Ashshahadu an la illa ha il Allahu
Wa Ashshahadu ana Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluh
Auzubillahi min ash-shaitani ar-rajeem
Bismillahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahmeen
In the name of Allah, The Gracious, the Merciful
We grant them their pleasure for a little while: in the end shall We drive them to a chastisement unrelenting. (31:24)
The AIDS epidemic is spreading throughout the world. Though it may seem to a be a "third world" disease, even modern Western countries like the United States of America are not immune from it. It is without a doubt a lethal and painful punishment for those who are afflicted with it. For Muslims, it is a Sign of Allah's Anger toward people who have abandoned His commandments and expectations of chastity, and who have dirtied themselves in unlawful sexual relations. It is also a fulfilment of a prophecy made by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa salam):
It never happens that permissiveness overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers. (Ibn Majah; Kitab-ul-Fitan)
hah i think there's a verse in the Bible that says something similar to quran 31:24, but i can't be for sure. i think it might be in the book of romans though, because i have been reading that lately.
For what it is worth and I don't wish to get into the moral aspects of this topic.. there are lots worst diseases out there than AIDS...
With anti-retrovial therapy risk of vertical transmission from mother to child is reduced to < 5% provided she also doesn't breast feed and the infant goes on anti-retroviral therapy for 6 weeks postnatal...
adenine deaminase deficiency is bad... Wilsons disease is bad, anencephaly is bad... let me provide a picture just to hammer in how bad!
Do I think all of these are punishment from G-D? I don't honestly believe so. I think if we have that attitude we will end up judging good decent people who were afflicated with something through no fault of their own. Afflication with disease might be a test to their faith and patience rather than a horrible chastisment for evil doing. Why don't we leave G-D's creation to G-D without judging whom we think is afflicted with a disease.. any disease as a punishment! (Da3o Al-khalq lilkhaliq) and let's be grateful for the gifts that we do have... if anything other people's afflictions should make us think of the gifts we do have. And (Alhmdlilah Alzhi 'afana mima ibtla beh ghyrona)....
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I still dont think its a punishment. Its a reminder for us to see how fortunate one is and should be content that God gave them health, hands, eyes, feet etc. For those who dont have it. But for the promiscuous...I think it is.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
hah i think there's a verse in the Bible that says something similar to quran 31:24, but i can't be for sure. i think it might be in the book of romans though, because i have been reading that lately.
Is it something about how the sins of the father will be paid for by his sons?
I'm not very fond of such an interpretation of misfortune. Blame the parents by all means when it comes to behaviour, but not necessarily for illness. To me, it's like saying, 'Your kid has Downs Syndrome because you sinned', which is a disgusting thing to say.
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Boo. Human life originated in the Middle East. Somewhere in the middle of the east. Dunno for certain exactly where.
No?
Middle East, Middle East... Isn't the 'Cradle of Civilisation' somewhere in present day Iraq/Iran? I'm pretty sure all the remnants of the earliest forms of human life were found in Africa though...
What science say doesn't hold up to religious facts.
Don't give up your day job.
I find it so sad when someone does not understand the difference between faith and facts.
Homo habilis remains are only found in Africa.
I have enough "Off Topic" posts deleted. Why don't you start another Thread?
Don't give up your day job.
I find it so sad when someone does not understand the difference between faith and facts.
Homo habilis remains are only found in Africa.
I have enough "Off Topic" posts deleted. Why don't you start another Thread?
science has changed a lot, no?
due to further discoveries i mean,
islam is my first source then science can come after that .
I know you find this strange, but i wouldnt be much of a believer if it wasnt this way...
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Don't give up your day job.
I find it so sad when someone does not understand the difference between faith and facts.
Homo habilis remains are only found in Africa.
I have enough "Off Topic" posts deleted. Why don't you start another Thread?
I had 7 + deleted for being on topic, apparently one needs to seek permission beforehand (I am accused of provoking arguments)
No consistency whatsoever (thats how it looks to me)
Don't give up your day job.
I find it so sad when someone does not understand the difference between faith and facts.
Homo habilis remains are only found in Africa.
Psh. You have faith in what you think are facts. What I believe is just as much fact to me as homo habilis is to you.
I had 7 + deleted for being on topic, apparently one needs to seek permission beforehand (I am accused of provoking arguments)
No consistency whatsoever (thats how it looks to me)
edit:
oopsie! off topic
A thread I was posting on just went away.
I had a couple deleted because they were “argumentative”. Now if they deleted all argumentative posts, the “World Affairs” and “Comparative religion” Forums would grow dust.
We grant them their pleasure for a little while: in the end shall We drive them to a chastisement unrelenting. (31:24)
I am sure the verse above is relating to punishment in Hell. No punishment on earth is unrelenting because it ends with death. It's not reasonable to pick out verses from the Quran and apply them to anything just to make a point.
Anyway we can't say AIDS is a punishment from Allah. The truth is that the virus already existed in apes. So God never designed it to punish humans. Then at some point the virus crossed over to humans.. But how? Due to humans own fault of course. It's like a mountaineer climbing without proper equipment then falling and breaking his neck. Would that be punishment from Allah or the man's own fault? I think the answer is obvious. Well I see AIDS in the same way. Humans are to blame for messing with nature and bringing the disease to themselves.
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