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    salam, forgive me for another dajjal topic but im just wondering...surely these 2 would have to work together...is ther hadiths mentioning of these 2 being in the same presence?

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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    I have not found any hadith that place them together. But that does not mean such does not exist.
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    Isn't Dajjal ½ human and ½ jinn?

    I think he is prophecy, and indeed an evil being. But I also have not read that he is satan himself and I don't think so. But yes, he acts like one many times.

    Now we could discuss the word "satan" itself, it is not 1 person, but more people? Here we use satan as someone who behaves bad, in that way he is a satan. But I believe he was a satan at his left, and angel in his right side, and that he is also supposed to be tested by Allah (swt).
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    i think its same like shatan has no relation with Pharon, Namrood etc but infact they are also not less than saitan. so dajjal will be most worse than previous ones in fitna.
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zuzubu View Post
    Isn't Dajjal ½ human and ½ jinn?

    I think he is prophecy, and indeed an evil being. But I also have not read that he is satan himself and I don't think so. But yes, he acts like one many times.
    You are possibly confusing the Christian concept of Satan with Shaytan. The Christians believe Satan was a fallen angel who rebelled and as such is a distinct being. In our concept of Shaytan there is no specific Shayatan, any being with free choice can be a Shaytan. Iblis was probably the first Shaytan and is the one known by name to most of us. The Dajjal will be the worse and most dangerous Shaytan mankind will face. It does sound like he will be more evil than all other shaytans combined.
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    thanks for the replys brothers. whatever dajjal plans to do, surely iblis has had a hand in those things for a longer time than dajjal has anyway. i think they both stay in the same place

    which reminds me their is a hadith of these 2 being together but its on the "arrivals" and i cant check cause thers so many videos lol
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    My conclusion through some reading is that the dajjal has been there in several places in the past:


    Ta-Ha[20:95]attention 2 - iblis and dajjal relationship? [RECITE] 20 95 1 - iblis and dajjal relationship?
    Qala fama khatbuka ya samiriyyu
    20:95 (Moses) said: "What then is thy case, O Samiri?"


    and in another time during that of the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) though I forget the man's name and he disappeared ..

    I believe that the whole term mason comes from:

    20 97 1 - iblis and dajjal relationship?
    Sahih International
    [Moses] said, "Then go. And indeed, it is [decreed] for you in [this] life to say, 'No contact.' And indeed, you have an appointment [in the Hereafter] you will not fail to keep. And look at your 'god' to which you remained devoted. We will surely burn it and blow it into the sea with a blast.

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    Qala faithhab fainna laka fee alhayati an taqoola la misasa wainna laka mawAAidan lan tukhlafahu waonthur ila ilahika allathee thalta AAalayhi AAakifan lanuharriqannahu thumma lanansifannahu fee alyammi nasfan


    from 'La masas' from touch me not until--
    so a mason isn't a builder of the occult as is commonly understood rather those exempt until an appointed time..
    Allah swt knows best of course .. this is one of those things that sort of made sense to me upon a lucid time but I am no scholar and I don't since I am not offering renditions to the Quran and Sunnah I am just conjecturing to who they're (Masons) and who he is (the Dajjal/antichrist)


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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    format_quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post
    and in another time during that of the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) though I forget the man's name and he disappeared ..
    Ibn Sayyad

    Ibn Sayyad was his name... here are a few hadeeth about him:

    Sahih Muslim-

    Book 041, Number 6990:
    'Abdullah reported: We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that we happened to pass by children amongst whom there was Ibn Sayyad. The children made their way but Ibn Sayyad kept sitting there (and it seemed) as if Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) did not like it (his sitting with the children) and said to him: May your nose he besmeared with dust, don't you bear testimony to the fact that I am the Messenger of Allah? Thereupon he said: No, but you should bear testimony that I am the messenger of Allah. Thereupon 'Umar b. Khattab said: Allah's Messenger, permit me that I should kill him. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If he is that person who is in your mind (Dajjal ), you will not be able to kill him.
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    Book 041, Number 6991:
    'Abdullah reported: We were walking with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) that Ibn Sayyad happened to pass by him. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: I have concealed for you (something to test you, so tell me that). He said: It is Dukh. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: Be off. You cannot get farther than your rank, whereupon 'Umar said: Allah's Messenger, permit me to strike his neck. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Leave him; if he is that one (Dajjal) whom you apprehend, you will not be able to kill him.
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    Book 041, Number 6992:
    Abu Sa'id reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) met him (Ibn Sayyad) and so did Abu Bakr and 'Umar on some of the roads of Medina. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the Messenger of Allah? Thereupon he said: Do you bear testimony to the fact that I am the messenger of Allah? Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: I affirm my faith in Allah and in His Angels and in His Books, and what do you see? He said: I see the throne over water. Whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: You see the throne of Iblis upon the water, and what else do you see? He said: I see two truthfuls and a liar or two liars and one truthful. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Leave him He has been confounded.
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    Book 041, Number 6993:
    Jabir b 'Abdullah reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) met Ibn Sa'id (Sayyad) and there were with him Abu Bakr and 'Umar and Ibn Sayyad was in the company of children. The rest of the hadith is the same.
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    Book 041, Number 6994:
    Abu Sa'id reported: I accompanied Ibn Sayyad to Mecca and he said to me: What I have gathered from people is that they think that I am Dajjal. Have you not heard Allah's Messenger (may peace upon him) as saying: He will have no children, I said: Yes, of course. Thereupon he said: But I have children. Have you not heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He would not enter Mecca and Medina? I said: Yes, of course. Thereupon he said I have been once in Medina and now I intend to go to Mecca. And he said to me at the end of his talk: By Allah: I know his place of birth his abode where he is just now. He (Abu Sa'id) said: This caused confusion in my mind (in regard to his identity).
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    Book 041, Number 6995:
    Abu Sa'id Khudri reported: Ibn Sa'id said to me something for which I felt ashamed. He said: I can excuse others; but what has gone wrong with you, O Companions of Muhammad, that you take me as Dajjal? Has Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) not said that he would be a Jew whereas I am a Muslim and he also said that he would not have children, whereas I have children, and he also said: verily, Allah has prohibited him to enter Mecca whereas I have performed Pilgrimage, atid. he went on saying this that I was about to be impressed by his talk. He (however) said this also: I know where he (Dajjal) is and I know his father and mother, and it was said to him: Won't you feel pleased if you would be the same person? Thereupon he said: If this offer is made to me, I would noT resent that.
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    Book 041, Number 6996:
    Abu Sa’id Khudri reported: We came back after having pewrformed Pilgrimage or 'Umra and lbn Sa'id was along with us. And w, e encamped at a place and the people dispersed and I and he were left behind. I felt terribly frightened from him as it was said about him that he was the Dajjal. He brought his goods and placed them by my luggage and I said: It is intense heat. Would you not place that under that tree? And he did that. Then ther appeared before us a flock of sheep. He went and brought a cup of milk and said: Abu Sa'id, drink that. I said it is intense heat and the milk is also hot (whereas the fact was) that I did not like to drink from his hands or to to take it from his hand and he said: Abu Sa'id, I think that I should take a rope and suspend it by the tree and then coimmit sucide because of the talks of the people, and he further said. Abu Sa'id he who is ignorant of the saying of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) (he is to be pardoned), but O people of Ansar, is this hadith of Allah's Messengern (may peace be upon him) concealed from you whereas you have the best konowledge of t this hadith of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) amongst people? Did Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) not say that he (Dajjal) would be a non believer whereas I am a believer? Did Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) not say he would be barren and no child would be born to hirn, whereas I have left my children in Medina? Did Allah’s Messenger (may peace upon him) not say: He would not get into Medina and Mecca whereas I have been coming from Medina and now I intend to go to Mecca? Abu Sa'id said: I was about to accept the excuse put forward by him. that he said: I know the place where he would be born and where he is now. So I said to him: May your whole day be spent
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    Book 041, Number 6997:
    This hadith has transmitted on the authority of Abu Sa'id that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) asked Ibn Sa'id about the earth of Paradise. Thereupon he said: Abu'l-Qasim, It is like a fine white musk, whereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: 'You have told the the truth.
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    Book 041, Number 6998:
    Abu Sa'id reported that Ibn Sayyad asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) about the earth of Paradise. Whereupon he said: It is like white shining pure musk.
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    Book 041, Number 6999:
    'Muhammad b. Munkadir reported: As I saw Jabir b. 'Abdullah taking an oath in the name of Allah that it was Ibn Sa'id who was the Dajjal I said: Do you take an oath in the name of Allah? Thereupon he said: I heard 'Umar taking an oath in the presence of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) to this effect but Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) did not disapprove of it.
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    Book 041, Number 7000:
    'Abdullah b. Umar reported: 'Umar b. Khattab went along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in the company of some persons toIbn Sayyad that he found him playing with children near the bettlement of Bani Maghala and Ibn Sayyad was at that time just at the threshold of adolescence and he did not perceive (the presence of Holy Prophet) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) struck his back with his hands. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Ibn Sayyad, don't you bear witness that I am the messenger of Allah? Ibn Sayyad looked toward him and he said: I bear witness to the fact that you the messenger of the unlettered. Ibn Sayyad said to the Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him): Do you bear witness to the fact that I am the messenger of Allah? Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) rejected this and said: I affirm my faith in Allah and in His messengers. Then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: What do you see? Ibn Sayyad said: It us a Dukh. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: May you be disgraced and dishonoured, you would not not be able to go beyond your rank. 'Umar b. Khattab said: Allah's Messenger, permit me that I should strike his neck. Therupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If he is the same (Dajjal) who would appear near the Last Hour, you would not be able to overpower him, and he is not that ther is no good for you to kill him. 'Abdullah b. 'Umar further narrated that after some time Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and Ubayy b. Ka'b went towards the palm trees where Ibn Sayyad was. When Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) went near the tree he hid himself behind a tree with the intention of hearing something from Ibn sayyad before Ibn Sayyad could see him, but Allah's Messenger (may pcxce be upon him) saw him on a bed with a blanket around him from which a murmuring sound was being heard and Ibn Sayyad's mother saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) behind the trunk of the palm tree. She said to Ibn Sayyad: Saf (that being his name), here is Muhammad. Thereupon Ibn Sayyad jumped up murmuring and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If she had left him alone he would have made things clear. Abdullah b. Umar told that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up amongst the people and lauded Allah as He deserved, then he made a mention of the Dajjal and said: I warn you of him and there is no Prophet who has not warned his people against the Dajjal. Even Noah warned (against him) but I am going to tell you a thing which no Prophet told his people. You must know that he (the Dajjal) is one-eyed and Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, is not one-eyed. Ibn Shihab said: 'Umar b. Thabit al-Ansari informed me that some of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) informed him that the day when Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) warned people against the Dajjal, he also said: There would be written between his two eyes (the word) Kafir (infidel) and everyone who would resent his deeds would be able to read or every Muslim would be about to read, and he also said: Bear this thing in mind that none amongst you would be able to see Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, until he dies.
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    Book 041, Number 7001:
    Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) went along with him in the company of some persons and there was Umar b. Khattab also amongst them till they saw Ibn Sayyad as a young boy just on the threshold of adolescence playing with children near the battlement of Bani Mu'awiya; the rest of the hadith is the same but with these concluding words:" Had his mother left him (to murmur) his matter would have become clear."
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    Book 041, Number 7002:
    Ibn 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) happened to pass by Ibn Sayyad along with his Companions including 'Umar b. Khattab as he was playing with children near the battlement of Bani Maghala and he was also a child by that time. The rest of the hadith is the same as narrated by Ibn Umar (in which there is a mention of) setting out of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) along with Ubayy b. Ka'b towards the date-palm trees.
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    Book 041, Number 7003:
    Nafi' reported that Ibn 'Umar met Ibn Si'id on some of the paths of Medina and he said to him a word which enraged him and he was so much swollen with anger that the way was blocked. Ibn 'Umar went to Hafsa and informed her about this. Thereupon she said: May Allah have mercy upon you, why did you incite Ibn Sayyad in spite of the fact that you knew it would be the extreme anger which would make Dajjal appear in the world?
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    Book 041, Number 7004:
    Nafi' reported that Ibn 'Umar said: I met lbn Sayyad twice and said to some of them (his friends): You state that it was he (the Dajjal). He said: By Allah, it is not so. I said: You have not told me the truth; by Allah some of you informed me that he would not die until he would have the largest number of offspring and huge wealth and it is he about whom it is thought so. Then Ibn Sayyad talked to us. I then departed and met him again for the second time and his eye had been swollen. I said: What has happened to your eye? He said: I do not know. I said: This is in your head and you do not know about it? He said: If Allah so wills He can create it (eye) in your staff. He then produced a sound like the braying of a donkey. Some of my companions thought that I had struck him with the staff as he was with me that the staff broke into pieces, but, by Allah, I was not conscious of it. He then came to the Mother of the Faithful (Hafsa) and narrated it to her and she said: What concern you have with him? Don't you know that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said that the first thing (by the incitement of which) he would come out before the public would be his anger?
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    It was said about Ibn Sayyad that he disappeared from the battledield and re-appeared in a Jewish camp some distance away, where he was spied by a Muslim who witnessed the Jews hailing their messiah - Ibn Sayyad. How true this story is, or not - Allah knows best. I do not have the references to this story at hand.

    One thing we do know about Ibn sayyad before his disappearance is that Ibn Sayyad married, had children and entered the holy cities. Logically, this tells us that he could not have been dajjal at that time. However, if there is truth to the story of his disappearance, then we can also speculate that it was upon the recognition of the Jews that his term as dajjal had begun. Meaning, a day like a year started from that time... ofcourse, whether there is any truth to this or not, Allah knows best.

    The Samiri

    With regards to the Samiri. Yes, indeed he was the dajjal of Musa AS time. The ultimate evidence is that when Musa AS returned from Mount Sinai (which is actually in Midian and not the Sinai peninsula as is commonly believed) and found that the children of Israel had fallen prey to the Samiri's charms and therefore built the golden calf at the Samiri's prompting - Musa AS did not admonish the Samiri - instead Musa AS grew to be so angry that he threw the ten commandments (freshly received from Tur Sineen / Mount Sinai) on the floor, and then grabbed his brother Harun AS (Aaron) by the beard and admonished him instead... Musa AS knew it was futile to argue with the samiri - as arguing with the dajjal is a futility in itself. Dajjal is the master of deception, and the stage of debate is where dajjal wins, hands down. So Musa AS, knowing this, decided to take his frustration and anger out on his brother Harun AS.

    There are also accounts of the Samiri picking up some dust from the patch of land where Gibreel AS had landed, and used this dust to make the golden calf "blow a sound" out of it (in order to convince the israelites that the calf was their god)... but how reliable this account is - Allah knows best. However, this piece of info hints at the possibility that the Samiri is not a human, but a jinn. As humans cannot see the unseen, but jinns see angels clearly... and jinns know magic.

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    Ah you know what I love when you or br. ABZ fill in the blanks, like on my thumma vs. summa thread.. really makes me understand what it means to be a single unit as an ummah..
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    I know exactly what you mean sister. This work is kinda frustrating in itself... tracing and tracking spirals that don't always conform to the golden ratio of understanding things is not easy at all. So when someone helps to provide another jigsaw piece, things get really interesting, really quick.

    I met Bro Abz last weekend coincidentally, he's a lovely chap masha-Allah. My only regret was, not bringing my laptop with me. I have show much to show you guys, but it will have to wait til August insha-Allah.

    I wonder if anyone knows anything about the Moses Tablet? Check these out sister Blubell, these are amazing:

    The topic of dajjal the antichrist, explored in a fresh, new way - that uses sympathetic analysis (rare) instead of just geological ones.



    The rest of the parts are here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoc-JijIyU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvY9O1rGy4M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btsFOZELaGI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxlwnXG0rac
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    Absolutely amazing find, that Moses Tablet !!!

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    ^^ I saw those lectures they were fascinating .. I admit I am not big on jinn and dajjal talk but I do like ones with an eschatological orientation so they may overlap at times..
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    Yes, interesting if only because of the way the information is understood. If it was left to the western method - they would have made a complete donkey ear out of it, and the find would have flopped into insignificance. But the fact the Muslims are guarding this find jealously (and rightly so too) as well as the much more important fact that the decoding of the tablet has been done "sympathetically" with reference to Biblical and Quranic understanding. Namely from the time of Musa AS and the Israelites, during their 40 years wondering the plains of Arabia. This find is too good NOT to look at. Small wonder why the story of Musa AS and firawn is mentioned in the Quran than any other event?

    ...We're living in the time of Pharaohs again.

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    You're right.. Even the prophet PBUH commented on how much of the Quran is about Moses (PBUH)..
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    Indeed sister. The implication of that is something we need to take heed about, especially in these times.

    Here is part 46 of Solomons Temple by brother Muhammad from Canada (A Palestinian brother who is the well known Youtuber, BUshwackk.)

    This part deals with the subject of the Samiri.



    Important. I think we should try and understand the hadeeth which mention the state of the believers during the end times - meaning our time.

    Abz,where are you bro? Bring out that hadeeth reference already.

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    ah the mystical is always so interesting to study. especially in circumstances like these with the troubles in the middle east. i was reading some posts on other forums with ppl talking about the Suffyani and some people were saying that it might be bashar al assad. what do you all think? and what do you know of the suffyani? do you think it's him?
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    The problem with the sufyani hadeeth is that 1) there are very few authenticated hadeeth about the him, and 2) there are many fabricated hadeeth which the rafidi claim.

    I look at the face of Bashar al Assad and I don't see a Muslim. I see a Yajuj wa Majuj... I cannot explain it, except that this is my instinct and no matter how much I tell myself that I am wrong, I cannot believe otherwise.

    It is possible that Bashar is the sufyani... and if he is, then that means BIG THINGS. 2012 will start to make a lot of sense, if Bashar is the Sufyani, put it that way.

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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    It is possible that Bashar is the sufyani... and if he is, then that means BIG THINGS. 2012 will start to make a lot of sense, if Bashar is the Sufyani, put it that way.
    Sufyani? Brother, can you tell me more about it please?
    And no you are not the only one, some thing seems off about Bashar to me as well.
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    Re: iblis and dajjal relationship?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    The problem with the sufyani hadeeth is that 1) there are very few authenticated hadeeth about the him, and 2) there are many fabricated hadeeth which the rafidi claim.

    I look at the face of Bashar al Assad and I don't see a Muslim. I see a Yajuj wa Majuj... I cannot explain it, except that this is my instinct and no matter how much I tell myself that I am wrong, I cannot believe otherwise.

    It is possible that Bashar is the sufyani... and if he is, then that means BIG THINGS. 2012 will start to make a lot of sense, if Bashar is the Sufyani, put it that way.

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    Well, in one of the hadith it is written that outwardly the Sufyani will be pious but inside he will be an apostate. BS does fit that imo. he's always hangin around with the ulama, doing islamic conferences etc. and he did some good things in the past, going to arab conferences, working for arab unity, palestine, etc. not to mention the things he did for the development of syria. For a long while noone would even think that he could be involved in any of the things happening now. If you knew the old side of him, you'd never believe that this is the same guy.

    but the things happening in syria now are just horrible.

    in a hadith it says that the Sufyani will kill women by ripping their bellies and will even kill children.
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    I never saw those Alawites as anything good. He doesn't even know how to pray and was said to 'convert' to take office which the Syrians didn't grant him, his father hafith an na3jja had killed 20,000 before him so it is a family trade, back then they didn't have youtube though and people just took death with silence.. I see nothing outwardly pious about these people.. If they were half good then the best in their country wouldn't be leaving to the west and taking a licking there too..
    God I am so disappointed with everything...
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    The narrations on "the Sufyani" are too weak to be part of the Muslim creed. They come for the most part through Nu`aym ibn Hammad and no-one
    else.

    The Prophet supposedly said, upon him blessings and peace: "I warn you
    against seven kinds of dissension" mentioning, among them, a dissension that hails from the East – that is, Najd – and a dissension that hails from within Sham – and that, the Companion-narrator supposedly said, is al-Sufyani.

    Narrated from Ibn Mas`ud by Nu`aym ibn Hammad in Kitab al-Fitan (1:55) and, from him, by al-Hakim in the Mustadrak (4:468-469=1990 ed. 4:515) who declared it sahih, while al-Dhahabi said: "This is one of the marvels of Nu`aym ibn Hammad." The chain also contains al-Walid ibn `Ayyash who is unknown. In his chapter on Nu`aym in the Siyar, al-Dhahabi said: "Nu`aym is among the huge receptacles of knowledge but there is always a nagging suspicion as to his narrations."

    A forgery on al-Sufyani is mentioned in the book "Al-Mahdi al-Muntazar" by Abu Fadl Abd Allah ibn Muhammad as-Siddiq al-Ghumari. It is the long hadith (on page 46 of the first edition, printed 1405 hijri) in the section of ahadith transmitted by Abu Hudhayfa, starting with the words:

    This translation of the above report was circulated: <<"When the Ethiopians come after the Arabs they will be defeated and thrown into the lowest part of the earth. While these circumstances exist, As-Sufyani will come with three hundred and sixty riders until he reaches Damascus. After a month, he will be followed by thirty-thousand from Kalb, so he will send an army to Iraq and kill a hundred thousand in Az-Zawra. Then they will go to Kufa and pillage. When this occurs a banner will come from the east led by a man from Tamim called Shuayb, the son of Salih who will restore what is in their hands from the captured people of Kufa and he will kill them. Then, another army from As-Sufyani will go to Al Medina and pillage it for three days and thereafter proceed towards Mecca until they find themselves in a desert. Then, Allah will send Gabriel and say to him, 'Chastise them!' So he will beat them with his leg once and Allah will cause them to be swallowed up. None will remain except two men who will return to As-Sufyani to inform him of the swallowing-up of his army, but this will not scare him. Several men from the Koraysh will escape to Constantinople and As-Sufyani will send to the leader of the Romans who will return them to him and he will slit their throats together with their followers. At that time a voice will come from Heaven saying: 'O people, surely Allah prevents dictatorship, tyrants and their followers for you and gives leadership to the best of the nation of Muhammad. So join him in Mecca -- he is Al Mahdi!" Then, Hudhayfah asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, how shall we know him?' He replied: "He is a man from my children, he looks like the men from the children of Israel, upon him are two white cloaks with frayed edges. His face is like a colorful, glittering star, upon his right cheek there is a black mole and he is forty years old. Al Abdal and those looking like them will come to him from Syria. An-Nujaba will come to him from the dwellers of Egypt and groups of dwellers from the east, and those looking like them until they all gather together in Mecca and so they will pledge their allegiance to him between Al Rukn and Al Makam. Then he will direct himself towards Syria with Gabriel at his front and Michael at his middle and the dwellers of Heaven and Earth will be joyful because of him. Water will be plentiful in his country and the river will be spread and treasures found. When he reaches Syria he will slay As-Sufyani under the tree, the branches of which grow in the direction of Lake Tiberias
    and he will kill Kalb. So the loser of that Day of Kalb is he who does not gain even a rein." Hudhaybah asked: 'O Messenger of Allah, praise and peace be upon him, how is it permitted to kill them when they believe in the Oneness?' The Messenger of Allah, praise and peace be upon him, replied: "O Hudhayfah, they are at that time apostates, they claim that wine is permitted and do not pray." The preceding Hadiths were narrated by Hudhayfah and are found in the references of Abu Nuaym, At-Tabarani, and Abu Amru Ad Dani.>>
    This hadith is forged. The Prophet, upon him peace, supposedly mentions al-Kufa in it without anyone asking, "What is al-Kufa?" - decades before it existed. Other signs of forgery include the inordinate length of the hadith, its emphasis on factual details in journalistic fashion, and the fact that *no one* narrates it except a string of unknowns.

    It would be safer to stick to the similar but unspecific hadiths of Hudhayfa in the Sahihayn or those from Umm Salama, Abu Hurayra, and Abu Sa`id al-Khudri in the Sunan. All of them mention the Mahdi without naming the Sufyani. And Allah knows best.

    Source ^


    However, there is this:

    Abu Hurayrah has narrated that the Prophet said:
    A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to the Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them. (Mustadrak Al-Hakim).

    Guess which tribe Bashar Al-Assad is from?
    The tribe of Kalbiyya which is the tribe of most Nusayris in Syria.

    Not much is known about his brothe
    r Lt. Col. Maher al-Assad (Bashar's brother) who is the brutal one.

    Here, check him out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maher_al-Assad

    Lt. Col. Maher al-Assad (born 1967), is the commander of the Republican Guard, which are also known as the Presidential Guard, and the army's elite Fourth Armored Division, which together with Syria's secret police form the core of the country's security forces.[10] He is also a member of the Baath Party central command and is said to have an aggressive and uncontrollable personality.

    Scimi

    EDIT: I don't know what to think. We'll just have to wait and see how all this plays out. Allah knows best.
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