The brains of gay men and women look like those found in heterosexual people of the opposite sex, research suggests.
The Swedish study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, compared the size of the brain's halves in 90 adults.
Gay men and heterosexual women had halves of a similar size, while the right side was bigger in lesbian women and heterosexual men.
A UK scientist said this was evidence sexual orientation was set in the womb.
As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay Queen Mary, University of London
Scientists have noticed for some time that homosexual people of both sexes have differences in certain cognitive abilities, suggesting there may be subtle differences in their brain structure.
This is the first time, however, that scientists have used brain scanners to try to look for the source of those differences.
A group of 90 healthy gay and heterosexual adults, men and women, were scanned by the Karolinska Institute scientists to measure the volume of both sides, or hemispheres, of their brain.
When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.
In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.
A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.
In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.
The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.
The Karolinska team said that these differences could not be mainly explained by "learned" effects, but needed another mechanism to set them, either before or after birth.
'Fight, flight or mate'
Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.
The amygdala, he said, was important because of its role in "orientating", or directing, the rest of the brain in response to an emotional stimulus - be it during the "fight or flight" response, or the presence of a potential mate.
"In other words, the brain network which determines what sexual orientation actually 'orients' towards is similar between gay men and straight women, and between gay women and straight men.
"This makes sense given that gay men have a sexual preference which is like that of women in general, that is, preferring men, and vice versa for lesbian women."
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"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
Maybe being a Short-legged flightless bird has something to do with it-- they also couplate without marriage or contracts.. take a dump or eat where they need!
cheers
Erm, stop being petty! - Other animals have been doing this too, not just birds! - It's not a diesese, or unless you're stating these animals are infected too. It proves, it's natural (God's command) Plus only a minority are this way. Your agument holds no weight other than you lot follow what's been written in the Quran.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Honestly your tolerance argument is ridiculous. Whenever religion A forbids something that religion B allows, religion A claims it's more "tolerant". That is ridiculous and frankly irritating. I have heard that some Sikhs belive that it is forbidden to shave their armpit, bear, etc hair. Islam allows say one to shave their armpits. Are we being more "tolerant" or the poor people in the desert who don't have to walk around with turbins ( I see alot of Sikhs wearing them) and alot of hair that keeps them at unbearable temperatures? Perhaps this is a poor example, but the point still stands. I could make many counter "tolerance" claims against you. Give that argument up please, it really makes you look foolish. Laws on sexxual behaviors are there not because we made them, they are there from Allah.
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HAHA, you're talking utter tosh matey! You'll find wearing a turban is much more cooler than any otherhead gear. READ UP ON IT!
Plus, the removal of bodily hair is not permitted as it's there for a reason. If you're going to argue about not letting a person remove the hair from armpits, we'll be here all day. Why did Muhammed say not to shave the beard, but to shave the moustache? it's silly, you have no argument, you have no facts, you're churning away for nothing!
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Plus, the removal of bodily hair is not permitted as it's there for a reason. If you're going to argue about not letting a person remove the hair from armpits, we'll be here all day. Why did Muhammed say not to shave the beard, but to shave the moustache? it's silly, you have no argument, you have no facts, you're churning away for nothing![/B]
Actually he said to so that the Muslim men look different to the disbelieving men.
From a different perspective, if the issue is a physical one with the brain, doesn't that show that homosexuality is not normal but is like a 'disease' of sorts? Is it, perhaps, something we can cure?
I wonder if this means that homosexuals would like to opt for treatment (if that ever becomes possible)
Homosexuality is a deviation, however a lot of countries don't classify it as a disease anymore. What counts as a disease is often more of a sociological thing.
A lot of people try to get rid of their sexuality today, usually through the healing power of Christ, but most end up as mentally deranged weirdos..
Homosexuality is a deviation, however a lot of countries don't classify it as a disease anymore. What counts as a disease is often more of a sociological thing. A lot of people try to get rid of their sexuality today, usually through the healing power of Christ, but most end up as mentally deranged weirdos..
Does Jesus 'heal' them then?
*Snigges*
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Erm, stop being petty! - Other animals have been doing this too, not just birds! - It's not a diesese, or unless you're stating these animals are infected too. It proves, it's natural (God's command) Plus only a minority are this way. Your agument holds no weight other than you lot follow what's been written in the Quran.
Are you equating humans with animals?
if that is the case.. we should follow all the laws that govern the animal kingdom.. for instance, animals are hardly ever monogamous.. so why is it so illegal to have more than one wife in western society? if you are going to look for your laws in the animal kingdom, it would be prudent to apply all of them, not just the ones that appeal to the current status quo, so that one can appear less of a hypocrite and more a man of principal? wouldn't you agree?
Homosexuality is a deviation, however a lot of countries don't classify it as a disease anymore. What counts as a disease is often more of a sociological thing.
That's interesting though, because to look at homosexuality as something that is predetermined by a persons brain anatomy would essentially be akin to making it out like a disorder at the very least, not a deviation.
That's interesting though, because to look at homosexuality as something that is predetermined by a persons brain anatomy would essentially be akin to making it out like a disorder at the very least, not a deviation.
I'm not sure what your definition of deviation and disorder is. what I meant to say is that homosexuality is a deviation in a way that it is different from the avergae/mainstream sexual orientation. Every deviation can be considered a disorder, specially deviations a person is born with, but it is actually the society that determines whether a deviation is a also a disorder. for instance, homosexuality is considered a disorder in most parts of the world, but not in western Europe, where it is no longer illegal nor considered a disease, and homosexuals can basically live their lives, so homosexuality them problems, which is what a disorder does by definiton.. this is my theory.. I haven't really thought it up that much.
It does not necessarily equate that differences in brain structure would result in sexual orientation.
It can be shown that differences in brain structure give rise for a pre-dispsistion towards alcoholism, but the person need not ever be an active alcoholic.
It can be shown that differences in brain structure give rise for a pre-dispsistion towards alcoholism, but the person need not ever be an active alcoholic.
That makes sense. Maybe some people are born with a pre-disposition towards it, but it might require a trigger of some sort. That's according to the diathesis-stress model I learnt about in psychology (which I'm dropping btw - I hate coursework).
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
What is the problem here, we can all live in communities we prefer. And let nature be the judge.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
I think it's important to remember that this study is the first of it's kind to look at the overall volume and shapes of brains within the group. Most notably lesbian women and straight men had asymmetric brains, with the right hemisphere slightly larger than the left. Gay men had symmetrical brains like those of straight women.
Brain volume and shapes are not "learned" traits and formed in the womb.
Secondly, They used scans based on positron emission to measure blood flow to the armygdala: Image below;
The mathing of gay men and strainght women and gay women with straight men might also explain why women are three times more likely to suffer from mood disorders or depression. Gay men have higher rates of depression too but this might be due to thier own biology or having to deal with homophobia.
In straight men and lesbians, the amygdala fed signals mainly to trigger "fight or flight" responses which is more of n action response mechnism in men.
This study shows that homosexuals of both sexes share not only brain volume and shape of thier counterparts but also brain connectivity.
Finally, they have looked at sexual orientation with no direct sexual orientation like past studies.
One more thing, we should be cautious when claiming that the west accepts homosexuality as this is not always true when you consider Iris Robinson (MP Northern Ireland Assembly) talking on BBC Radio:
Homosexuality is disgusting, nauseating, shameful, wicked and vile
She went on to state how her christian belief "told her" homosexuality is "an abomonation" and she advised homosexuals to psychiatric help. Interpretation of religous belief like this should not go unchallenged.
It's common sense and a little bit of biology. Humans cannot procreate if they are committing homosexuality. Therefore, you cannot be born gay (since it'd have to come from your genetic makeup - since both of your parents would have to be heterosexual for you to have been born in the first place, there is zero possibility of you obtaining a gay gene from them - even if your genetics were to skip a generation, homosexuality PREVENTS passing on the gene in the first place) Hence you cannot be born gay.
Zactly! You're right, and it's going against human nature and its perverted and Allah created us to be attracted to the opposite sex. SOOO, im-poss-ible
Zactly! You're right, and it's going against human nature and its perverted and Allah created us to be attracted to the opposite sex. SOOO, im-poss-ible
You just continue thinking like that you homophobic fool, lady I pity your ignorance.......;
Zactly! You're right, and it's going against human nature and its perverted and Allah created us to be attracted to the opposite sex. SOOO, im-poss-ible
when did you choose to not murder?
when did you choose to not commit adultery?
when did you choose to not steal?
It's common sense. We can discuss this till the cows come home. It won't be resolved. God knows why they are this way, and maybe when we return to him he'll tell us who's right and who's wrong!
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
It doesnt mean the brain is like this when the child is born rather it becomes like that after year's of being and watching haram and being round a messed up community that promots Gay behaviour.
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