Just finished watching the following video, and was wondering how can the Ummah return to a quest for scientific/technological research and experimentation. What do you think of establishing and promoting Islamic based scientific libraries and laps in the Muslim world. Houses of wisdom where knowledge is stored, translated, researched, shared and improved upon.
I believe the legacy the Muslims left behind, is all around us today bro... just, upgraded.
As for the Ummah returning to a quest for scientific / techy research... well, I highly doubt that the western agenda makers will let that fruit. They've already established "systems" which make it very difficult, if not impossible for Muslims to rise to a position of importance in the modern age and on a global platform.
I do understand your point, but we can't really allow what the enemies of Allah swt plan and do to deter us from doing what we need to. Allah swt says in the Qur'an;
If you are visited with good fortune it vexes them, and if an evil afflicts you, they rejoice at it.
Yet if you are patient and God‑fearing, their evil designs will not harm you in any way; God encompasses the things they do. (3:120)
From what I know, there are universities in the Muslim world which teach what we mentioned above. What I want to know is, what curriculums they follow.
You see bro Al Mufarridun, when I studied the scientific method, I understood that the modern method is based of Al Haythm's model (A very intellectual Muslim scientist). Ibn Al haythm refuted the former method, which Ptolemy had established. The world accepted the new method and science really flourished...
...but with the advent of Darwinism, we have inevitably reverted back to the Ptolemy method, which are full of kufr and shirk concepts. yet they claim that they still adhere to the Al Haythm method. Pfft.
What we need to determine first is, whether the universities in Muslim countries stay strict on the Al Haythm model or if they are lax and compromise the method because the curriculum they use (borrowed from western uni's) is just not sound enough and therefore Allah's help won't come?
Unfortunately the Muslims are very divided across the globe, we need a unifying force within the Ummah, and I don't know what that is. The 'Golden Age' will never be surpassed nor sadly emulated. It's true that what they've given us is still in force today, without the 'Golden Age' the modern world would be something completley different.
I agree with the brother that the Dajjalistic West will try to suppress any Islamic innovation in Science and Techonology. Politically and religiosly the West would want to suppress Islam and Islamists.
However, having said that the Muslims do not need any political alliances to move ahead in Scientific and Technological innovations. Young academic people can get together and make progress with themselves scientifically. They just need a network of good highly educated people.
format_quote Originally Posted by Al-Mufarridun
What do you think of establishing and promoting Islamic based scientific libraries and laps in the Muslim world. Houses of wisdom where knowledge is stored, translated, researched, shared and improved upon.
This would be ideal, like the days of old when the Europeans came to Muslim countries to be educated in Science and Astronomy etc.
In my opinion our priority should not be this "scientific/technological" advancement but rather to return to the knowledgable state the ummah was in during the time of our Prophet pbuh. That is the true golden age of Islam, not the "advancements" in technologies etc. The advancement in technology however was a result of the knowledgable state of the Ummah.
The 'Golden Age' will never be surpassed nor sadly emulated.
Well, there is one more golden age to come where Muslim rule will conquer all. What that rule entails is up for speculation to some degree, however - with regard to shariah - it will be established.
Hence, when Hulk mentioned the knowledgeable state of the Ummah in the previous post (above), I believe we will get that chance at that time.
But before that time, the Muslims will face the greatest trials any people have ever faced on this earth. The trials of masih ud Dajjal.
Anyway, that's neither here nor there at the moment. The Muslim world has left behind a legacy that can never be ignored. Even if we contribute nothing more to the scientific world, we would have still done more than any people previous or since.
We can hold our heads up high and walk with confidence. When I engage in debate with non Muslim on other forums, I often find the convo coming back to the very misplaced idea that the Muslim world was barbaric When I prove to the people I debate with that we had soap when they didn't even bathe regularly in the northen countries - they very quickly shut their traps. but I'm relentless, and I produce evidence after evidence after evdidence... until some wise guy says "So, what are the Muslims doing today then? what have they contributed to the modern era in todays day and age?"
I reply back with: "The modern day and age is making advancements in technology and science, mainly in the field of warfare, both intellectual, spiritual, subliminal and physical... Muslims will not engage in that kind of regressive technology which damages human civilisation, unlike the nations you admire... now tell me, who seems more barbaric in the modern age now?"
let's not forget, thety've been unable to prove that anyArab nation has nukes. And if any Muslim nation like Pakistan has nukes, we know where they came from (cue USA).
From what I know, there are universities in the Muslim world which teach what we mentioned above. What I want to know is, what curriculums they follow.
You see bro Al Mufarridun, when I studied the scientific method, I understood that the modern method is based of Al Haythm's model (A very intellectual Muslim scientist). Ibn Al haythm refuted the former method, which Ptolemy had established. The world accepted the new method and science really flourished...
...but with the advent of Darwinism, we have inevitably reverted back to the Ptolemy method, which are full of kufr and shirk concepts. yet they claim that they still adhere to the Al Haythm method. Pfft.
What we need to determine first is, whether the universities in Muslim countries stay strict on the Al Haythm model or if they are lax and compromise the method because the curriculum they use (borrowed from western uni's) is just not sound enough and therefore Allah's help won't come?
plausible?
Just thinking aloud here bro
Scimi
That is the reason why I open this thread bro, how can we establish and promote such centers which are Islamic based. To be honest with you, if we did take the time and pursue this, we would with the help of Allah swt once again clarify and purify these sciences, move them from these 'theories' to concrete truths through the Islamic Scientific method pioneered by Ibn Al-Haytham and other great scholars.
The key ingredient which gives us the edge is Tawheed, the Unity of God. Allah swt says in the Qur'an; "Had there been any gods in the heavens and the earth apart from Allah, the order of both the heavens and the earth would have gone to ruins. Glory be to Allah, the Lord of the Throne, Who is far above their false descriptions of Him." (21:22) We know that there is unity and harmony in all that is found in the universe, from the cosmic to the sub-atomic.
Who has created the seven heavens one above another, you can see no fault in the creations of the Most Beneficent. Then look again: "Can you see any rifts?"
Then look again and yet again, your sight will return to you in a state of humiliation and worn out.(67:3-4)
To be honest brother, I have not given it much thought. I resigned myself to the idea that the golden age will njot be established until the appointed term has arrived, ie: the Mahdi AS is ruling as Caliph.
However, you've made me think about something else too. Foundations. What I think you are asking for is the establishment of a sound, Islamic curriculum which adhere's to the Al Haythm model without erring, and insha'Allah, taking the modern scientific dribble (ala evo and ToE) and totally turning those on their heads.
If we can establish that, then the world at large will see another controversy, one they've tried to hide from us for over 100 years now... the con that is atheism.
I believe that a foundation needs to be established, and though I haven't given it much thought (admittedly), I'd like to read the suggestions of others.
Scimi
EDIT: a worrying thought that could possibly put a spanner in the works of this idea, is the very fact that the Muslim nations are in turmoil today. With no centralised Islamic governing body (Caliphate) we are weakened beyond a measure, at no point in history have the Muslims been so weak and divided.
Come to think of it, I don't want to sound like a downer, but we got bigger fish to fry before we determine how to set up a foundation for Islamically sound scientific and technological advancements.
For some inspiration though, (since i dropped a bomb in my edit above) I give you the following videos from a playlist on my channel, which may help some of us to feel the zeal to move forward despite the world being against us:
And these too (17 vdeos in this playlist, it's really good):
I've started another thread in the world affairs section titled; Future of the Ummah - Coming Golden Age, once it gets approved by moderators we can discuss the matter of re-establishing the Khilafah there Insha'Allah.
when i went to university the final year included a project.
research or practice based.
these projects were often related to ongoing research done by the university.
so i have to ask what is the problem?
even some posts blaming the west... when in reality... any teaching institution has the knowledge base and manpower to at least research whatever it wants.
?
the problem is not the man holding us back, it is the intention by which we move forward.
i mean sure polymer scientists and mechanics students could develop road surfaces resistant to tempreture change and wear..
sell it to the west and pave the road for further projects... *i hope some of you laughed*
but i guess its an ideal and a strategy that is not fitting with most peoples world view.
i mean you people know that the knowledge of islam was taken up by the west.
but in my eyes it is better to want to rebuild what was lost then destroy what is already present.
the blame game is one for mugs.
i mean the wicked west is not a land full of zombies, the moment you see it as such.. then you might as well only read every other ayah.
Ibn Al Haytham made these discoveries while under house arrest. Many Islamic scholars actually wrote most of their works while imprisoned. So progress in most cases isn't reached with ease, but by enduring hardships, going against resistance while patiently persevering.
So bro Al Mufarridun, would you like us to discuss the possibility of re-establishing a Caliphate first, before we move onto the subject of Islamic sciences and the advancement of the Muslim nations in regard to contributing to the tech/science market places?
Makes sense bro.
From experience, I try to stay out of the Establishment of Caliphate threads on forums, but in this case, I think I will make an exception.
So bro Al Mufarridun, would you like us to discuss the possibility of re-establishing a Caliphate first, before we move onto the subject of Islamic sciences and the advancement of the Muslim nations in regard to contributing to the tech/science market places?
Makes sense bro.
From experience, I try to stay out of the Establishment of Caliphate threads on forums, but in this case, I think I will make an exception.
Scimi
Yes, i was hoping the mods would approve the new thread so we could move that discussion over there, since as you pointed out, these type of discussions tend to get heated.
BTW, I see the need for advancing in these fields as a integral part of the re-establishment of the Khilafah. We'll discuss this futher Insha'Allah.
...but with the advent of Darwinism, we have inevitably reverted back to the Ptolemy method, which are full of kufr and shirk concepts. yet they claim that they still adhere to the Al Haythm method. Pfft.
In Indonesia where embrace religion is obligated and atheism is against the law, science is not allowed to separated from religion. So, we cannot accept kufr concept in science. If we learn evolution, it's not because we blindy follow Darwin, but because we see something that should be learned. Darwin theory about human is only become a joke among people.
format_quote Originally Posted by Abu Loren
I agree with the brother that the Dajjalistic West will try to suppress any Islamic innovation in Science and Techonology. Politically and religiosly the West would want to suppress Islam and Islamists.
West will prevent technology that can threat their safety, like nuclear bomb. But they do not prevent Muslims to invent and develop other technologies. Muslim can invent and develop something, but unfortunately Muslim people have less of appreciation to Muslim scientist. This is why there are numbers of Muslims scientist who prefer to work for the West that appreciate them better.
I remember watching a program years back talking about Indonesia's strong aircraft manufacturing industry. How is it doing now? How is the quality and the range of aircraft that are made in the country?
The problem with this example (Indonesia) is that they are manufacturing new products using technology that is already currently on the market, and scientific breakthru's that were not discovered by Muslims - what we were discussing was NEW TECHNOLOGY, and NEW SCIENCE, which we don't see Muslims bringing to the world... when was the last time a Muslim got the noble prize for something that contributed to the advancement of beneficial technology? or a break through in science?
Defining the examples in context, within this discussion will be key, i think.
best question to ask will be "what have the Muslims invented in the past 100 years?" anyone say IED's i will bite your head off
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When I prove to the people I debate with that we had soap when they didn't even bathe regularly in the northen countries - they very quickly shut their traps. but I'm relentless, and I produce evidence after evidence after evdidence... until some wise guy says "So, what are the Muslims doing today then? what have they contributed to the modern era in todays day and age?"
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