Ashshahadu an la illa ha il Allahu
Wa Ashshahadu ana Muhammadan abduhu wa rasuluh
Auzubillahi min ash-shaitani ar-rajeem
Bismillahi ar-Rahmani ar-Rahmeen
In the name of Allah, The Gracious, the Merciful
We grant them their pleasure for a little while: in the end shall We drive them to a chastisement unrelenting. (31:24)
The AIDS epidemic is spreading throughout the world. Though it may seem to a be a "third world" disease, even modern Western countries like the United States of America are not immune from it. It is without a doubt a lethal and painful punishment for those who are afflicted with it. For Muslims, it is a Sign of Allah's Anger toward people who have abandoned His commandments and expectations of chastity, and who have dirtied themselves in unlawful sexual relations. It is also a fulfilment of a prophecy made by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (salallahu alaihi wa salam):
It never happens that permissiveness overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers. (Ibn Majah; Kitab-ul-Fitan)
sorry to offend, i guess you didnt see that i was joking... well not really, muslims are amazingly clean in pretty much everything. Toiletry, sexual activities, even dining and sleeping, we have scientifically proven clean ways to do everything (not like we need science, it just helps show the disbelievers that God has indeed shown us the best way)
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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If is was - why would innocent babies/partners get it? Mainly babies who are sin free!? There is a revert sister who is HIV positive. Considering we believe all past sins are forgiven upon reverting, (therefore not punishable) is it feasible to think that the sister is being punished through AIDS?
Like anything else, it is a punishment for some people, and a test for others. My point was relating to the way you made it sounds like, because it originated in apes then therefore it was never meant for humans.
Exactly! And that proves it's not a punishment as it's either acquired innocently or by putting one-self at risk. It's a consequence of human actions. Just like if I play chicken and get hit by a car - consequence of my own carelessness.
How can it be 'acquired innocently' and at the same be a consequence of someone's carelessness?
And that doesn't prove that it isn't a punishment! Since when did punishment have to be self-inflicted? If that were the case then almost nothing would be punishment.
I am referring to the fact that for a virus to have crossed over from animals to humans and as yet has no cure, man has somewhere/somehow crossed the bounderies of what is ethically/morally right. Whether that was professionally or personally, I don't know. But what I am sure of is that, this is precisely the reason why mankind is now suffering.
In other words, they are being punished?? But you have been arguing the whole time that AIDS can't be a punishment!
Guys, guys. Let's remember that we as Muslims we learn about punishment. We also learn about kiffarah, that is the absolvement of repentant Muslims' sins through calamities.
We have to realize that when punishment comes from Allah, was the society heedless or obedient to Him? Based on the given verses, punishment is only when a person/society is heedless of His warnings not to transgress certain boundaries. Basically, a person is responsible for his own actions. A society is responsible for allowing abominations to occur within it. You reap what you sow.
But what about little cute babies, sinless, who contracted the disease from their parents? I can't find the hadith (I am glad if someone can put forth) but as far as I remember it, Rasulullah once visited an old man suffering from high fever, and the Prophet told him not to worry for it is kiffarah and if he is patient about it his sins will be forgiven. The same can be applied to little babies. I read somewhere about how children below the baligh & mumayyiz age (not yet understand between right and wrong) dying and are considered as shaheed (martyr, granted entry to Paradise).
A secular person's mentality is that everything ends with death. As Muslims I think it is time we get rid of this and realize that life really starts after that.
Same goes for calamities such as volcanoes, storms, hurricanes. A few years back a great tsunami hit the province of Acheh, Indonesia and killed thousands of people and caused great ruin to the city. Yet Acheh was known by religious Muslim Malaysians as the balcony of Makkah because it is the center for Islamic religious studies. People question whether was it a punishment from Allah. If Allah were to punish a heedless society, He would have surely rained down ruin on the center of vice instead. So why Acheh and not Las Vegas, for instance?
It is in His Wisdom that we have to trust. We must remember that there are a lot of things that we don't know. We are here for a reason, that is to worship Him. He tests us with hardship. He caused the tsunami for a lot of reasons. Maybe it was to stabilize our changing environment. Maybe it is te result of our own doing, our pollution and destroying the environment. Maybe He wanted to grant those people who drowned a direct entry to Paradise. Or maybe He wanted to punish them for secret vices that we don't know about. Ultimately, it is in His knowledge, and we are given only a little to know.
What do we, as Muslims, have to do about it? AIDS is sufferable by young and old people, babies, people who accidently got transfused with tainted blood, prostitutes, pious repentant Muslims with dark past, generally anyone. Discussing about other people's sins isn't going to bring us anywhere. It won't make Muslims rich, it won't make us powerful enough to spread da'wah across the globe. I think it is time we stop discussing whose sins are causing AIDS and work together to develop a cure. In the meantime we can educate people about having healthy married life and saying no to promiscuity. That way we as Muslims can become as progressive as we are told to become, as in the Quran.
Like anything else, it is a punishment for some people, and a test for others. My point was relating to the way you made it sounds like, because it originated in apes then therefore it was never meant for humans.
So babies are either being tested or punished? :blind:
How can it be 'acquired innocently' and at the same be a consequence of someone's carelessness?
lol is my English that bad? I said, "And that proves it's not a punishment as it's EITHER acquired innocently OR by putting one-self at risk." How can that be interpreted as you took it?
And that doesn't prove that it isn't a punishment! Since when did punishment have to be self-inflicted? If that were the case then almost nothing would be punishment.In other words, they are being punished?? But you have been arguing the whole time that AIDS can't be a punishment!
I said, "but I believe SOME of what happens to mankind is self-inflicted.
Don't you agree that sometimes we ourselves are responsible for what happens to us? Because if you think AIDS is a punishment and has nothing to do with our actions then you're saying babies are being punished for not having done anything at all!! That doesn't even begin to make sense.
It's like Hell is a place of punishment. The punishment is there, it exists. But it's the result of our own actions that we bring that punishment upon ourselves. That is what I am saying about AIDS. It exists, but humans have brought it upon themselves.
Even so, some people are immune to HIV, even if their partner has it..
I saw a news story on that. Women were exposed to HIV/AIDS through unprotected sex over and over and NEVER developed HIV/AIDS. People from all over the world were making offers to them for some of their blood in hopes of being cured themselves.
Just wanted to add... when Allah swt destroyed 'Ad, Thamud and the People of Lut, He didn't spare anyone, not even the kids... therefore I don't think the argument that kids get AIDS too can be used to as an evidence...
Just wanted to add... when Allah swt destroyed 'Ad, Thamud and the People of Lut, He didn't spare anyone, not even the kids... therefore I don't think the argument that kids get AIDS too can be used to as an evidence...
again the People of Lut brought the punishment upon themselves. It's not like they were doing nothing wrong and Allah decided to punish them for no reason. They were responsible for their own fate. Just like humans are for bringing aids into their society and are now suffering as a result of it.
Besides, when it comes to illness, we muslims believe it is a blessing, since it expiates sins. Can we then truly say that muslims with AIDS are being punished or are they being delivered of their sins?
Also since we believe that all sins are forgiven upon reverting, is it logical to think that the sister I mentioned is being punished with AIDS - meaning her sins haven't been forgiven? It's hers or someone else's fault that she is suffering. As far as Allah is concerned, He has forgiven her.
Allah has given mankind instructions on how to live on earth. Isn't that partly to protect man from the evil that is out there? Then when man defies His laws and find himself in the midst of suffering, he has no one to blame but himself. Man is doing a pretty good job of punishing himself.
Just wanted to add... when Allah swt destroyed 'Ad, Thamud and the People of Lut, He didn't spare anyone, not even the kids... therefore I don't think the argument that kids get AIDS too can be used to as an evidence...
Sometimes I admire sister Malaikah for her brilliant posts. I do regret when it comes to we have disagreeing points.
The story of those qawm serves as reminder to us all. Which is why the Quran asks us many times, afala ta'qilun, afala yatafakkarun, will you not reflect, will you not use your intellect. But in no way we can use those verses to condemn others (of our days) that they are being punished by Allah.
'Ad, Thamud and the People of Lut were destroyed utterly that none of them remained today. However, the people of our times have done the same kinds of sins many times over. By right we should have been destroyed completely by waves of calamity. By Mercy of Allah, we still remain here for some purpose. Let us pray that it is not to lead us astray.
It is we who have take note of the warnings in those verses and take care not to repeat their mistakes and transgressions. Condemning others to hell and saying they are being punished reflects our own heedlessness to the adab that is required of us.
In December 2004 the tsunami killed many thousands.
In Indonesia, the tsunami did most damage in a place called Ache.
Ache is the province where the people have taken up arms against Indonesia so that they can have an independent state and practice sharia law.
I agree that the tsunami was punishment because the people rejected Allah’s message.
Wow, don't be so hasty there to expose your ignorance.
Different calamities have different reasons behind them.
Didn't you know that a Muslim who dies by drowning is a martyr? Straight to paradise.
Also, do not pretend to know Allah's reason for doing anything other than what He has already told us. He told us why He punished Pharoah, He didn't tell us why He causes the tsunami.
Sometimes I admire sister Malaikah for her brilliant posts. I do regret when it comes to we have disagreeing points.
lol
The story of those qawm serves as reminder to us all. Which is why the Quran asks us many times, afala ta'qilun, afala yatafakkarun, will you not reflect, will you not use your intellect. But in no way we can use those verses to condemn others (of our days) that they are being punished by Allah.
I never did, I just said that the argument that AIDS is not a punishment can not be debunked based on the fact that kids get AIDS too, because there have been things that happened in the psat that we know for fact were punishments, but they didn't spare kids either.
'Ad, Thamud and the People of Lut were destroyed utterly that none of them remained today. However, the people of our times have done the same kinds of sins many times over. By right we should have been destroyed completely by waves of calamity. By Mercy of Allah, we still remain here for some purpose. Let us pray that it is not to lead us astray.
Ameen.
It is we who have take note of the warnings in those verses and take care not to repeat their mistakes and transgressions. Condemning others to hell and saying they are being punished reflects our own heedlessness to the adab that is required of us.
But I never said that, my point is that for some people, AIDS is a punishment, and for others it is test... like everythign else!!
Why and how aids came about is no longer a concern to any specific group. The real fact is it is now found in all groups and continues to spread. It is no longer only an STD it is transmitted in ways other than sexual contact.
A sad thing about it is that now a person can be born with it. Show no symptoms for many years and live to pass it on to a Husband or Wife unknowingly.
Why mankind was given this trial I do not know. I do not even know if it is a punishment or a gift. All I know is it is here and that we all need to do what we can to keep it in control.
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