The brains of gay men and women look like those found in heterosexual people of the opposite sex, research suggests.
The Swedish study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal, compared the size of the brain's halves in 90 adults.
Gay men and heterosexual women had halves of a similar size, while the right side was bigger in lesbian women and heterosexual men.
A UK scientist said this was evidence sexual orientation was set in the womb.
As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay Queen Mary, University of London
Scientists have noticed for some time that homosexual people of both sexes have differences in certain cognitive abilities, suggesting there may be subtle differences in their brain structure.
This is the first time, however, that scientists have used brain scanners to try to look for the source of those differences.
A group of 90 healthy gay and heterosexual adults, men and women, were scanned by the Karolinska Institute scientists to measure the volume of both sides, or hemispheres, of their brain.
When these results were collected, it was found that lesbians and heterosexual men shared a particular "asymmetry" in their hemisphere size, while heterosexual women and gay men had no difference between the size of the different halves of their brain.
In other words, structurally, at least, the brains of gay men were more like heterosexual women, and gay women more like heterosexual men.
A further experiment found that in one particular area of the brain, the amygdala, there were other significant differences.
In heterosexual men and gay women, there were more nerve "connections" in the right side of the amygdala, compared with the left.
The reverse, with more neural connections in the left amygdala, was the case in homosexual men and heterosexual women.
The Karolinska team said that these differences could not be mainly explained by "learned" effects, but needed another mechanism to set them, either before or after birth.
'Fight, flight or mate'
Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.
"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.
The amygdala, he said, was important because of its role in "orientating", or directing, the rest of the brain in response to an emotional stimulus - be it during the "fight or flight" response, or the presence of a potential mate.
"In other words, the brain network which determines what sexual orientation actually 'orients' towards is similar between gay men and straight women, and between gay women and straight men.
"This makes sense given that gay men have a sexual preference which is like that of women in general, that is, preferring men, and vice versa for lesbian women."
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"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
actually to practice homosexuality is to practice adultery if I am to forgo everything else, but from what I gather being an adulterer isn't frowned upon anymore than being a sodomite..
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
While I think it may be possible for some people to be more likely to be "gay" than others, I am very skeptical that they can be born gay, such as a mutation.
To me, it seems that homosexual people are more prevalent than ever. And since homosexuals cannot procreate, there should not be an increase due mutations (since they cannot pass there genes). Therefore, homosexuality is probably something influenced a lot by society. That's just my opinion.
It must be remembered that, just because somebody is homosexual, doesn't mean that they won't live their life as though they are heterosexual i.e. get married to a member of the opposite gender and have kids. It's quite possible that many would do that in order to conform to societal norms. If this is the case, then the homosexual gene (if indeed there is one) can be passed on. Am I making sense?
"I spent thirty years learning manners, and I spent twenty years learning knowledge."
I can't believe there are still so many people who think that you choose to be gay or are persuaded by society.
By far the majority sexual influence is heterosexual, every day there's another woman with her bits out on tv or in the magazines.
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It must be remembered that, just because somebody is homosexual, doesn't mean that they won't live their life as though they are heterosexual i.e. get married to a member of the opposite gender and have kids. It's quite possible that many would do that in order to conform to societal norms. If this is the case, then the homosexual gene (if indeed there is one) can be passed on. Am I making sense?
It makes sense.
I know a couple of Muslim gays who have got married and had kids because there is no way they can admit to other muslims about how they really feel.
Also a few devout Christians who were pushed away because they couldn't pretend any more, living as people expected of them.
Come on, folks. Get back to brain-talk, be it scientific, pseudo-scientific, or vanilla terrific.
It's on topic because the scans show that homosexuality isn't a choice, that individuals have parts of brain that are similar to the opposite sex and that's why they are attracted to people of same sex.
It's on topic because the scans show that homosexuality isn't a choice, that individuals have parts of brain that are similar to the opposite sex and that's why they are attracted to people of same sex.
Aye, but the 'Islamic ruling on homosexuality' theme is already being discussed in numerous other threads in other sections. The other stuff is fine.
regardless of whether you are BORN homosexual, it still doesnt justify performing homosexual acts.
its the same as being born with a bad temper i think.. some people have anger management problems with doctors would say are innate and pyschological, or carried on through genes. This doesnt suddenly mean you can justify anger, anger will still be haraam.
i dont agree with homosexuality, and i never will. i dont care what argument is put in front of me
"So after the truth, what else can there be, save error?" [Quran 10:32]
regardless of whether you are BORN homosexual, it still doesnt justify performing homosexual acts.
its the same as being born with a bad temper i think.. some people have anger management problems with doctors would say are innate and pyschological, or carried on through genes. This doesnt suddenly mean you can justify anger, anger will still be haraam.
i dont agree with homosexuality, and i never will. i dont care what argument is put in front of me
Let me add one thing. If they want homosexuality than fine, but why thrust to accept it on us?
I went to Australia recently and somebody was talking about growth of Islam and muslim population Islamophobicly on the radio. Those type of people usually blame birth rate for the growth. And to be honest, fertility rate of muslims is higher or/and theirs is lower. One main thing, that comes to mind is lifestyle. Few things that would reduce the birth rate are:
(1) lifestyle of dating and playing around. These people don't want to have children because they don't know if they will stay together or not so they use birth control pills and other similar stuff. Many of them I've noticed when they get older they not that much interested in children, some of them don't want them at all. Some of them prefer single lifestyle.
(2) some of them become homosexuals, during adolescence many are confused whether if they are hetero or homo. So who move to homosexuality they can't reproduce at all.
I think they are many other things that are causing fertility rate to go down. Islamic countries were there is a liberation movement like Morocco fertility rates have been going down too. Families with traditional values seems to have higher fertility rate regardless of wealth.
I heard situation is so bad in Australia that govt is giving now AU$ 5,000 for pregnancy, which would cause another problem in the long run.
Everything has cause and effect. Discussions like these make me think that these people want to have their cake and eat it too.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
regardless of whether you are BORN homosexual, it still doesnt justify performing homosexual acts.
its the same as being born with a bad temper i think.. some people have anger management problems with doctors would say are innate and pyschological, or carried on through genes. This doesnt suddenly mean you can justify anger, anger will still be haraam.
i dont agree with homosexuality, and i never will. i dont care what argument is put in front of me
Yourself being a female, imagine being told that the only acceptable relationship (romantic) is with another female. Would you do it, and if you did, would you be happy?
Yourself being a female, imagine being told that the only acceptable relationship (romantic) is with another female. Would you do it, and if you did, would you be happy?
Look at the bright side, at least you think that with her being female she would not like to have relationship with another female. Anyhow, this analogy of yours is rather problematic. It is like asking person who dislikes drug to think:
(1) You don't like drugs but I'll force you to take drugs as that is the only acceptable way.
(2) If you can't do that, then you have no right to force your opinion on people who take drugs since see I showed you can't change what you like either.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
You just continue thinking like that you homophobic fool, lady I pity your ignorance.......;
The only one ignorant is you here man. You know darn well that from a theistic point of view ( which I and billions hold to be true) homosexuality is a sin just like bestiality and such. But if you want sexual anarchy then thats fine by me, but dont go around calling others ignorant when stating an OPINION of yours against a religious BELIEF of ours.
But let me go along with your pseudo noble charade for a moment do you think BESTIALITY should be condemned? You are logically obligated to follow through.
This question goes to all you "accepting" atheists. DO you think bestiality is alright?
Look at the bright side, at least you think that with her being female she would not like to have relationship with another female. Anyhow, this analogy of yours is rather problematic. It is like asking person who dislikes drug to think:
(1) You don't like drugs but I'll force you to take drugs as that is the only acceptable way.
(2) If you can't do that, then you have no right to force your opinion on people who take drugs since see I showed you can't change what you like either.
1) Exactly, you are forcing those who are born homosexual not only be attracted to the opposite sex.
format_quote Originally Posted by AntiKarateKid
The only one ignorant is you here man. You know darn well that from a theistic point of view ( which I and billions hold to be true) homosexuality is a sin just like bestiality and such. But if you want sexual anarchy then thats fine by me, but dont go around calling others ignorant when stating an OPINION of yours against a religious BELIEF of ours.
But let me go along with your pseudo noble charade for a moment do you think BESTIALITY should be condemned? You are logically obligated to follow through.
This question goes to all you "accepting" atheists. DO you think bestiality is alright?
I don't know what other atheists think. However, bestiality should be condemned because it hurts the animals ( I think?) and obviously animals don't have a decision here.
Homosexuality is different. You have two people who are o.k. with one another and in the end aren't hurting anyone.
1) Exactly, you are forcing those who are born homosexual not only be attracted to the opposite sex.
What exactly? Your analogy was problematic as I explained, which you didn't address. By the analogy of yours we should allow drugs too.
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
How so? I'm saying that you are forcing the homosexuals to not be what they were born to be.
You are still not addressing the drug analogy. Explain why your analogy is different than the drugs analogy. Or you believe drugs should be allowed freely?
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).
talk bout Gay or homosex/lesbian....is normal in modern world...what gonna say is:
A uzubillahi minas syaitanir Rajim....
before i opening my sentences...
Bismillah hir rahma nir rahim......
Allahumma solliala muhammad wa ala ali muhammad...
Talk bout this issue about same sex love or Gay....is prohibited by Allah...since time oF Luth (Sodom and Gomorrah)..cause sodomy is really a huge punishment from Allah..., We dont choose to be Gay/lesbian/penkid...?
in the modern situation,people get lotsa abused by their friends and family oF same sex to make love with them...and later on sooner they will be like this... people dont like themselves to change to she male,or tomboy... and etc....people are forced to be like this cauSe is like a habits....u cant changed if wanna change,Can! must take lotsa time....u can prevail yourself and follow some good people what can i say Good samaritan to religion classes to learn bout religion and stay up with friend that heterosexual or straight women or men...!.....u can going to psycologist for counseling...is better purposed....and trying to change our thinking and attitude is the important..and so make up...and make that change...so how we can resist change? so we must pray to God to avoid sodomy or Zina...is Haram!....and steadfast in our 5 times prayer....and do lotsa zikir...for muslim....and christian we can priest or cathechism class teacher for help and counseling...
No one like to be Gay....except they want to be like that....and they said they are like that...strong in ya heart u can make the change...insyaallah!
Alleluia to the Christian!
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