support their view but instead they play games by quoting bits and pieces here and there and repeating the same material over and over. With such an attitude it is clear that the discussion is never going to get anywhere. In a debate it is expected that you critically analyze the views of your opponent; simply repeating material is what we call argumentum ad nauseum.
This is exactly what happens with anti-islamists. They come on the forum solely with the intention to slander the Qur'an and the Prophet, they don't listen to any responses and just comment on what is most convenient for them, and so within a short period of time they wind-up banned.
There was a question regarding one member who was banned yesterday - he was banned because he stopped talking about the topic of this thread entirely and went into a long emotional tirade about how he didn't like the antagonstic approach towards him. I'm sorry but if you can't emotionally tolerate your claims being subjected to vigorous criticism, then perhaps factual debate is not for you. Read the title of this thread: this is a debate on hadith, not a debate on why you thought the admin was hostile. If you have personal issues like that then use pm. That's what it says in the rules. You chose the wrong outlet to vent your frustration and you suffered the consequences.
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