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    The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

    I am providing this information in hopes that some way can
    be found to use it in the battle against the atheistic,

    Darwinian concept of evolution which has destroyed so much
    of the original spiritual nature of human society, and help to
    bring the attention of the people of the world back to the
    increasingly obvious fact that God (Allah) created this
    universe and everything in it. I was many years ago a
    university professor with a background in theoretical
    physics, but am now quite old and dying of cancer. I want to
    do whatever I can before I leave this world to help humanity
    come back from the disaster of secular materialistic belief to
    a God-centered, spiritual world.

    Intelligent design is a modern variation of the very
    successful “Watchmaker Argument” for the existence of God.

    This argument essentially says if you see a watch, which is
    quite a complicated mechanism with lots of parts that must
    act perfectly in harmony then you can be sure that watch did
    not come to exist by chance, and that it must have been
    designed and created by a watchmaker. Therefore if we look
    at the incredibly complicated universe with a virtually
    infinite number of parts all acting in perfect harmony then
    we can be sure it did not come to exist by chance, and that
    it must have been designed and created by a “Universe
    Maker”, who could be no other than God.

    I can see in the current trend toward the acceptance of
    ‘intelligent design’ a movement toward a more accurate,
    objective understanding of God as our Creator. There was a
    time when science seemed to be the enemy of religious
    belief - that time is no more! Modern physics and cosmology
    (science of the origin and development of the universe) now
    provide firm objective evidence of the existence of God,
    confirm the primary attributes of God, and show how God
    created the physical existence out of ‘nothingness’. This
    knowledge comes from a critical analysis of the ‘Big Bang’
    theory, Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, and work
    being done in quantum physics. The concepts behind this
    esoteric scientific knowledge can now be presented in such
    a way as to be understood by any person with a modern
    education and necessarily should become known by all. I
    would predict that it will not be too long until the position
    of atheism is considered to be scientifically naïve, logically
    nonsensical, and philosophically embarrassing.

    My presentation of these facts may not be in exactly the
    theological language you might prefer, but this is not the
    time to quibble over differences in form. It is the acceptance
    of the basic truth of God’s existence and His role as Creator
    of the physical universe and everything in it that is critical.

    Although intelligent design is a powerful argument against
    atheistic, Darwinian evolutionist ideas I think the one area
    of weakness in intelligent design is that it does not yet
    offer the ‘mechanism’ by which God did (or at least could)
    create the universe and fashion each of the progressive
    stages in the development of the matter of the universe,
    including biological life. Believe me, the atheistic
    evolutionists will be quick to exploit this perceived weakness.

    The following is an example of the kind of attack that
    intelligent design will face until the ‘mechanism’ by which God’s creative process takes place is offered.

    “Intelligent Design, which has some claim to being based on hard evidence, remains woefully short on the required specifics. We are told that some unknown but all-powerful entity created, or rather designed life as we know it. How? And, in what way? Don't ask. Just take their word for it.” - From an article in the Binghamton Press & Sun-Bulletin
    newspaper.


    I will have to be exceedingly brief in this explanation since many books could be written on this most important and complex subject, so I will leave it to you to have these facts checked by scientists of your acquaintance, although I have already verified the facts with other scientists to my own satisfaction.

    Allah revealed to us in the Qur’an that He created the physical universe out of nothingness, the Christian Bible presents a very similar version of the creation of the physical existence through Light, and I believe other religions also hold somewhat analogous views. This is confirmed by modern cosmologists who must now acknowledge the physical existence had a beginning from complete nothingness (no time, no space, and no matter) and at a singularity ‘Light’, a fair non-technical name for the full spectrum of photons of electromagnetic radiation, came into existence. This intense Light energy resulted in the creation of matter in the form of sub-atomic particles; of primary importance to us were the protons, neutrons, and electrons, the basic building blocks of all that now exists in the physical universe. Additionally, as a side effect of the creation of material particles was the simultaneous appearance of space and time.

    This provides our first opportunity to see Light as the interface between the non-physical (spiritual) world and the physical existence. These sub-atomic particles were sometime later transformed into atomic nuclei and the various atoms (all the different elements which still exist today). When asked why the sub-atomic particles joined together into the more complex arrangements of nuclei and atoms science answers that it is due to the ‘electromagnetic force’. This electromagnetic force is carried out through an exchange of photons (Light energy). According to Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity, which is about the ‘special’ characteristics of Light, photons of Light energy do not show any of the three necessary characteristics to be part of the physical universe. They do not have mass, they do not occupy volume of space, and they are not involved in the flow of time; therefore, Light maintains non-material characteristics, once again indicating its nature as an interface between the non-physical (spiritual) world and the physical universe.

    From a religious point of view what I would say is happening is that we see how God, acting in an orderly and lawful manner, did command the necessary sub-atomic particles to join together into certain relationships we call nuclei and atoms. The ‘electromagnetic force’ is only the name science has put on these orderly, lawful workings of God as He goes through this early stage of the Creation. It appears God does this by sending Light as the messenger to carry information regarding His commands to the various sub-atomic particles and telling them how it is His Will that they relate to each other in this new, more complex manner. Here we begin to see the ‘mechanism’ missing from the intelligent design argument by which God’s Will is carried out in the physical existence.

    We see exactly the same process taking place later in the development of the physical universe when various atoms begin relating to other atoms in another step toward greater complexity and becoming the various molecules, as in the simple example when two hydrogen atoms are joined with one oxygen atom to form a molecule of water. Once again science now knows that only certain atoms will form relationships with certain other atoms and the information as to which atoms can and should join with other atoms is determined by another exchange of photons (Light energy). Light again being the messenger from the non-physical (spiritual) existence telling the created matter how to carry out its role in the development of the physical universe. God’s Will is commanded to the atomic structures by the messengers of Light. This appears to be the ‘mechanism’ by which God transforms simple atoms into the various molecules of increasing complexity all the way up through the amino acids, and proteins to the highly complex DNA molecule.

    Importantly, we see that God does not at each new stage of material complexity (sub-atomic particles, atoms, and molecules) create anew; He commands the rearrangement of the previous simpler stage into the next more complex stage. And to move from one stage to another in increasing complexity, God each time appears to use the ‘mechanism’ of Light as a messenger to transmit His Will from the non-physical (spiritual) existence to the various material forms of the physical universe.

    At the sub-atomic, the atomic, and the molecular levels of material development science is clearly able to understand how the changes taking place are due to the information passed on through an exchange of photons of Light energy. Unfortunately, as we reach the next level of complexity, which is the progression from the molecular stage to the stage of biological life, the plants and animals, the process becomes so complex that from science we are as yet unable to fully perceive all that takes place to make that step. But through logic, extrapolation, and preliminary scientific findings we may fairly and rightly assume that it is only reasonable that the same method was used as in the earlier stages of progressive development. So we would expect that by an exchange of photons (Light energy) between the molecular entities existing at that time information was passed telling the various molecules involved to relate to each other in such a manner that a new level of material complexity is achieved, that being the simplest forms of biological life.

    When God decides the time is right to create biological life He commands that His Will be done and sends messengers of Light from the spiritual existence to the physical universe instructing the necessary molecular forms He had already created to join together in the new, more complex relationship of simple biological life. These simple biological life forms are then made up of the even simpler material forms, the atoms and molecules, from the surrounding environment which are instructed by photons of light energy from a DNA type molecule to form themselves into the new, more complex relationship of biological life. Here we see the same ‘mechanism’ being used as in all the previous stages of creation.

    Now we can begin to understand the ‘mechanism’ behind the final stages of increasing material complexity as God transforms simple biological life forms into all the more complex plants and animals we see in the world today. Beginning with the first simple forms of biological life which God had already created He now only has to send messages by Light from the non-physical (spiritual) existence to the physical world commanding that His Will be carried out and that all the necessary more complex forms of plant and animal life must come to be. These changes from one stage to another, from the simple to the more complex, require only slight alterations in the overall structure of the DNA molecule. These small structural changes in the DNA molecule are determined by information transmitted by photons (Light energy) to the atomic structures making up the DNA molecule, instructing them to move into slightly different arrangements in one or more small areas of the long and complex structure of the overall DNA molecule. The combined effect of these small structural changes to the DNA molecule are sufficient to bring about any desired modifications in the next progressively complex physical form to be expressed (all of the various plants and animals) which are required by God to facilitate the continued unfolding of the physical creation according to His Plan.
    Through this new knowledge we now have a scientifically verifiable ‘mechanism’ by which God could have created the physical universe from nothing in the beginning of time. Conveniently, information transmitted through Light energy also provides the ‘mechanism’ by which God could have directly commanded the creation of all the different increasingly complex stages and forms of matter which we find today throughout the physical universe, including all forms of biological life. It will be very difficult, I believe impossible, for the Godless evolutionists and atheistic scientists to successfully argue against this understanding of God’s Plan for Creation.

    Of course do not only take my word for this, verify what I have said with reputable scientists sympathetic to the cause of intelligent design, and use these ideas in any way and with whatever words you find most comfortable to help bring the world’s people to the knowledge that God does indeed exist, that He created the entire physical existence, and that He created us for a special place in His Grand Plan. This could be the beginning of the end for secular materialism and atheism, and the beginning of a future world fully recognizing its spiritual nature and glorifying God through peace and love.



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    http://www.islamic-world.net/intldes.php
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    Re: The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

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    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    You're the one who tried to apply an idea to a situation for which it wasn't intended.
    I can't make up for the shortcomings of an insufficiently educated troll!
    Your favoured definition:
    "a natural process that results in the survival and reproductive success of individuals or groups best adjusted to their environment and that leads to the perpetuation of genetic qualities best suited to that particular environment"

    It doesn't say what that environment can or cannot be. This is why I noted that the distinction between natural and artificial is arbitrary since everything could be considered natural as it all comes from 'nature'.
    Another non sequitur that has positively no relevance to what I have written, the subject matter, the definition or what falls into its confines-- a group of plastered words as is expected of someone who draws satisfaction of overly simplistic conclusions!




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    Does it irritate you when the insufficiently educated can point out the flaws in your killer arguments?

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    Re: The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    Does it irritate you when the insufficiently educated can point out the flaws in your killer arguments?
    Rather, I find it amusing and virtually appealing that they are able to distinguish a flaw from their crypts of morgagni, given that all their contentions come straight out of there

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    Re: The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

    Either way, it's not a great endorsement of your own education that on failing to discredit an idea as it is, you seek to change it until you can.

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    Re: The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    Either way, it's not a great endorsement of your own education that on failing to discredit an idea as it is, you seek to change it until you can.
    My education is verified by the highest accrediting body in the western world, the rant of a gadfly whose two remaining brain cells are held together by a spirochete, and can't argue sense to save his dear life, holds no bearing on the matter!

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    It's a shame then that the opinions of the great scholars of the western world don't actually seem to mean anything to you.

    Hope we can find something to argue over in future Ta-ta for now.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    It's a shame then that the opinions of the great scholars of the western world don't actually seem to mean anything to you.

    Hope we can find something to argue over in future Ta-ta for now.
    opinions? if such is the case then there is plenty of opinion from both sides argued by great scientists .. Being a scientist doesn't denote automatic belief in evolution or anything in between. Science is concerned with facts not fiction. ..

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    Even more of a shame that you disregard that which western scholars consider fact.

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    Re: The ‘Mechanism’ Behind Intelligent Design

    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    Even more of a shame that you disregard that which western scholars consider fact.
    I guess the shame goes both ways especially when we speak of 'facts'?

    http://www.iscid.org/papers/Mullan_P...ell_112302.pdf
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/q-bio/papers/0603/0603005.pdf

    and if I am merely to go on your preferred style of empiricist philosophy!

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/56427

    BTW, I like showcased apes at the natural history as much as the next guy though, but I think they share a common ancestor with atheists only!

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