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    By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    “Immunizations the best thing to protect your child from a variety of diseases.”



    You hear this from your doctor from the media, from the brochures in the clinic, from your friends. But, did you ever stop to think twice about what it all means?


    Did you ever look deeper into the issue and the other side of the story?
    Well let’s read on…..


    Your child is just born and one of the first things you do is call the clinic to schedule an appointment for your first “well-baby” visit. During the visit, after about 1 or 2 months, you can expect your baby to be weighed, measured, and put through excruciating pain from several shots in the leg. Your baby has just received his first immunization (or vaccination) shots and you allow it to happen without even questioning. It is just assumed that your pediatrician has your best interests in mind and that immunizations are the best thing to protect your child from a variety of diseases. You hear this from your doctor, from the media, from the brochures in the clinic, from your friends. You figure that the pain your baby has just gone through is worth the protection that he receives.
    But, did you ever stop to think twice about what it all means? Did you ever look deeper into the issue and read the other side of the story? (The one that is not provided by your doctor). Did you know, for example, that immunizations may cause serious side effects in children, even as serious as death? Did you know that immunizations actually weaken the immune system and make it work less effectively and efficiently? Were you aware that immunizations contain harmful chemicals that are not indigenous to the body? Did you know that your child might still contract a disease even if he or she has been immunized against?


    If you have a new baby, a young child or are considering having children in the future, these are concerns that you want to investigate and learn more about. Many parents have, and they have decided NOT to immunise their children. Let us look into this matter more closely and also consider it form an Islamic perspective. The health and well being of your child may be at stake.


    Myths and Realities

    Myth 1. “Vaccines are effective at protecting people from diseases”
    Reality: Many studies in the medical literature have documented vaccine failure. Measles, mumps, small pox, polio and Hib outbreaks have all occurred in vaccinated populations. In 1989, for example measles outbreaks occurred in schools with vaccination levels greater than 98% (Centres for Disease Control). The World Health Organization has actually found that a person who is vaccinated for measles has a 15 times greater likelihood of contracting the disease than a person who is not. The effectiveness of the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine has been reported to be around 50%. In an incident in Kansas in 1986, 90% of pertussis cases were found to have been vaccinated. In another study of rubella, 36% of adolescent females who had been vaccinated against the disease lacked evidence of immunity by blood tests. Following the introduction of the diphtheria vaccine in various countries, incidents of the disease actually increased phenomenally. In France, there was a 30% increase; in Hungary, a 55% increase; and in Geneva, Switzerland, there was a tripling of the disease. All of this occurring after the introduction of mass compulsory vaccinations in those countries. In Australia, where vaccinations are not mandatory and only about ½ of the population receives them, the rates of illness are the same for both the vaccinated and non-vaccinated groups.
    What all of these facts point to (and there are many more related to this) is that vaccinations are not as effective as people are made to believe. A person who has been vaccinated has no guarantee that he will not contract the disease and chances are that if he does, it will be at a later age when the consequences are much more serious. The truth of the matter is that when immunity to disease is acquired naturally (such as through breastfeeding or through contact at a young age), the possibility of re-infection is only 3.2%. If the “immunity” comes from the artificial means of vaccinations, the chance of re-infection is 80%. In any epidemic, only a small percentage of the population actually contracts the disease, many of them being naturally immune. If a person who has been vaccinated does not contract the disease, this proves nothing. Chances are that even without the vaccination, he or she would not have gotten the disease any way.

    Myth 2: “Vaccines are the main reason for declines in disease rates”
    Reality: Most declines in diseases occurred before the introduction of mass immunizations. Infectious disease deaths in the United States and England declined an average of 80% prior to vaccinations. The British Association for the Advancement of Science found that childhood diseases decreased by 90% between 1850 and 1940, long before mandatory vaccination programs. European countries that refused immunizations for small pox and polio saw these epidemics end along with countries that had mandated them. Other infectious diseases continued to decline even in the absence of vaccines for them. This included declines in tuberculosis, chicken pox, scarlet fever, typhus, typhoid and plague.


    So what, you may ask, were the reasons for the decrease in diseases at this point in time. Research has found that improved sanitation and hygienic practices; along with improvements in diet and other health factors were the main contributing factors in eradication many diseases. A recent report by the World Health Organization supported this fact. The report found that “disease and mortality rates in third world countries have no direct correlation with immunization procedures or medical treatment, but are closely related to the standard of diet and hygiene.” What this means is that it is not as important to be immunized as it is to eat healthily and maintain personal hygiene and environmental cleanliness.


    Myth 3: “Vaccines are completely safe for children.”

    Reality: Vaccines are much more dangerous than we are even aware of. This is information that you will probably not receive from your doctor and if you child does have a reaction, it is unlikely that your doctor will report it. In 1986, the United States Congress created The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which acknowledges the reality of vaccine-caused injuries and death. This law requires doctors to provide parents with information about the benefits and risks of childhood vaccines prior to vaccination and also requires doctors to report vaccine reactions to federal health officials. The Food and Drug Administration, which monitors this (along with the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention), acknowledged that 90% of doctors do not report vaccine reactions as required by law.
    More than 12,000 adverse reactions to vaccines are reported each year. If the rate of under-reporting is considered, this number should be closer to 120,000. Vaccine-related deaths occurring each year may be over 1000. The compensation portion of the Vaccine Injury Act awards up to $250,000 if a child dies from a vaccination or millions in dollars to cover lifelong medical bills, pain and suffering in the case of a brain-damaged child. By 1997, more than $802 million had been awarded for hundreds of injuries and deaths (5000 cases, 700 of which were deaths). Thousands of cases are still pending and the estimated future liability for the government exceeds $1.7 billion. A portion of the money that parents pay for vaccinations goes to this congressional fund, which basically means that you are paying insurance each time your child is vaccinated.



    In many cases, vaccinations are more serious than the diseases they are meant to protect a person from. The pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine is probably the most dangerous. The chances of suffering a serious adverse reaction to DPT vaccines are 1 in 1750, while the chances of dying from pertussis each year are 1 in several million. A study at UCLA found that 1 in 13 children had persistent high pitched crying after the DPT shot. One in 700 had convulsions or shock, which may cause learning disabilities or brain damage. Vaccinations, in general, have been linked to disorders of the blood, brain, skin, and nervous system. This includes encephalitis (central nervous system disorder, brain damage), paralysis, nerve inflammation, diseases of the lymph glands, skin disorders, allergies, arthritis, cancer.
    National and International studies have shown a link between vaccinations and SIDS (sudden Infant Death Syndrome). One study found that the peak incidence of SIDS occurred at the ages of 2 and 4 months, the time when the first routine vaccinations are given. Another study concluded that ½ of SIDS cases (2500 of 5000) are related to vaccinations. In the mid-70’s, when Japan raised their vaccinations age from 2 months to 2 years, the incidence of SIDS dropped dramatically. The disturbing fact in the United State is that coroners refuse to check the vaccination state of SIDS victims, which makes it difficult to prove many cases.



    Other important truths to consider include the fact that vaccinations actually weaken the immune system rather than strengthen it. They only focus on one aspect of the immune system, which interferes with the body’s ability to initiate a “generalized response”. Only that one particular aspect of the system will function. What this means is that the vaccinations produce immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other diseases and infections. This may explain why the rate of childhood illness has actually increased rather than decreased in this society. Vaccinations also contain additional chemicals such as formaldehyde, mercury (thimerosal), and aluminum phosphate, which are extremely toxic substances that can lead to hazardous effects. Microscopic doses may lead to cancer, neurological damage, and even death. Several of these may accumulate in the body such that the lethality increases as the number of vaccine increase.
    And the story continues. This is only the tip of the iceberg and there is a larger amount of information available for those who wish to learn more (see websites listed below). It is important that parents become educated and knowledgeable about immunizations so that they can make an informed choice rather than be manipulated by the medical establishment.
    It is important that parents become educated and knowledgeable about immunizations so that they can make an informed choice rather than be manipulated by the medical establishment.
    An Islamic Perspective
    From an Islamic perspective there are several issues that need to be considered in relation to this topic. This discussion goes much deeper than the mere physical effects of immunizations. We need to peruse the Creation of Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, and its perfection, the Provisions and Sustenance provided to us by Allah, and Will of Allah as it pertains to our existence. Let us proceed.

    Creation of Allah
    Allah says, “We have indeed created man in the best of moulds.” (95:4). The Arabic word in this verse is taqweem, which can be translated as mold, form, nature, constitution. Although this especially refers to the spiritual nature of man, it can also mean the mental and physical structure. There is no faulty in Allah’s creation. Allah gave man the purest and best nature, and perfection and balance are evident in man’s physical, mental, and spiritual composition.
    Allah, subhanahu wa ta’la, says,


    “O mankind! What has made you careless concerning your Lord, the Most Generous? Who created you, fashioned you, and gave you due proportion; in whatever form He willed, He put you together.” (Qur’an 82:6-8).



    Focusing on the physical aspect, one need only study the systems of the body to comprehend the significance of these verses and the wonder of Allah’s creation. The human body is composed of a number of specialized systems: the digestive system, the respiratory system, the nervous system, the muscular system, the blood circulation system, the skeleton, the skin, the senses, the immune system and so forth. Each one of these system is miraculous in nature and more amazing than any scientific advancement that man can achieve. (Sayyid Qutb, In the Shade of the Qur’an). Why then is man so heedless? Why does he overlook the wonders of his own constitution? Why does he neglect the One who gave him these special gifts? “O mankind! What has made you careless concerning our Lord, the Most Generous?” Why does he think that he can improve the perfect creation of Allah and make it work more effectively?


    Concerning immunizations, this is exactly what humans are attempting to do. The assumption behind them is that the body is not “perfect” enough to withstand infectious diseases; that somehow Allah did not complete his job or carry it out well enough (astaghfir Allah); that the immune system is faulty and needs correction; that a young baby, as little as 1 or 2 months old, is somehow flawed, incomplete, and in need of human intervention to survive. All of these assumptions are erroneous and reflect a skepticism that should not be present in the belief system of a Muslim. This may seem like an intense subject for what would appear to be a straight forward issue, but a deeper level of analysis is required here. One cannot doubt the verses of the Qur’an highlighted above nor expect that he can accomplish more than Allah. As Muslims we should not fall into this kind of trap. We must believe in the perfection of Allah’s creation and understand that immunizations are in no way able to improve upon it. Chances are that they will only disturb the system and introduce an imperfection, (which is already being determined by research).


    Provisions of Allah
    Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, not only created us in the finest form, but He also gave us the tools to maintain this form and to assist in its self-actualization. We are warned that our body and our health are gifts from Allah and that we will be held accountable on the Day of Judgment of them. The Prophet (pbuh) informed us, “Every servant of Allah will remain standing before Allah on the Day of Judgment until he has answered five questions about five things; his life – how he spent it; his knowledge – how much he acted upon it; his wealth – how he acquired it and how he spent it; and his body (and health) – how he used it.” (Muslims). The Prophet (Pbuh) also said, “There are two blessings which many people lose: (They are) health and free time for doing good.” (Bukhari)
    It is incumbent upon a Muslim to take care of his body to the best of his ability and to follow what Allah has ordained in this regard. The provisions of Allah are many. A mother is instructed to nurse her child from the moment of birth. Allah says,


    “Mothers shall nurse their children two complete years for whoever wishes to complete the nursing (period).” (Qur’an 2:233).



    Breast milk has been found to be the most beneficial substance for a baby and contains much more than nutrients. It also provides antibodies, strengthens the immune system, and protects the child from many diseases. This is a wondrous gift that gives an already healthy baby an even healthier start in life.


    Muslims are instructed to eat from the good and lawful food of the earth.
    “They ask you what is lawful to them (as food): say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure.” (Qur’an 5:4)

    “O you people! Eat of what is on earth lawful and good; and do not follow the footsteps of the evil one for he is to you an avowed enemy.” (Qur’an 2:168).



    We now know the benefits of eating healthy and pure food and avoiding all that is harmful to our bodies. The use of honey, black seed, dates, olive oil, etc. are encouraged to prevent illness and as cures when the need arises. The type of food that we eat can affect all of our bodily systems, oftentimes in very insidious ways.
    Other provisions that Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, has given us include the command to avoid alcohol and all types of drugs, which can lead to serious consequences (health-related and others). Adultery and fornication are forbidden, which can cause various types of sexually transmitted diseases. Pork and pork products, which may lead to various illnesses, are also not allowed. And so on…..



    What this means in relation to immunizations is that they are really unnecessary. For one who follows the commands of Allah, the chances of having long-term health will be increased. Even if a disease is contracted, the person with a strong immune system will likely be able to combat it. This in turn, will strengthen the immune system more and give life-long immunity to that particular disease. As mentioned earlier, immunizations actually have weaken the immune system and led to all types of problems in children. Their use has even upset the epidemiology of illnesses, causing them to appear more often in adulthood when the effects are usually much more serious. It is evident from all of this that manipulation and altering Allah’s creation only leads to detrimental outcomes.



    Will of Allah

    We often forget that what happens in our lives comes from the Will and Power of Allah. Nothing occurs except what has been decreed by Allah. Although we do have some limited control over events, the ultimate control is with Us are its depositories, and We do not send it down except according to a known (specified) measure.” (15:21).


    “Say you (o Muhammad): ‘Indeed the affairs belong wholly to Allah.’ (Qur’an 3:154)
    If a child is to experience an illness, this is from the decree of Allah; and if he is to be cured from it, this is also from the decree of Allah. To rely upon humans to somehow prevent or cure the child without also trusting in Allah, is a sign of weakness in faith. Whatever good or bad happens to us we should say “Alhumdulillah” because it is from Allah and He has decreed it for some reason (either as a test or as punishment). Allah says,
    “No calamity befalls, but with the leave (decision and Qadar) of Allah, and whosoever believes in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah is the all Knower of everything.” (Qur’an 64:11).


    We should rely upon Allah and ask Him to assist us in our times of need. The use of ruqya (supplication to Allah) is much more powerful than any medicine that is available because Allah is the only One Who can send the cure.



    Conclusion

    Although Islam is not contrary to medical and technological “Development”, it is important to understand that these are not always in our best interests. Many of these “advancements” have actually led to serious, detrimental outcomes. Television, for example, has been lauded as one of the major inventions of this century, but at the same time it has lead to the numbing of children’s minds, a decline in communication within families, and misguidance for many. Immunizations are touted as a miraculous form of illness prevention, when in fact they are nothing more than a moneymaking scheme for doctors and pharmaceutical companies. They have, in actuality, caused more hams than benefits and have disrupted the natural order of Allah’s Creation.
    Before you take your child for; his or her next round of immunizations consider this important information and research the topic further. It is in the best interests of your child to do so. Look to Allah’s guidance (the Qur’an and Sunnah) for assistance in all matters, including physical health. If we follow Allah’s plan in creation and submit to His commands, there should be no need for artificial interventions. Allah, subhanahu wa ta’ala, ha provided us with bounties beyond our imagination and they are readily and naturally available to us. We only need to make use of them.
    The Shocking Facts:
    By the time a child enters first grade, he or she will have received as many as 10 different vaccines for a total of 19 shots. 98% of children living in the United State receive the recommended shots

    • The numbers of vaccines has doubled in the last decade
    • New vaccines are coming out on a more regular basis
    • The United Nations has committed $150 million to develop a “Super Vaccine” to provide immunity against 30 childhood diseases in a single shot.

    In 1950, before mass immunizations began, the United States had the third lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1995, it dropped to 23rd place and is world renowned for its appalling infant mortality rate.
    Vaccination Websites:
    Think twice Global Vaccine Institute.
    www.thinktwice.com
    (Contains a link for the New Atlantean Press which publishes and sells book on vaccinations).
    www.unc.edu/-aphillip/www/chf/index.htm
    Dispelling Vaccination Myths

    www.unc.edu/-aphillip/www/vaccine/dvm1.htm
    Vaccine and Immunization Information Links.
    www.unc.edu/aphillip/www/vaccine/vacpages.htm
    National Vaccine Information Center
    www.909shot.com
    Global Vaccine Awareness League
    www.gval.com
    Vaccines: The Truth Revealed
    www.odomnet.com/vaccines/intro-duc.htm

    http://www.missionislam.com/health/i...nhurtornot.htm

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

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    Here's something on artificial food dyes (found in some vaccines):

    (www)(dot)journal.com.ph/index.php/lifestyle/health-a-wellness/22249-dangers-of-eating-food-dyes

    Again, why would you want to inject/ingest these known carcinogens/poisons into yourself or your loved ones? And why is an artificial dye even necessary for a vaccine? Who cares if it's "pretty" or not? Lolz!
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    The Hippocratic Oath:

    nktiuro.tripod.com/hippocra.htm

    "I SWEAR in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my teachers and my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will keep this Oath and Stipulation.

    TO RECKON all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents and in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment of others is not compromised thereby, and I will seek the counsel of particularly skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.
    I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.

    WITH PURITY, HOLINESS AND BENEFICENCE I will pass my life and practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof, understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and further from the seduction of any patient.
    WHATEVER IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not in connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.
    WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse by my lot."
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    Posted by Scimi:
    Let's take a peek at the common 'INGREDIENTS' of vaccines and see whether they whet your appetite:

    ammonium sulfate
    amphotecirin B
    animal tissues (eg: monkey kidney, chick embryo, eggs)
    calf (bovine serum)
    fetal bovine serum
    formaldehyde
    gelatin
    glycerol
    human diploid cells (from aborted human fetal tissue)
    monosodium glutamate (MSG)
    phenoxethanol (antifreeze)
    VERO cells (continous lines of monkey kidney cells)
    thimerosal (mercury)
    porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolsate of casein
    washed sheep red blood cells
    ^


    To those who are pro vaccine: What you're saying is akin to telling parents whose children have been harmed by vaccines that they are brainless individuals who can't tell the difference between when their child was well to when he/she became ill after receiving the shots. Allah has given parents a natural instinct to protect their offspring from harm and to know when something is not right, even before any doctor confirms it. Science can't even begin to touch on this God given ability, and anthropologists claim that humans have no instincts. Subhan Allah. My message to the skeptics is to close your eyes to big pharma's deception if you will, but please don't insult those whose lives have been damaged by harmful immunizations.

    Everybody else, thank you so much for your amazing contribution and efforts in bringing tons of evidence to prove the harm of vaccines - most of which I'd never encountered before. The good news is that a growing number of doctors have started speaking about the dangers of vaccines.





    Gardasil (HPV Vaccine): Fraud in Plain Sight – Dr. Whitaker MD

    Posted on March 23, 2012 by The Refusers
    By Dr. JULIAN WHITAKER, MD

    Of all the dangerous nonsense perpetuated by Big Pharma and its savage attack dogs in federal and state government, the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine is surely the most fraudulent and wasteful.

    I’ve spoken out against this debacle since Gardasil, Merck’s HPV vaccine, was approved back in 2006. Now it’s in the news again, ever since Michele Bachmann dusted up Texas governor Rick Perry during a presidential candidate debate for issuing an executive order to require vaccination of all 11- and 12-year-old girls in Texas. (This was later revoked by the Texas state legislature.) Mike Toomey, Perry’s former chief of staff, was a lobbyist
    for Merck at that time. If that isn’t quid pro quo, I don’t know what is. Nevertheless, all females as young as age 9 through age 26 are being urged to get this vaccine—with or without parental consent or knowledge in some states. They’re even recommending it for preadolescent boys and young men! The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and the most repugnant odors are the clear lack of scientific validity, astronomical costs, and, most of all, the horrific harm inflicted on our children.



    Lack of Scientific Validation
    The purpose of Gardasil and Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline’s HPV vaccine), according to the fuzzy logic of Big Pharma, is to prevent cervical cancer. Regardless of what the drug companies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), or your child’s physician says, not only is there no firm scientific data to support that widespread contention, but the whole concept is irrational. The vaccine has been shown to prevent precancerous changes of the cervix, but to assume that these changes will progress to cancer is dishonest and manipulative. Ninety percent of HPV infections clear up spontaneously.


    USPSTF Agrees
    Recognizing this, in October the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) issued new guidelines recommending that women be tested for cervical cancer with Pap tests (not HPV tests) every three years rather than annually because more frequent testing leads to overtreatment of low-grade changes that would in all likelihood not turn out to be cancerous.
    The Task Force further bolstered the stupidity of vaccinating young girls when they changed the screening guidelines to include only women ages 21 through 65, noting that cervical cancer is exceptionally rare in women under age 21. In any case, cervical cancer is very slow growing, so we won’t know whether mass vaccination reduces death rates for 20–30 years! It’s all presumption, a huge lottery in which there may well be no winners—other than the drug companies.



    Skewed Statistics
    Even more ****ing are the infection statistics. The vaccine camp underscores the need for mass inoculation by trotting out government statistics showing that more than a quarter of American females ages 14–59 and nearly 45 percent of those ages 20–24 have been infected with HPV.
    However, they fail to mention that there are 40 sexually transmitted HPV strains, and those targeted by Gardasil (types 6, 11, 16, and 18) and Cervarix (types 16 and 18) are rare. HPV types 6 and 11, which can cause genital warts, were detected in 1.3 and 0.1 percent of women, respectively, and types 16 and 18, which are linked with some cases of cervical cancer, were present in only 1.5 and 0.8 percent! Bottom line: very, very few women who have HPV are infected with high-risk strains, and far fewer get cervical cancer. Every year in the United States, about 12,000 women are diagnosed with this cancer, and 4,000 die of it. Of course, any premature death is a tragedy, but we cannot lose sight of the fact that, according to the latest statistics from the National Cancer Institute, only 0.68 percent of women will ever be diagnosed with, let alone die of, cervical cancer.



    Number Needed to Treat
    To further underscore the absurdity of universal HPV vaccination, let’s look at the concept of “number needed to treat,” or NNT, an extremely useful statistic for evaluating any medical treatment. Simply stated, NNT tells us how many people need to be treated with a given therapy to get the desired benefit in one patient. The lower the NNT, the more effective and predictable the treatment. For example, peptic ulcers are primarily caused by Helicobacter pylori bacteria, and antibiotics that eradicate it are an extremely effective therapy. For every 11 patients with H. pylori who are treated with antibiotics, 10 are cured of their peptic ulcer. Therefore, the NNT is 1.1 (11 divided by 10). Another example is statin drugs, which are prescribed to millions of people to lower cholesterol. According to a recent study, in order for statin drugs to prevent one heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular death (the desired outcome of cholesterol-lowering), they would have to be taken by 1,000 patients, making statins’ NNT 1,000 (1,000 divided by 1). The other 999 people per 1,000 who take these drugs and are subjected to their adverse effects get no benefit at all.



    Unacceptable, Sky-High NNT
    So what is the NNT of the HPV vaccine in terms of preventing cervical cancer deaths? Even if it completely wiped out cervical cancer—which no one expects it to do—thousands would have to be vaccinated in order to prevent one death. The others would obtain no benefits, yet would be needlessly exposed to the inherent risks of this vaccine. Most statisticians agree that an NNT over 40 is no more than a crap shoot. An NNT in the thousands is an unmitigated fraud, and there’s no evidence that the vaccine will save even one life!
    We already have a system in place for preventing cervical cancer that works very well: regular Pap tests (every three years for women ages 21–65). Even the most vocal vaccine proponents admit the vaccine doesn’t eliminate the need for Pap testing—or that most cervical cancer deaths occur in women who haven’t been screened in the past five years. This system has reduced the incidence of cervical cancer from 15 in 100,000 women in 1975 to 6.6 per 100,000 in 2008. Why fix something that isn’t broken? The answer is obvious: Follow the money.


    Astronomical Costs
    In the United States, there are roughly 30 million females between the ages of 9 and 26 who are “eligible” for HPV vaccination, which requires three doses spread out over six months at a retail price of $130 each ($390 total). That’s nearly $12 billion right into the pockets of Big Pharma.
    Now, let’s add in physicians’ fees and average the cost for the three-dose course at $500. (Some doctors will charge more, some less.) So $500 x 30 million patients = $15 billion. Imagine spending $15 billion on a vaccination program with no hard evidence that any lives will be saved! Let’s take it a step further and assume this lavish blanket of presumed protection actually works and cervical cancer is eliminated. (Nevermind that a miniscule percentage of HPV-infected women ever develop cervical cancer, that 30 percent of women with cervical cancer have not been infected with HPV, and that we won’t even know if the darned thing works for decades.) Guess how much it would cost per life saved in this best-case scenario? $7.5 million! If we took that $15 billion and put it towards food subsidies and other proven health interventions, we could save tens of millions of lives. But, incredibly, the powers that be prefer to waste it on a fraudulent vaccination program that funnels the money into the coffers of Big Pharma!


    Now They’re Going After Boys
    As if 30 million girls and young women weren’t enough, Merck tried to get Gardasil approved for women up to age 45, but even the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recognized this absurdity for what it was. However, Big Pharma also has males in their sights, arguing that they too must be vaccinated to prevent the spread of HPV to their sexual partners.
    If vaccinating females makes no sense, going after males is a crime against humanity. HPV is almost always an inconsequential infection in males, so the NNT for them is infinity! No male gets any benefit at all. Unfortunately, they are not immune to the adverse effects of the vaccine. In fact, they are likely at greater risk of damage—at least that’s what we’ve learned from the standard childhood vaccinations, which negatively affect two to three times more boys than girls. As for costs, don’t get me started. We would spend another $15 billion vaccinating all males in the target age range—with zero benefits to them and absolutely no assurance or evidence that this “experiment” would ultimately reduce the rate of cervical cancer in women. There’s only one given: Any amount of money spent on such an ill-advised campaign would be 100 percent waste to the public, yet hugely profitable for Big Pharma.


    Horrific Damage to “Gardasil Girls”
    I predict that the entire HPV vaccine folly will not only be a colossal failure in terms of health benefits, but it will also leave an expanding wake of “Gardasil girls” suffering with seizures, strokes, chronic headaches, and worse. One of these girls is Zeda Pingel, whose mother Amy Pingel chronicles her daughter’s destruction in the excellent, must-read book Vaccine Epidemic: How Corporate Greed, Biased Science, and Coercive Government
    Threaten Our Human Rights, Our Health, and Our Children.
    In 2008, 13-year-old Zeda was a happy, healthy straight-A student and cheerleader with a bright future when, during a routine well-child checkup, her pediatrician suggested she have the Gardasil vaccine. Although neither Amy nor Zeda knew much about it, they went along with the doctor’s recommendation. The problems started a week later, and within three weeks, Amy reports, “I began to lose my precious daughter. Zeda stopped talking, stopped eating, stopped walking, and…lost control of her bladder.”



    Doctors in Denial
    Despite spending months in a top-notch children’s hospital specializing in neurological problems and undergoing hundreds of tests, Zeda’s doctors couldn’t find a single explanation for her rapid deterioration. Given that it started after Zeda was vaccinated, Amy thought it could be related to Gardasil, yet every time she brought it up, the medical team aggressively denied that it could have been involved.

    Their denial borders on the diabolical. For weeks, the doctors and nurses accused Zeda of faking her symptoms, even though she was having frequent grand mal seizures. Even worse, they suspected her mother was coaching her to keep up the pretense and went so far as to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in hopes of “proving” that the mother and daughter were involved in a hoax. Today, Zeda is fed through a gastric tube, breathes through a tracheotomy, and lives in a vegetative state in the living room of her mother’s home. Her tragedy is not an isolated incident. Tens of thousands of adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine have been documented—including over 100 deaths.


    Bypassing Parental Consent
    One of the most disgusting aspects of this entire charade is the lengths to which they’re going in order to force this vaccination program down our throats. Several state governments have enacted laws that require schools to hand out information on the vaccine to sixth graders and their parents and insurance companies to provide reimbursement.
    For example, the state of New Jersey delivered HPV vaccine propaganda to parents via their children’s backpacks. And, here in California, Governor Jerry Brown recently signed legislation that enables children as young as 12 to be vaccinated against HPV and hepatitis B without a parent’sknowledge or consent. Imagine, parents have to sign waivers for their children to go on a school picnic, but 12-year-olds, without parental knowledge or consent, can have toxic substances injected into their growing bodies. This combination of Big Pharma plus government is, in a single word, evil. There is no other way to describe it.


    Parents, It’s Up to You
    Unfortunately, you can’t count on your doctor to help you make educated decisions on the HPV vaccine. Virtually all pediatricians follow the dictates of the American Academy of Pediatrics, CDC, and other handmaidens of Big Pharma and vigorously support every vaccination program that comes down the pike. Their refusal to rock the boat by acknowledging the growing body of evidence about the dark side of vaccines is safe for the doctor but terribly dangerous for your child. (Just imagine what it would be like if you were Zeda’s mother, Amy Pingel.)
    Parents, it’s up to you to protect your children. Keep the lines of communication open and make sure your kids understand the extreme risks and no proven benefits of the HPV vaccine. As Amy Pingel says, “…people who pressure you to vaccinate don’t own the consequences. Only you, as parents, do.”

    In Summary
    Folks, it’s going to get worse before it gets better. In addition to blowing the cervical cancer angle way out of proportion, vaccine proponents are now fabricating additional “benefits” in order to sell their wares. When a recent small study demonstrated a potential, preliminary link between HPV infection and risk of heart attack and stroke, headlines across the country screamed that the vaccine protects against cardiovascular disease! Now, that’s a stretch if there ever was one.
    It may take many years and, unfortunately, countless injuries and untold numbers of deaths, but we’re not as naïve or stupid as Big Pharma takes us to be. Mark my words. The public will eventually wake up and see the HPV vaccine for what it is—a dangerous, money-grabbing, scientifically invalid fraud.


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    Dunne EF, et al. Prevalence of HPV infection among females in the
    United States. JAMA. 2007 Feb 28;297(8):813–819.
    Gostin LO. Mandatory HPV vaccination and political debate. JAMA.
    2011 Oct 19;306(15):1699–1700. Epub 2011 Oct 6.
    Habakus LK, and Holland M. Vaccine Epidemic. Skyhorse Publishing.
    New York, NY. 2011.
    Kuo HK, Fujise K. Human papillomavirus and cardiovascular
    disease among U.S. women in the National Health and Nutrition
    Examination Survey, 2003 to 2006. Am Coll Cardiol. 2011 Nov 1;58
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    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...et/prevention/
    HPV-vaccine.



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    27 Dirty Little Vaccine Secrets Every Parent Needs to Know About

    1. Whether Gardasil prevents cancer

    Gardasil is promoted as a vaccine which prevents cancer. Here is what immunologist Charlotte Haug M.D. Ph.D writes in her article in New Scientist (1)

    Despite claims that the vaccine will cut cancer deaths by two-thirds or more, its overall effectiveness in the prevention of cervical cancer remains unknown and will not be known for decades.”

    2. Necessity for boosters
    Information regarding the possible necessity and intervals for booster doses is unknown.




    3. Whether Gardasil increases the risk of cancer.
    The vaccine has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity(2). Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
    There may be increased risk of cancer due to replacement of some virus strains with new strains which may be more carcinogenic.
    “If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes” (3)
    Rosemary Mathis, director of SaneVax asks:” Gardasil and Cervarix: Are strains targeted by the vaccines replaced by other HPV viruses?”(4)



    4. Whether there is increased risk of cancer due to the unexpected discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA
    Dr. Sin Hang Lee, a pathologist at the Milford Hospital pathology laboratory was contracted by SaneVax to examine Gardasil for possible contamination. The samples tested positive for recombinant viral HPV-11 and viral HPV-18 residues, both of which were firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant (5)
    It is unknown whether the recombinant (genetically engineered) HPV DNA is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating cancer (5)

    5. Whether there is increased risk of autoimmune disorders due to the recombinant HPV DNA
    It is unknown whether the genetically engineered HPV DNA, or adventitious DNA, is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating a host of autoimmune disorders (5)

    6. If HPV is necessarily an infection transmitted by sexual intercourse
    Merck states that HPV is sexually transmitted. However, they surely are aware that HPV infection has been found in placentas, umbilical cord blood and in infants, so it is not necessarily an infection which is transmitted by sexual intercourse (6)
    A May 2006 FDA VRBPAC document stated girls previously exposed to vaccine-relevant human papillomavirus and get inoculated with Gardasil have a 44.6% increase in getting cervical cancer in their life time” (31)
    Dr.Jim Howenstine, M.D:“HPV vaccine increases the risk of developing a precancerous cervical lesion by 44.6% in women .previously infected with a HPV viral type found in the vaccine”(7)
    An unknown but extremely large number of girls across the world who are already exposed to HPV are being pressured into taking the vaccine with the consequential risk of cervical cancer being increased by 44.6% (32).. Not only is this unethical and cynical, it is downright criminal.

    7. Whether Gardasil causes genotoxicity
    According to product information this has not been evaluated (2)



    8. Whether the vaccine targets the relevant virus strains in different demographicsA May 2008 study on high-risk and multiple human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in cancer-free Jamaican women presented at the Second Annual International African-Caribbean Cancer Consortium Conference cited:
    “The most important finding was that unlike the genotype distribution patterns seen in North America, Europe and some parts of Asia, HPV types 16 and 18 were not the most common high-risk genotype”(8) “Why is Gardasil marketed globally through the Gardasil Access Program when HPV 16 & 18 may not even be prevalent amongst the targeted populations?”
    “HPV genotype distribution in this group of Jamaican women differs from the patterns found in Europe, North America and some parts of Asia. It may be necessary therefore to consider development of other vaccines which target genotypes found in our and similar populations. HPV genotyping as well as Pap smears should be considered”(28)



    9. Whether the strains change in the course of time
    Rosemary Mathis, SaneVax, writes “A graph clearly shows that HPV 16 & 18 are not even prevalent in Colombian women until their mid-20s – long after vaccine efficacy has worn off if a girl is administered Gardasil or Cervarix in her adolescent years”(8)



    10. Adverse events due to concomitant administration with other vaccines
    There are very few studies regarding relevant concomitant administration (2)



    11. The true numbers and extent of serious adverse events
    National Vaccine Information Center: “It is estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all adverse health outcomes which occur following vaccination are reported to VAERS” (9)(26)(32)
    Dr. Russell Blaylock also discussed the low rate of reports of vaccine problems, being somewhere in the range of 2%, due to the passive and voluntary nature of the system. According to Blaylock’s estimate, it is likely that there are more than 600 deaths and over 100,000 serious adverse events from this vaccine (10)
    SaneVax regularly publishes updates from VAERS reports regarding adverse events and deaths (11)
    A fact of which Merck is well aware:
    Merck has not disclosed to the public that during the trials 73.3% of the participants who received Gardasil acquired a new medical condition”(32)

    12. Long term serious side effects
    Jagannath Chatterjee:“Vaccine long term effects may span the lifetime particularly as the inflammatory process set in motion does not stop. Many of the vaccine ingredients lodge themselves permanently in the tissues, fat cells and the brain and continue to inflict a steady and progressive damage permanently. Attenuated live viruses introduced by vaccines may stay dormant for long periods, often mutate, and can become virulent when the immune system becomes weak due to any reason. As vaccines adversely affect the immune system viruses and bacteria present in humans that were not virulent earlier are today causing diseases”.

    13. What the results would be if a true placebo had been used in all the clinical trials
    The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial” (12)(29)


    14. What the results of clinical trials would be if Merck had not used their own exclusion criteria
    The vaccine has been tested on handpicked groups (2, 13). These are not representative of the groups who have been, or will be vaccinated. Exclusion criteria:
    1) Allergies to any component of the vaccine
    2) History of a severe allergic reaction
    3) Known history of any allergies to food or medicine
    4) Immunocompromised, Immunodeficient or has an autoimmune condition
    5) History of any condition, therapy, lab abnormality or other circumstance such that it is not in the best interest of the participant to participate
    6) Clinically significant disease or clinically significant findings during the screening medical history or physical examination that, in the investigator’s opinion, would compromise the outcome of this study.
    7) Have a weakened immune system or other immune problems
    ”If these “exclusion criteria” were known by, and applied to families in the United States of America, prior to the vaccination of their child, virtually none of the 22,000 girls and boys listed by the CDC’s VAERS reporting system as being injured by the Gardasil HPV vaccine, would have been allowed to be vaccinated, and 100 deceased HPV vaccinated children, would still be alive today”(13)
    Summary: With the way the clinical trials are conducted as to which people they allow to participate the average population that the HPV vaccines are being administered to are omitted. Consequently, because of this practice it is now unknown how many have the potential to be at risk of having an adverse event.
    15. Whether there is increased risk of blood clots when Gardasil is combined with hormonal contraceptive pills
    Studies regarding the combination of Gardasil and contraceptive pills have focused on potential impairment of immune response (2), but not on the issue of increased risk of blood clots.
    CDC states: “There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors” (14)
    The reported cases of blood clots after Gardasil in VAERS may be blamed on other factors when the actual cause may in fact be due to the vaccine.
    16. Whether thereis an increased risk of brain damage
    The ingredient polysorbate renders the blood-brain barrier more porous and possibly facilitates passage of neurotoxic aluminium, sodium borate and other toxic substances through the blood-brain barrier into the brain tissue (15)

    Many girls who suffer from injuries after Gardasil exhibit symptoms of brain damage (16)
    There have been few if any autopsies which include thorough investigation of brain tissue of girls who have died after Gardasil.

    17. Consequences of “bridging”, the extrapolation of study results from one group to another
    In her article in the American Chronicle Christina England writes: “Gardasil has never been tested in young girls under fifteen years old, says whistleblower Diane Harper” (17). The vaccine has been advised for different age groups, also for boys, although it is not known whether similar results may be extrapolated to the different groups.
    There is generally a lack of knowledge regarding the effects of vaccines in connection with hormonal changes in the body (for example puberty, menstrual cycles, pregnancy and menopause).



    18. Consequences if the vaccine is not thoroughly shaken
    Instructions for administration include thorough agitation (2) No studies can be found regarding the consequences if this instruction is not followed although this is a realistic situation in practice.



    19. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of infertility due to polysorbate.
    Polysorbate has been shown to cause infertility in lab rats (18),(19)



    20. Whether polysorbate is carcinogenic
    Jeffrey J. Aufderheide in his article “Vaccine Ingredients: Non-Ionic Surfactants” asks: Could Tween 80 (polysorbate 80), being a carcinogen or co-carcinogen, also be one of the reasons vaccines are not tested for causing cancer?” (20)

    21. Health consequences due to the presence of polysorbate and l-histidine
    Cynthia A. Janak has written about this in her article “Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a Marriage of Disaster” (21)



    22. Whether aluminium adjuvant is safe
    In her article “Aluminium in Vaccines. Where are the safety studies?” (22) Catherine Frompevich writes:
    Since the 1930s vaccine makers have been using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines. However, from what I’ve been able to gather over years of researching vaccines and vaccinations, there doesn’t seem to be studies determining aluminum safety issues”.
    “- although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials”(30)
    In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences”.
    Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminium adjuvants,medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor” (23)(31)

    23. Consequences due to the presence sodium borate (borax)
    Sodium borate is used as a food additive in some countries, but it is now banned in many places. For example, one Australian government recall site notes: “Product is Borax (sodium borate) which is a non permitted food additive and is harmful to health. So, if it’s harmful to health, why is it being added to the HPV vaccine?”(24)

    24. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of miscarriages, stillbirths or babies born with anomalies
    “There are however no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women”(2)

    Gardasil has been included in the childrens’ vaccination program in Norway for 12 year old girls.
    Norway has been chosen for studies because there are several well organised obligatory population registers including ones for birth, cancer and other illnesses and death. A research contract has been negotiated between FDA, Merck and the Norwegian Government (25)
    The contract includes this statement from FDA to Merck: “You have committed to conduct a study in collaboration with the Norwegian Government, if GARDASIL ® is approved in the European Union and the Government of Norway incorporates HPV vaccination into its national guidelines, to assess the impact of HPV vaccination on the following in Norway:
    e) The interaction between administration of GARDASIL ® and pregnancy outcomes, especially congenital anomalies, by linking the vaccination registry with the Medical Birth Registry.”


    25. Whether Gardasil is excreted in human milk
    According to product information studies have not been carried out. (2)



    26. The complete list of ingredients
    Unbelievable though it may seem, Merck does not know the complete composition of Gardasil.
    Unexpected vaccine ingredients have been revealed from time to time. Investigations may be carried out by independent research workers as there is no incentive for manufacturers to search for substances in their products which might be detrimental to health.
    Discoveries have been made long after vaccines have been marketed. These include the SV40 (suspected of causing cancer) in polio vaccines, pig DNA in retrovirus vaccines, cytomegaloviruses and the recent discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA in Gardasil, the consequences of which are unknown and may be horrific.
    SaneVax: ”If Merck and Co., Inc. and the FDA knew small quantities of residual recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments remain in Gardasil, why do marketing and information packets from around the world specifically state the vaccine contains ‘no viral DNA?”

    It is reasonable to assume that the vaccine would not have gained approval had the manufacturers informed the authorities of the presence of the aluminum bound gene manipulated DNA due to potential health risks (27)

    27. Whether possible benefits outweigh the risks
    When Merck and other promoters know so little about the vaccine it is impossible for the risks to be weighed against possible benefits. Consequently, there are no grounds whatsoever on which safety may be evaluated.


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    27 Dirty Little Vaccine Secrets Every Parent Needs to Know About


    1. Whether Gardasil prevents cancer

    Gardasil is promoted as a vaccine which prevents cancer. Here is what immunologist Charlotte Haug M.D. Ph.D writes in her article in New Scientist (1)

    Despite claims that the vaccine will cut cancer deaths by two-thirds or more, its overall effectiveness in the prevention of cervical cancer remains unknown and will not be known for decades.”

    2. Necessity for boosters
    Information regarding the possible necessity and intervals for booster doses is unknown.




    3. Whether Gardasil increases the risk of cancer.
    The vaccine has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity(2). Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
    There may be increased risk of cancer due to replacement of some virus strains with new strains which may be more carcinogenic.
    “If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes” (3)
    Rosemary Mathis, director of SaneVax asks:” Gardasil and Cervarix: Are strains targeted by the vaccines replaced by other HPV viruses?”(4)



    4. Whether there is increased risk of cancer due to the unexpected discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA
    Dr. Sin Hang Lee, a pathologist at the Milford Hospital pathology laboratory was contracted by SaneVax to examine Gardasil for possible contamination. The samples tested positive for recombinant viral HPV-11 and viral HPV-18 residues, both of which were firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant (5)
    It is unknown whether the recombinant (genetically engineered) HPV DNA is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating cancer (5)

    5. Whether there is increased risk of autoimmune disorders due to the recombinant HPV DNA
    It is unknown whether the genetically engineered HPV DNA, or adventitious DNA, is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating a host of autoimmune disorders (5)

    6. If HPV is necessarily an infection transmitted by sexual intercourse
    Merck states that HPV is sexually transmitted. However, they surely are aware that HPV infection has been found in placentas, umbilical cord blood and in infants, so it is not necessarily an infection which is transmitted by sexual intercourse (6)
    A May 2006 FDA VRBPAC document stated girls previously exposed to vaccine-relevant human papillomavirus and get inoculated with Gardasil have a 44.6% increase in getting cervical cancer in their life time” (31)
    Dr.Jim Howenstine, M.D:“HPV vaccine increases the risk of developing a precancerous cervical lesion by 44.6% in women .previously infected with a HPV viral type found in the vaccine”(7)
    An unknown but extremely large number of girls across the world who are already exposed to HPV are being pressured into taking the vaccine with the consequential risk of cervical cancer being increased by 44.6% (32).. Not only is this unethical and cynical, it is downright criminal.

    7. Whether Gardasil causes genotoxicity
    According to product information this has not been evaluated (2)



    8. Whether the vaccine targets the relevant virus strains in different demographicsA May 2008 study on high-risk and multiple human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in cancer-free Jamaican women presented at the Second Annual International African-Caribbean Cancer Consortium Conference cited:
    “The most important finding was that unlike the genotype distribution patterns seen in North America, Europe and some parts of Asia, HPV types 16 and 18 were not the most common high-risk genotype”(8) “Why is Gardasil marketed globally through the Gardasil Access Program when HPV 16 & 18 may not even be prevalent amongst the targeted populations?”
    “HPV genotype distribution in this group of Jamaican women differs from the patterns found in Europe, North America and some parts of Asia. It may be necessary therefore to consider development of other vaccines which target genotypes found in our and similar populations. HPV genotyping as well as Pap smears should be considered”(28)



    9. Whether the strains change in the course of time
    Rosemary Mathis, SaneVax, writes “A graph clearly shows that HPV 16 & 18 are not even prevalent in Colombian women until their mid-20s – long after vaccine efficacy has worn off if a girl is administered Gardasil or Cervarix in her adolescent years”(8)



    10. Adverse events due to concomitant administration with other vaccines
    There are very few studies regarding relevant concomitant administration (2)



    11. The true numbers and extent of serious adverse events
    National Vaccine Information Center: “It is estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all adverse health outcomes which occur following vaccination are reported to VAERS” (9)(26)(32)
    Dr. Russell Blaylock also discussed the low rate of reports of vaccine problems, being somewhere in the range of 2%, due to the passive and voluntary nature of the system. According to Blaylock’s estimate, it is likely that there are more than 600 deaths and over 100,000 serious adverse events from this vaccine (10)
    SaneVax regularly publishes updates from VAERS reports regarding adverse events and deaths (11)
    A fact of which Merck is well aware:
    Merck has not disclosed to the public that during the trials 73.3% of the participants who received Gardasil acquired a new medical condition”(32)

    12. Long term serious side effects
    Jagannath Chatterjee:“Vaccine long term effects may span the lifetime particularly as the inflammatory process set in motion does not stop. Many of the vaccine ingredients lodge themselves permanently in the tissues, fat cells and the brain and continue to inflict a steady and progressive damage permanently. Attenuated live viruses introduced by vaccines may stay dormant for long periods, often mutate, and can become virulent when the immune system becomes weak due to any reason. As vaccines adversely affect the immune system viruses and bacteria present in humans that were not virulent earlier are today causing diseases”.

    13. What the results would be if a true placebo had been used in all the clinical trials
    The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial” (12)(29)


    14. What the results of clinical trials would be if Merck had not used their own exclusion criteria
    The vaccine has been tested on handpicked groups (2, 13). These are not representative of the groups who have been, or will be vaccinated. Exclusion criteria:
    1) Allergies to any component of the vaccine
    2) History of a severe allergic reaction
    3) Known history of any allergies to food or medicine
    4) Immunocompromised, Immunodeficient or has an autoimmune condition
    5) History of any condition, therapy, lab abnormality or other circumstance such that it is not in the best interest of the participant to participate
    6) Clinically significant disease or clinically significant findings during the screening medical history or physical examination that, in the investigator’s opinion, would compromise the outcome of this study.
    7) Have a weakened immune system or other immune problems
    ”If these “exclusion criteria” were known by, and applied to families in the United States of America, prior to the vaccination of their child, virtually none of the 22,000 girls and boys listed by the CDC’s VAERS reporting system as being injured by the Gardasil HPV vaccine, would have been allowed to be vaccinated, and 100 deceased HPV vaccinated children, would still be alive today”(13)
    Summary: With the way the clinical trials are conducted as to which people they allow to participate the average population that the HPV vaccines are being administered to are omitted. Consequently, because of this practice it is now unknown how many have the potential to be at risk of having an adverse event.
    15. Whether there is increased risk of blood clots when Gardasil is combined with hormonal contraceptive pills
    Studies regarding the combination of Gardasil and contraceptive pills have focused on potential impairment of immune response (2), but not on the issue of increased risk of blood clots.
    CDC states: “There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors” (14)
    The reported cases of blood clots after Gardasil in VAERS may be blamed on other factors when the actual cause may in fact be due to the vaccine.
    16. Whether thereis an increased risk of brain damage
    The ingredient polysorbate renders the blood-brain barrier more porous and possibly facilitates passage of neurotoxic aluminium, sodium borate and other toxic substances through the blood-brain barrier into the brain tissue (15)

    Many girls who suffer from injuries after Gardasil exhibit symptoms of brain damage (16)
    There have been few if any autopsies which include thorough investigation of brain tissue of girls who have died after Gardasil.

    17. Consequences of “bridging”, the extrapolation of study results from one group to another
    In her article in the American Chronicle Christina England writes: “Gardasil has never been tested in young girls under fifteen years old, says whistleblower Diane Harper” (17). The vaccine has been advised for different age groups, also for boys, although it is not known whether similar results may be extrapolated to the different groups.
    There is generally a lack of knowledge regarding the effects of vaccines in connection with hormonal changes in the body (for example puberty, menstrual cycles, pregnancy and menopause).



    18. Consequences if the vaccine is not thoroughly shaken
    Instructions for administration include thorough agitation (2) No studies can be found regarding the consequences if this instruction is not followed although this is a realistic situation in practice.



    19. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of infertility due to polysorbate.
    Polysorbate has been shown to cause infertility in lab rats (18),(19)



    20. Whether polysorbate is carcinogenic
    Jeffrey J. Aufderheide in his article “Vaccine Ingredients: Non-Ionic Surfactants” asks: Could Tween 80 (polysorbate 80), being a carcinogen or co-carcinogen, also be one of the reasons vaccines are not tested for causing cancer?” (20)

    21. Health consequences due to the presence of polysorbate and l-histidine
    Cynthia A. Janak has written about this in her article “Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a Marriage of Disaster” (21)



    22. Whether aluminium adjuvant is safe
    In her article “Aluminium in Vaccines. Where are the safety studies?” (22) Catherine Frompevich writes:
    Since the 1930s vaccine makers have been using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines. However, from what I’ve been able to gather over years of researching vaccines and vaccinations, there doesn’t seem to be studies determining aluminum safety issues”.
    “- although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials”(30)
    In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences”.
    Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminium adjuvants,medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor” (23)(31)

    23. Consequences due to the presence sodium borate (borax)
    Sodium borate is used as a food additive in some countries, but it is now banned in many places. For example, one Australian government recall site notes: “Product is Borax (sodium borate) which is a non permitted food additive and is harmful to health. So, if it’s harmful to health, why is it being added to the HPV vaccine?”(24)

    24. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of miscarriages, stillbirths or babies born with anomalies
    “There are however no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women”(2)

    Gardasil has been included in the childrens’ vaccination program in Norway for 12 year old girls.
    Norway has been chosen for studies because there are several well organised obligatory population registers including ones for birth, cancer and other illnesses and death. A research contract has been negotiated between FDA, Merck and the Norwegian Government (25)
    The contract includes this statement from FDA to Merck: “You have committed to conduct a study in collaboration with the Norwegian Government, if GARDASIL ® is approved in the European Union and the Government of Norway incorporates HPV vaccination into its national guidelines, to assess the impact of HPV vaccination on the following in Norway:
    e) The interaction between administration of GARDASIL ® and pregnancy outcomes, especially congenital anomalies, by linking the vaccination registry with the Medical Birth Registry.”


    25. Whether Gardasil is excreted in human milk
    According to product information studies have not been carried out. (2)



    26. The complete list of ingredients
    Unbelievable though it may seem, Merck does not know the complete composition of Gardasil.
    Unexpected vaccine ingredients have been revealed from time to time. Investigations may be carried out by independent research workers as there is no incentive for manufacturers to search for substances in their products which might be detrimental to health.
    Discoveries have been made long after vaccines have been marketed. These include the SV40 (suspected of causing cancer) in polio vaccines, pig DNA in retrovirus vaccines, cytomegaloviruses and the recent discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA in Gardasil, the consequences of which are unknown and may be horrific.
    SaneVax: ”If Merck and Co., Inc. and the FDA knew small quantities of residual recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments remain in Gardasil, why do marketing and information packets from around the world specifically state the vaccine contains ‘no viral DNA?”

    It is reasonable to assume that the vaccine would not have gained approval had the manufacturers informed the authorities of the presence of the aluminum bound gene manipulated DNA due to potential health risks (27)

    27. Whether possible benefits outweigh the risks
    When Merck and other promoters know so little about the vaccine it is impossible for the risks to be weighed against possible benefits. Consequently, there are no grounds whatsoever on which safety may be evaluated.


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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Yes I can see it, the last post on that page is yours. Sis, I posted articles from Doctors who know their stuff. Not being a Doctor myself, you cannot ask me to give you the specific data you request. However, you can deduce that the Doctors who wrote the articles I posted - did not come to their conclusions willy nilly, but thru a sound process, one which you yourself are willing to do...

    ...You don't have to accept what I have posted, all I'm saying is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the pharma industry is a joke where they laugh longest and hardest, while babies cry til they sometimes die.

    Scimi
    The page can't load properly and I see the safes on it have left. The original article was posted by a psychologist and others by one whose opinion is orphan and debunked in the medical community. I have shown what accepted peer reviewed research looks like and how we interpret data. There's nothing more I can impart in shaa Allah those who browse or are lurking can make an intelligent decision. By law in medicine we are required to display risks and benefit and the patient or parent in this case can make up their mind whether a .05% risk of anaphylaxis for instance is worth their child's death from complications of contracting a particular virus.. My main concern is with those who make haram what Allah swt made halal not whether of not you've convinced me with third party quotes

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    That meant to say sages I really hate how the forum pages aren't working and I can't even edit so that it makes sense I am typing from the phone

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال View Post
    However, I do have a bachelors, masters and a doctorate which means a higher education affording me a chance to understand how science works vs. how movies are made (don't know how those are made either) but apparently they're quite convincing considering.
    Ukhti, You can afford a chance to understand how science works, yet, a psychologist cannot afford a chance to understand how science works? Be fair here come on. Aisha Hamdan actually has a PhD in Phsychology AND a BA in Islamic studies. The Next article posted was by Dr. A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM who is also a Spokesman for the Islamic Medical Association in the UK. He is a Medical doctor who is also capable of understanding how science works, since apparently the rest of us are incompetent. >_>

    format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال View Post
    The original article was posted by a psychologist and others by one whose opinion is orphan and debunked in the medical community.
    If you haven't made yourself a name like they have, then why discredit them? They are perfectly capable of understanding the things you do, and both being Muslim, they did the CORRECT thing and looked beyond science, they place Islam first, not their academics from what I can see. They didn't stick with just the lopsided science we have now. Science and religion were separated in or around the 1700's, when we entered the material age full fledged. Before then, science and religion were together, as they should be.

    format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال View Post
    By law in medicine we are required to display risks and benefit and the patient or parent in this case can make up their mind whether a .05% risk of anaphylaxis for instance is worth their child's death from complications of contracting a particular virus..
    Doctors, myself included, learn a lot about diseases in medical school, but we learn very little about vaccines, other than the fact that the FDA and pharmaceutical companies do extensive research on vaccines to make sure they are safe and effective. We don't review the research ourselves. We never learn what goes into making vaccines or how their safety is studied. We trust and take it for granted that the proper researchers are doing their jobs. So, when patients want a little more information about shots, all we can really say as doctors is that the diseases are bad and the shots are good. But we don't know enough to answer all of your detailed questions about vaccines. Nor do we have the time during regular health checkup to thoroughly discuss and debate the pros and cons of vaccines - Dr. Robert W Sears, MD
    ^^Dr.Sears is NOT anti-vaccine by the way and is one of the most well known pediatricians in the U.S.

    format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال View Post
    My main concern is with those who make haram what Allah swt made halal not whether of not you've convinced me with third party quotes


    MMR- sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin (in most cases porcine derived), sorbitol, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
    phosphate dibasic, human albumin, sodium bicarbonate, potassium
    phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate dibasic,
    neomycin, bovine calf serum, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human
    diploid lung fibroblasts, MRC-5 cells

    zoster- sucrose, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
    phosphate dibasic, potassium phosphate monobasic, neomycin, potassium
    chloride, residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and
    protein, bovine calf serum

    The ingredients alone are clearly haraam, no scholar needs to say this. All Muslims know that pork is haraam, abortion is haraam, slaughtered cow that is not slaughtered according to islamic law is haraam. There's loads more ingredients that are being overlooked here, just using two vaccines as an example. These are basic understanding we should all have as muslims. We all know these things are haraam so then? Look at every single vaccine and the ingredients list from the CDC
    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf


    In the US Alone every baby under the age of 1 gets 26 doses of this junk, that is just in year one. That is assault. As I have said before, this isn't about the doctors themselves, or the scientists, in fact, we have scientist who have sued merk, a big manufacturer for vaccines for being dishonest. This is a shady business.


    In the complaint, the scientists outline in great detail exactly how Merck manipulated the efficacy results in order to be able to say they had a 95% effective vaccine so that they could meet the fairytale goal of vaccine-induced “herd immunity by 2010.” Well, it turns out that the vaccine could not meet the goal that CDC projected to eradicate mumps by 2010, BECAUSE the vaccine, in its current state cannot reliably confer immunity, and is in fact a dilute version of what it once was when Maurice Hilleman invented it using the virus of his five year old daughter. The same viral mumps strain has been in use in every mumps or MMR vaccine Merck has made since 1967.
    http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/25/scientists-sue-merck-allege-fraud-mislabeling-and-false-certificaion-of-mmr-vaccine-suzanne-humphries-md/


    This opens up another can of worms.

    - cOsMiC
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    A psychologist isn't a psychiatrist even one is a PhD and the other an MD. be that as it may, I am not toting around an MD in anesthesiology while commenting extensively on orthopedics. Surely you can see where that would be absurd for even an anesthesiologist spends their time in the OR to comment, everyone is best suited to their fields of expertise. We're talking a woman who should be concerned with psychoanalysis not an egg allergy.
    No one has brought anything substantive to the table and it worries me truly what you deem scientific or research... since by its very nature should be free from bias and personal opinion or agenda. That in and of itself is a confounder.
    Like I said what you believe and I emphasize the term isn't what concerns me. What concerns me is that someone interested in Islam lurking there waiting to see what this religion is about and is in turn met with conspiracy theories, frank ignorance and almost a form of intellectual and religious bullying of what Allah swt made halal.

    If you want to make vaccines and medications and doctors and 'big pharma co.' into some sort of monstrosity with a global agenda looking to feed on your brains and that is of your kids it is your business and your right-- It is my privilege however to counter that with sound knowledge, and I believe several people on this thread have done that successfully. They've obviously taken a leave due to the redundancy and almost crusade like charge to sway public opinion. It has failed and keeps failing and you should look to the reasons why..
    BTW if you desire to make pilgrimage you'll have to have certain vaccines which also change to those above a certain age i.e 65 since they're susceptible to a whole other set.. so try to convince the entire Islamic council from making haram those recommendations which are otherwise mandatory during pilgrimage since you're not only endangering you life and your offspring but an entire population of pilgrims.

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    Again can neither quote, edit or open all the pages so hopefully the technical bugs can be fixed in sha Allah..
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn View Post
    Ukhti, You can afford a chance to understand how science works, yet, a psychologist cannot afford a chance to understand how science works? Be fair here come on. Aisha Hamdan actually has a PhD in Phsychology AND a BA in Islamic studies. The Next article posted was by Dr. A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM who is also a Spokesman for the Islamic Medical Association in the UK. He is a Medical doctor who is also capable of understanding how science works, since apparently the rest of us are incompetent. >_>
    Dunno why you're bringing up Islamic qualifications, since they don't really mean anything in this context. They could have all the Islamic studies degrees in the world, and it would't affect how much science/medicine they could understand.

    Also, as I mentioned in my last post (which you might wanna read), one or two articles are almost never enough to take down an entire field of study, especially when most others in that field have dismissed and proven those opposing views false.

    You can't think of it like religion.

    format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn View Post
    If you haven't made yourself a name like they have, then why discredit them?
    You don't honestly think that someone is more trustworthy because they've built a name for themselves, do you?

    Also I'm having trouble understanding something... Isn't the general view of the members here that we should listen to scholars on issues we don't understand, and typically go with the majority after they've done their research and come up with a result? Is there a reason why you guys don't feel that way about non religious subjects?
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    I'm not sure if leaving this thread open will lead to someone refusing to take a vaccine that could save their life. FYI, neither Islamicboard nor any of its moderators are affiliated with major pharmaceutical companies.

    It's hard to believe some of the things on this thread, and the use or misuse of Ahadith. Guys, it's really stretching things to argue that medication with porcine or simian extracts transforms humans into pigs and apes respectively.

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    and the use or misuse of Ahadith
    This is the part that I find most bothersome. No Islamic council has issued such a fatwa, and preventing people from taking vaccines especially elderly on their way to pilgrimage (which is made mandatory btw) in my book is almost criminal. Yes I know Saudi Arabia is evil, as I have come to learn or late amongst other things.. I honestly can't believe my eyes of what I am reading!
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by Na'imah View Post
    A list of vaccines and their ingredients:

    (www)(dot)cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

    A list of TOXIC substances:

    toxtown.nlm.nih.gov/text_version/chemicals.php?id=1
    I haven't the time to go after every post individually but will give an example with this one, of what is grossly wrong with lay people interpreting medical data.
    The sister here lists for us 'vaccine ingredients' - she decided then to google the ingredient acetone, she links us to another page on the NIH to cement the kind of authority her later 'research' wields..acetone oh my God that's nail polish remover.
    but did she bother for instance to also equally google that acetone is an endogenous ketone water soluble and naturally found in the body? Or do you also wish to question God why he would create in us such fatty acids to be broken down for energy?

    I can do this for every ingredient and every article you bring and repeat and re-post.. so do we really want to go down that path?
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    A psychologist isn't a psychiatrist even one is a PhD and the other an MD. be that as it may, I am not toting around an MD in anesthesiology while commenting extensively on orthopedics. Surely you can see where that would be absurd for even an anesthesiologist spends their time in the OR to comment, everyone is best suited to their fields of expertise.
    I pointed out their fields because you stated that because of your higher level of education, you can afford to understand science better, read research papers such as the one you showed here etc. So, Regardless of their fields of expertise, they can also afford to understand science better, just like you can. Your field isn't immunology correct? So, you choose pro-vaccination based on your understanding. The Doctors, regardless of their field, can choose to be against vaccinations based on their understanding. Nobody should follow anybody blindly without question.

    What concerns me is that someone interested in Islam lurking there waiting to see what this religion is about and is in turn met with conspiracy theories, frank ignorance and almost a form of intellectual and religious bullying of what Allah swt made halal.
    They are only theories when there is no fact to back them up. Here's just an example,

    Fact: medical Research is funded by Banks.
    http://www.bnpparibas.com/en/about-us/corporate-philanthropy/bnp-paribas-foundation
    http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=09B36896-0BE9-56D4-8151-7BE22D89B2E2

    Banks are all ribah based as we all know.

    “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who consumes ribaa, the one who pays it, the one who writes it down and the two who witness it. He said they are all the same.” (Narrated by Muslim).


    Before anyone puts words in my mouth, let me just say that I understand ribah is just about inevitable now a days. I've mentioned many times now that this isn't a personal attack against doctors and those who spend their lives studying medicine, not at all. However, it cannot be denied that money runs the show, ribah runs the show and therefore we must question it and not follow it blindly. If you all actually take the time to read the information provided, instead of dismissing it because it comes from what you all consider to be ignoramuses, you all would see what is actually being said here. Instead of splitting apart we should come together, and those of you with medical knowledge can help, for instance to understand medical terminology a bit more, and you yourselves should be a bit more humble and open up to understanding the other side of the coin/ a different perspective, but instead it is all taken personal and so therefore all the information ignored, or broken apart to show weak points. lame.


    I'm not going to waste my time any further and continue on a circle, when it's clear you all haven't taken the time to reflect upon what has been said here, only to point out things you don't agree with. At least us layman don't trust anyone blindly. Personally, I question every book I read and trace where their information comes from. If it is one sided I read the other side or the argument as well. That is how I made the decision to not vaccinate. None of you who are studying medicine or what have you, have brought anything decent to the table asides your personal opinions.

    If you want to make vaccines and medications and doctors and 'big pharma co.' into some sort of monstrosity with a global agenda looking to feed on your brains and that is of your kids it is your business and your right--
    For the 4th time now I say, this is NOT about doctors themselves, medical students etc. So stop making it personal, because ultimately that is what is happening here. This is about where we stand in time, the bigger picture. Nobody is looking to feed on anyone's brains as far as I know. This is all about how to make the bigger buck is all. These people don't care about anyone, they care about money and we were warned about this. Yet medical doctors according to you "take an oath". To whom??

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn View Post

    I pointed out their fields because you stated that because of your higher level of education, you can afford to understand science better, read research papers such as the one you showed here etc. So, Regardless of their fields of expertise, they can also afford to understand science better, just like you can. Your field isn't immunology correct? So, you choose pro-vaccination based on your understanding. The Doctors, regardless of their field, can choose to be against vaccinations based on their understanding. Nobody should follow anybody blindly without question.
    It is a faulty analogy. Firstly as I am not loaning my expertise to an area completely outside my sphere, nor am I favoring a field of study over another or suggesting that one field is superior to another. I am merely pointing out that her chosen field is psychology and she has a PhD -It isn't an MD- they follow a completely different course . Secondly though I have had extensive training in immunology, epidemiology and research not by choice just where I found myself working I am still not writing articles from a personal interest nothing pro or against vaccinations and in fact conceded as much to ABZ when he requested my research. I told him where my research was concentrated. I didn't quote third party sources nor populate defunct articles and labeled it 'research'- rather what I have done and what anyone else can do really with what is presented here is point out the error therein such as with the very last post I wrote (above)!



    They are only theories when there is no fact to back them up. Here's just an example,
    Incorrect, the mere fact that something is physically given and effects are seen means it has made it past the theoretical to experimental.

    Fact: medical Research is funded by Banks.
    This is an odd segue whether or not research is funded by a bank, a good Samaritan, public funds or the govt. isn't important. What matters is finding cures, or preventative vaccines to the things that plague humanity. Or at least sparing someone the ills of casting doubt upon their character or religiosity for resorting to medications or vaccines. If you managed to avoid getting sick more power to you and what a great blessing. That is not the case for the majority of people in the world of whom 70% live below poverty lines and where death from diseases like Rota virus could be easily avoided but to further suggest that they should simply die because it is fate and you've made this into a haram and that into a haram isn't compatible with Islamic beliefs. Not compatible whatsoever-- Frankly I find it cruel & vile & completely deviant from aqeedah!



    Before anyone puts words in my mouth, let me just say that I understand ribah is just about inevitable now a days. I've mentioned many times now that this isn't a personal attack against doctors and those who spend their lives studying medicine, not at all. However, it cannot be denied that money runs the show, ribah runs the show and therefore we must question it and not follow it blindly. If you all actually take the time to read the information provided, instead of dismissing it because it comes from what you all consider to be ignoramuses, you all would see what is actually being said here. Instead of splitting apart we should come together, and those of you with medical knowledge can help, for instance to understand medical terminology a bit more, and you yourselves should be a bit more humble and open up to understanding the other side of the coin/ a different perspective, but instead it is all taken personal and so therefore all the information ignored, or broken apart to show weak points. lame.
    Again the concept of ribba has nothing to do with the topic, nor is blindness appropriately applied in this situation. True blindness is taking selective truths and making it into something which it isn't..
    And I wouldn't be so quick to judge anyone's personal experience, paupers or doctors alike as they're often not mutually exclusive!
    Anyone can easily concoct some truth about you in the time you sat at home and became queen bee for some guy to support you & your kid financially so you'd have the luxury to google metered dose facts, others were scraping, running on three hour sleep, taking all sorts of abuses with pennies in their pocket and generally missing out on life and still have nothing to show for it in the end. So as your friend a couple of posts down suggests, who is really being condescending? No one needs to sprawl their life out for your satisfaction nor is there any dignity in that!

    I'm not going to waste my time any further and continue on a circle, when it's clear you all haven't taken the time to reflect upon what has been said here, only to point out things you don't agree with. At least us layman don't trust anyone blindly. Personally, I question every book I read and trace where their information comes from. If it is one sided I read the other side or the argument as well. That is how I made the decision to not vaccinate. None of you who are studying medicine or what have you, have brought anything decent to the table asides your personal opinions.
    It is apparently only clear to your clique.. we're not talking the ladies home journal here or entertainment tonight or youtube. We are talking entire institutions & dedicated physicians who spend their life in the pursuit of science!
    And I find it rather unfair that you suggest that we haven't brought anything decent to the table. I don't think you bother read other that what the few of you post to pat each other on the back for a similar opinion. Zaria, truestranger, Rhubarb, tyrion, pathos, Muezzin and myself have been rebutting you articles every step of the way. Should we be faulted for you disliking content?
    Worst than not reading is frank dishonesty, such as with the sister with similar agenda to yours who posts something as a 'toxic' substance and yet fails to disclose that it is also a naturally occurring compound in the body.
    Would you not consider that equally haram to making what is lawful haram especially when she alleges that she knew that all along and that the rest of us are being condescending as if having a valid assessment of the situation is some sort of crime.



    For the 4th time now I say, this is NOT about doctors themselves, medical students etc. So stop making it personal, because ultimately that is what is happening here. This is about where we stand in time, the bigger picture. Nobody is looking to feed on anyone's brains as far as I know. This is all about how to make the bigger buck is all. These people don't care about anyone, they care about money and we were warned about this. Yet medical doctors according to you "take an oath". To whom??

    - cOsMiC
    No one is looking to make the big bucks off you and if vaccines are offered free to the underprivileged it isn't because they're being experimented on. As it seems there's no winning the direction taken, 'big pharma' is making med or surgical instruments at the end of the day the receiving & giving end of things is a human being .. thus I honestly don't know who 'they' that you speak of? Institutions are made of people. I think you're the one who is taking it personally.
    I take alot of crap on and off screen from people and yet it wouldn't deter me nor make me cower from posting or saying it as it should be said. It isn't a popularity contest.. I am not looking to be liked. I am looking for transparency.


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    format_quote Originally Posted by Snowflake View Post
    The purpose of Gardasil and Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline’s HPV vaccine), according to the fuzzy logic of Big Pharma, is to prevent cervical cancer. Regardless of what the drug companies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), or your child’s physician says, not only is there no firm scientific data to support that widespread contention, but the whole concept is irrational. The vaccine has been shown to prevent precancerous changes of the cervix, but to assume that these changes will progress to cancer is dishonest and manipulative. Ninety percent of HPV infections clear up spontaneously.
    This is wrong info, sis. There is validated irrefutable scientific evidence which shows that cervical dysplasia (carcinoma in-situ) has a significantly higher chances of converting into a malignant cancer. HPV vaccine prevents malignant cervical cancer by keeping away HPV infections.

    "In postlicensure safety surveillance for the quadrivalent HPV vaccine, 6.2% of all reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) described serious adverse events, including neurologic injury (eg, Guillain-Barré syndrome) and 32 reports of death. In comparison with other vaccines, rates of most of these adverse events were no greater than the background rates, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events."


    1. Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, et al. Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. JAMA. Aug 19 2009;302(7):750-7. [Medline].

    And we are not talking about mandatory vaccination here, these HPV vaccines are for sexually active women (which is haram in Islam outside marriage). We are talking about vaccination to babies.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by CosmicPathos View Post
    This is wrong info, sis. There is validated irrefutable scientific evidence which shows that cervical dysplasia (carcinoma in-situ) has a significantly higher chances of converting into a malignant cancer. HPV vaccine prevents malignant cervical cancer by keeping away HPV infections.

    "In postlicensure safety surveillance for the quadrivalent HPV vaccine, 6.2% of all reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) described serious adverse events, including neurologic injury (eg, Guillain-Barré syndrome) and 32 reports of death. In comparison with other vaccines, rates of most of these adverse events were no greater than the background rates, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events."


    1. Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, et al. Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. JAMA. Aug 19 2009;302(7):750-7. [Medline].
    You should tackle the rubella one next, it will be good study material for you because it often shows up on the boards... and also because I am too lazy to do it
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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    The thing about the HPV vaccine is it doesn't cover all strains but a few including the three strains which may progress to carcinoma but the other strains that don't progress to cancer are NOT a walk in the park either ..
    not cancer but certainly ugly to have and not without its problems
    local or otherwise
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    either way I don't care much for the HPV vaccine or that recombinant flu one but the childhood stuff is a necessity in my opinion...

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    Re: Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

    format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال View Post


    I haven't the time to go after every post individually but will give an example with this one, of what is grossly wrong with lay people interpreting medical data.
    The sister here lists for us 'vaccine ingredients' - she decided then to google the ingredient acetone, she links us to another page on the NIH to cement the kind of authority her later 'research' wields..acetone oh my God that's nail polish remover.
    but did she bother for instance to also equally google that acetone is an endogenous ketone water soluble and naturally found in the body? Or do you also wish to question God why he would create in us such fatty acids to be broken down for energy?

    I can do this for every ingredient and every article you bring and repeat and re-post.. so do we really want to go down that path?
    Must you be so condescending? I didn't need to Google, "...that acetone is an endogenous ketone..." as I'm already aware of that fact. I also didn't Google the ingredient, "acetone." I did a search for a list of known toxic substances.

    I may not have all the degrees that you do, but I am, in fact, a very intelligent person (IQ 140.) A degree is no indication of intelligence. You may think I'm an ignorant "layperson," but you don't know me and I think it's very insulting for you to imply that I'm somehow less intelligent than you. Oh, wait! "Oh my God! She has a bachelor's, master's, and a doctorate degree!" Oh yeah, you must be so much smarter than me!

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