Muslims using Western Psychology and Mental Illness: Permissible or lies? (OP)
This thread is for the Muslims who have adapted the science of psychology...
Is this field allowed for Muslims to study and practice???
Many people believe there are nothing but lies in this field that are against Islam..
The study of mental illness is alone a doubtful matter...
People diagnosed with mental illness have no proof that this disease exist...
Mental illness is a theory...there is no scientific proof though they call it a science it has no solid proof....
Is it halal for Muslims to use this study for life purposes??
To answer that question we should use the rule of thumb and ask well why not??
Many people believe that mental illness itself are lies... Though they do not say it is fact and they do say it is their opinion, they still diagnose people with illness and treat them....Some patients have to take medications which could kill them in the same year... In fact more deaths have been associated with mental illness than all US wars combined...Medical malpractice is at a height and staggering amounts concerning this field.. The trail and error has seemed to be non existent because since the field was created there have not been one documented cure in the entire history of the profession....
The numbers show that the odds are against a win....
The part of Mental Illness that is accused of oppression (Haram)
It would not be so bad if it were only a voluntary practice. Unfortunately in many ,if not all, countries that treat for mental illness, they have a program where if a subject is seeming to be too ill he will be involuntarily committed to a hospital and his whole life would be stopped for treatment against his will..If he dies under treatment this would be a murder to many in Islam and thought..
A profession of murder??
How could Muslims allow this indeed.?? How can we force a man to undergo treatment when the proof is nonexistent..
Again there is no proof to prove the existence of mental illness therefore if any one is treated for something he does not have this is a sort of tempering with the laws of allah..If one is accused of anything he should be accused of the rightful crime and nothing more or less... If anything else this is playing with the al hudud and creating lies, slandering, and wrongful accusations, false witness and in the case of mental illness, abuse, torture and/or death..
<snip> are you taking the mick? do you thrive on people suffering? blackseed cures every disease and sickness? why is it not doing you any good by curing your insanity and/or lust to see/cause suffering through plagues of disease?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Tariqa
The hadith is the hadith where the man of another land casme to him and offered him doctors for his city. The prophet replied that we are a people that only eat when we get hungry and we have no need for doctors.. The prophet himself declined the gift of doctors for his ummah which signifies that your health is better taken care of by yourself and not depended on others such as doctors...
I need a reference for the hadith with isnad.
Thank you!
How about black seed is cure for every disease except death.. Surely this is true and and bad cases we do not need blood transfusions when there is black seed. Are you saying this hadith is outdated and the prophet is a liar...
Actually it is you who is a liar and a charlatan. I have presented my case with sources.. all we have to go on is your crap..
Your crap against well documented sources..hmm wonder which to choose?
the prophet had said that every generation has a life span and his life span was to about 60 years of age... no they did not live for long periods of time but the people before him did..If we are living longer than his time does that make it wrong...? Is it not the sunnah to die young??
You keep contradicting yourself.. do you not see what you write? on one post you speak of living to a hundred, even a thousand, on the next you speak of dying young.. which would you like to derange to suit your fancy?
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Re: Muslims using Western Psychology and Mental Illness: Permissible or lies?
Not everything in psychology is correct but u cant debunk EVERYTHING all together.
Ok didnt Muslims, at the time when Islam was at its peak, TREAT such things?? How can you not cure something when there is problem with someone...or try at least.
There are differences of psychology of people in general, so u think the chances of it being imbalanced is null?
What about psychotic killers? u think they are normal, going on a rampage assaulting people? u dont think there is something mentally wrong with such people?
People with bipolar, skitzophrenia ADHD etc...u think they are doing all this for fun?
If science in general is wrong to u, as ur claiming with the hadith if im not mistaken(without reference), would ISLAM have been at its peak, exalting the world?
JUST out of curiousity...
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Re: Muslims using Western Psychology and Mental Illness: Permissible or lies?
What about psychotic killers? u think they are normal, going on a rampage assaulting people? u dont think there is something mentally wrong with such people?
No they are evil.. they are spirtually corrupt. It is sad that the west makes excuses for the evil souls by saying they are not evil, they are just diseased..
People with bipolar, skitzophrenia ADHD etc...u think they are doing all this for fun?
What is bi polar and adhd?? where is your proof that these diseases exists?
If science in general is wrong to u, as ur claiming with the hadith if im not mistaken(without reference), would ISLAM have been at its peak, exalting the world?
Re: Muslims using Western Psychology and Mental Illness: Permissible or lies?
format_quote Originally Posted by Tariqa
No they are evil.. they are spirtually corrupt. It is sad that the west makes excuses for the evil souls by saying they are not evil, they are just diseased..
What is bi polar and adhd?? where is your proof that these diseases exists?
Whos claiming scieince is wrong..??
tell me one last thing o mullah, if a person you judge to be "evil.. spirtually corrupt" whom I call insane, should they be punished for their crimes or hospitalised?
and I do hope that LIStaff take note of your next reply
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format_quote Originally Posted by doorster
tell me one last thing o mullah, if a person you judge to be "evil.. spirtually corrupt" whom I call insane, should they be punished for their crimes or hospitalised?
and I do hope that LIStaff take note of your next reply
if they are truely insane then they are too be judged under the laws of insanity.. thats that..we are not talking about insanity we are talking about mental illness. It is a shame that many of you confuse mental illness with insanity.. they are 2 different things If you give medicine to a insane person it could kill him if you have no proof that there is a chemical imbalance that needs to be corrected.. Its like trying to stab at a object in the dark.. You dont know what you aiming at or if there is any object actually there.. you can stab the wall or even yourself and comitt suicide.. They have no proof and if you diaognose a man with mental illness when they are only insane, this in islam is only a misdiagnoses a false judgement.. If it is commited repeadtly as it is today allah could greatly punish these judges for the wrong doings and deaths associated with their organizations...
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If you don't believe there's any evidence that there are mental illnesses, what's going on in panic attacks, depression, phobias, post-traumatic stress disorder?
Are you saying that because we can't see the chemical imbalances, that they do not exist?
If you're that kind of person, then why would you believe in Allah?
How would you explain tics? Do you believe that they are lying when people with tourette syndrome have these?
The way alcohol works is that it blocks off neurons in the brain from receiving any signals, thus a chemical imbalance, right?
Why would it be bad for a muslim to study their own species through sciences such as psychology? Does Allah not encourage it?
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format_quote Originally Posted by Tariqa
if they are truely insane then they are too be judged under the laws of insanity.. thats that..we are not talking about insanity we are talking about mental illness. It is a shame that many of you confuse mental illness with insanity.. they are 2 different things If you give medicine to a insane person it could kill him if you have no proof that there is a chemical imbalance that needs to be corrected.. Its like trying to stab at a object in the dark.. You dont know what you aiming at or if there is any object actually there.. you can stab the wall or even yourself and comitt suicide.. They have no proof and if you diaognose a man with mental illness when they are only insane, this in islam is only a misdiagnoses a false judgement.. If it is commited repeadtly as it is today allah could greatly punish these judges for the wrong doings and deaths associated with their organizations...
okay, insanity is not a metal illness? hm.. thank you o learned one, is it posession by evil jinn or may be a spell from bad old magicians?
instead of admitting them to evil western hospital, should we either burn them at stake or get an exorcist who then will drag them by the hair and beat the evil out of them?
you diaognose a man with mental illness when they are only insane,
ROFL
Traditionally, insanity or madness is the behaviour whereby a person flouts societal norms and may become a danger to themselves and others. Greek tragedies and Shakespeare often refer to madness in this sense. Psychologically, it is a general, popular and legal term defining behaviour influenced by mental instability. In modern usage, it is most commonly encountered as an informal, unscientific term, or in the narrow legal context of the insanity defence. In the medical profession the term is now avoided in favour of more specific diagnoses of mental illness such as schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders. When discussing mental illness in general terms, "psychopathology" is also considered a preferred descriptor.
Re: Muslims using Western Psychology and Mental Illness: Permissible or lies?
18. Do not say "Islam says X" unless your position is based upon sound evidence - which means the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Always cite your sources (i.e. what page of which book).
Locking this thread because Tariqa still hasn't given ANY backing for his statements. If and when you do have it ready, pm me with them and I'll re-open this thread.
In future, have your references ready and in the post - it shows good academic practice and does reflect a level of credibility behind your statements.
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